Retro quiver spacing

Retro quiver spacing

Post by Peter » Fri, 29 Sep 2006 04:59:33


Bill,

The pull you refer to must be similar to the older rigs I use, correct?
 I never felt it to be a problem. I guess as long as the draft doesn't
float around on the sail, it is predictable in my book.

I would be curious to hear about the compaints though.  It is
interesting how everyone likes the Retro.  Never a bad word about the
sail.

Quote:

> Now that I've convinced you, you need to find someone who doesn't like
> them...to be sure you are making the right decision.

> I was chatting with someone who didn't like how much the sails pull.
> She didn't explain much to me on why she didn't like the pull beyond
> that it didn't make her feel comfortable. I loved it. I found if I
> didn't put much downhaul, the pull was outrageous (but I still liked
> it), and if I downhauled to the recommended mark, it was very
> reasonable.


> > Thanks Bill.

> > You and Bruce have done a great job of getting me to consider the
> > hucker.  I think my wife will have to get me the 5.8 for xmas.  I have
> > some older 430 cm masts, a fiberspar purple (I think) and a sailworks
> > black label carbon (24.0??)comp mast.  Hopefully they can work with
> > these sails.

 
 
 

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Post by NC/M » Fri, 29 Sep 2006 05:30:12

Hmm... how to describe the pull. When you rig the sail with a tight
leach, expect to be pulled from way up high. I would guess people can
find this disconcerting. I don't know if a certain type of sailor likes
or doesn't like this feeling -- maybe a waist vs. seat harness
difference? I don't know. I use a seat harness, and am very used
driving whatever sail vectors come my way into the board/fin. I haven't
been catapulted more than a few times each year. If someone gets
catapulted more, maybe that is what bothers them? I'm just
hypothesizing.

It is super easy to rig, but it also has an even wider wind range. This
is what really attracted me. If the wind dies, just put a slightly
larger fin on and let the downhaul out a bit. And since you are on a
smaller sail, you end up not getting as tired. Jim Mudry told me to use
a crank, but I found the 4.8 easy enough to downhaul with a simple pull
toy. Maybe if I needed to downhaul more than I did, I'd want a crank.

And to top it all off, I never expected to find the in-flight and
landing of jumps more controllable with this sail over my older
Sailworks Bravo, but man was it ever easy to control!

That's my experience so far. Nothing but love for the Hucker. ;-)

Quote:

> Bill,

> The pull you refer to must be similar to the older rigs I use, correct?
>  I never felt it to be a problem. I guess as long as the draft doesn't
> float around on the sail, it is predictable in my book.

> I would be curious to hear about the compaints though.  It is
> interesting how everyone likes the Retro.  Never a bad word about the
> sail.


> > Now that I've convinced you, you need to find someone who doesn't like
> > them...to be sure you are making the right decision.

> > I was chatting with someone who didn't like how much the sails pull.
> > She didn't explain much to me on why she didn't like the pull beyond
> > that it didn't make her feel comfortable. I loved it. I found if I
> > didn't put much downhaul, the pull was outrageous (but I still liked
> > it), and if I downhauled to the recommended mark, it was very
> > reasonable.


> > > Thanks Bill.

> > > You and Bruce have done a great job of getting me to consider the
> > > hucker.  I think my wife will have to get me the 5.8 for xmas.  I have
> > > some older 430 cm masts, a fiberspar purple (I think) and a sailworks
> > > black label carbon (24.0??)comp mast.  Hopefully they can work with
> > > these sails.


 
 
 

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Post by Cliff Fros » Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:27:02

I got a couple of Retros in about 2000, based largely on the good
reviews from people on this newsgroup.  A 6.5 and a 5.5.

But I ended up not really liking them that much.  I felt they had
too much back-hand pull.

I had been using NP sails which I really liked except for how fragile
they were.  I managed to tear through panels on the Retros also, but the
newer ones seem clearly more bomb-proof.

Now I have a variety of sails, all of which I like much better than
the old Retros: Ezzy, Aerotech, Windwing.

Now maybe I just didn't set them up right or something, and probably
(or is it prabably?) the newer ones are much improved.  I have spoken
with quite a few other folks who were not e***d by the Retros.

I would say they were clearly very good sails, just not to my personal
preference, at least in the small sizes I tried.

    Cheers,
           Cliff

Quote:

> Bill,
> The pull you refer to must be similar to the older rigs I use, correct?
>  I never felt it to be a problem. I guess as long as the draft doesn't
> float around on the sail, it is predictable in my book.
> I would be curious to hear about the compaints though.  It is
> interesting how everyone likes the Retro.  Never a bad word about the
> sail.

> > Now that I've convinced you, you need to find someone who doesn't like
> > them...to be sure you are making the right decision.

> > I was chatting with someone who didn't like how much the sails pull.
> > She didn't explain much to me on why she didn't like the pull beyond
> > that it didn't make her feel comfortable. I loved it. I found if I
> > didn't put much downhaul, the pull was outrageous (but I still liked
> > it), and if I downhauled to the recommended mark, it was very
> > reasonable.


> > > Thanks Bill.

> > > You and Bruce have done a great job of getting me to consider the
> > > hucker.  I think my wife will have to get me the 5.8 for xmas.  I have
> > > some older 430 cm masts, a fiberspar purple (I think) and a sailworks
> > > black label carbon (24.0??)comp mast.  Hopefully they can work with
> > > these sails.


 
 
 

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Post by Peter » Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:38:08

Bill,

I also use a seat harness,  which is probably why the older sails feel
fine.  A must admit that the only time a have been catapaulted lately
was when I was trying to punch through some waves and white wash and I
just was not powered up enough and the board got buried in the wave.

It seems to make sense that a tighter leech sail may be more
appropriate when you get below 6.0.  I find that range, especially in
the lulls is really important since a 5knot, or more drop in the wind,
even if it's temporary, can bring you to a screeching hault when it is
choppy.

One more thing, you gotta figure any advice by B.Peterson has to be
good and sound.  Not only does he make damn good sails; he freakin'
rips.

 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by Steven Sla » Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:21:14

Quote:

> Bill,

> The pull you refer to must be similar to the older rigs I use, correct?
>  I never felt it to be a problem. I guess as long as the draft doesn't
> float around on the sail, it is predictable in my book.

> I would be curious to hear about the compaints though.  It is
> interesting how everyone likes the Retro.  Never a bad word about the
> sail.

Retros don't fare well in rough wavy conditions on Lake Ontario. Two broken
battens from Sunday to attest to that but then again that's not what they
are designed for ;-)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ottawaws/

Choose Sandbanks - September 24th set on the right. Biggest waves reported
to be mast high out further; I saw and took picks of some in the 10 foot
range.

Steve.

 
 
 

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Post by M. Gun » Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:12:21



Quote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ottawaws/

> Choose Sandbanks - September 24th set on the right. Biggest waves reported
> to be mast high out further; I saw and took picks of some in the 10 foot
> range.

> Steve.

Always enjoy the pics!

Thanks

mo

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