Retro quiver spacing

Retro quiver spacing

Post by Peter » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:41:30


I have searched the forums but did not quite find what I was looking.
So please accept my apologize in advance for asking this question.

I currently own the following:

2006 9.0 Retro
2006 7.0 Retro
Old Sailworks 1+1 6.3, 5.3, 4.6, 4.0, 3.5

The 6.3, 5.3 and 4.6 are gettin' old.  They still work fine but I would
like to begin replacing them with Retros.

Both my wife and I share rigs.

Boards

Carve 145
Electric Rock
Challenge flex

The older boards still kick ass so I plan on keeping them until they
fall apart.

Me:
6 feet 168lbs.
Her:
5 feet 3inches 125lbs.

Should the spacing be 6.0 then 5.0, or can I go 5.5, 4.5?

Thanks in advance

 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by sailworksma » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:10:04

Peter,

Check out a Hucker 5.6 and  4.8 to compliment the larger Retro sails
you
have now.  These Hucker sizes cover the same wind range that the Retro
6.0 and 5.0 run in.  The Hucker sails are powerful, fast and very
stable and they are well suited to the old school boards you have
too.

Fair winds,

Bruce Peterson
Sailworks

Quote:

> I have searched the forums but did not quite find what I was looking.
> So please accept my apologize in advance for asking this question.

> I currently own the following:

> 2006 9.0 Retro
> 2006 7.0 Retro
> Old Sailworks 1+1 6.3, 5.3, 4.6, 4.0, 3.5

> The 6.3, 5.3 and 4.6 are gettin' old.  They still work fine but I would
> like to begin replacing them with Retros.

> Both my wife and I share rigs.

> Boards

> Carve 145
> Electric Rock
> Challenge flex

> The older boards still kick ass so I plan on keeping them until they
> fall apart.

> Me:
> 6 feet 168lbs.
> Her:
> 5 feet 3inches 125lbs.

> Should the spacing be 6.0 then 5.0, or can I go 5.5, 4.5?

> Thanks in advance


 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by NC/M » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:26:51

Well, Bruce, you just confirmed what I was thinking of doing...
replacing my 6.0 and 6.6 when the run out of life with a 5.6 Hucker. I
just had my 4.8 Hucker out. Wow what a sail. I really liked it. I used
this sail in conditions I would have considered 5.5 all the way down to
4.0. I figured the 5.6 would take me up to my 7.7 V8. Do you think this
would cover my quiver or is there still a gap between a 5.6 Hucker and
my 7.7?

I'm 65kg.

Quote:

> Peter,

> Check out a Hucker 5.6 and  4.8 to compliment the larger Retro sails
> you
> have now.  These Hucker sizes cover the same wind range that the Retro
> 6.0 and 5.0 run in.  The Hucker sails are powerful, fast and very
> stable and they are well suited to the old school boards you have
> too.

> Fair winds,

> Bruce Peterson
> Sailworks


> > I have searched the forums but did not quite find what I was looking.
> > So please accept my apologize in advance for asking this question.

> > I currently own the following:

> > 2006 9.0 Retro
> > 2006 7.0 Retro
> > Old Sailworks 1+1 6.3, 5.3, 4.6, 4.0, 3.5

> > The 6.3, 5.3 and 4.6 are gettin' old.  They still work fine but I would
> > like to begin replacing them with Retros.

> > Both my wife and I share rigs.

> > Boards

> > Carve 145
> > Electric Rock
> > Challenge flex

> > The older boards still kick ass so I plan on keeping them until they
> > fall apart.

> > Me:
> > 6 feet 168lbs.
> > Her:
> > 5 feet 3inches 125lbs.

> > Should the spacing be 6.0 then 5.0, or can I go 5.5, 4.5?

> > Thanks in advance


 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by Peter » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:27:03

Bruce,

Will the hucker 5.6 cover my current 6.1 and 5.3?
Does the hucker 4.8 cover the 5.3 and 4.6?

I figured that the hucker sail design would be similar to my older
sails (tighter leech) so it would have less range than the retros.

When you say that the sail works well for older boards as well, what do
you mean?  Does it have to do with where the fullest part of the sail
is?

Peter

Quote:

> Peter,

> Check out a Hucker 5.6 and  4.8 to compliment the larger Retro sails
> you
> have now.  These Hucker sizes cover the same wind range that the Retro
> 6.0 and 5.0 run in.  The Hucker sails are powerful, fast and very
> stable and they are well suited to the old school boards you have
> too.

> Fair winds,

> Bruce Peterson
> Sailworks


> > I have searched the forums but did not quite find what I was looking.
> > So please accept my apologize in advance for asking this question.

> > I currently own the following:

> > 2006 9.0 Retro
> > 2006 7.0 Retro
> > Old Sailworks 1+1 6.3, 5.3, 4.6, 4.0, 3.5

> > The 6.3, 5.3 and 4.6 are gettin' old.  They still work fine but I would
> > like to begin replacing them with Retros.

> > Both my wife and I share rigs.

> > Boards

> > Carve 145
> > Electric Rock
> > Challenge flex

> > The older boards still kick ass so I plan on keeping them until they
> > fall apart.

> > Me:
> > 6 feet 168lbs.
> > Her:
> > 5 feet 3inches 125lbs.

> > Should the spacing be 6.0 then 5.0, or can I go 5.5, 4.5?

> > Thanks in advance

 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by Peter » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:31:58

Bill,

Talk to me.  Please share your experiences with the sail.  Do you also
own Retros?

Peter

 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by dkri » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:22:10

Bruce -
What size Retro would you equate a 6.6 Hucker to?  My Tiga Boarder X
103 has a 7.5 recommended as the largest sail, and I've been thinking
about a 7.5 Retro but a smaller more powerful sail has obvious appeal.
I have a 6.5 Retro in fantastic shape.  Is there a ton of overlap
between 6.5 Retro and 6.6 Hucker?  How does using a Hucker influence
fin selection?  Does the Hucker like to be rigged real mast foot
forward like on old school boards?  The reason I ask is on this Boarder
X the mast track is way far back - furthest forward position is like
140cm from tail.
Thanks.
Dave
 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by sailworksma » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:23:02

Bill,

I did a slalom race this summer effectively switching between a NX 7.2
and a Hucker 5.6.  It worked well.  However 5.6 to 7.7 is a rather
broad size spacing.  I'm not saying it won't work, but you're going to
want to be prepared to make adjustments to the downhaul settings, and
probably your fin sizes too.  Using an adjustable outhaul is imperative
to effectively cover this sizing gap.

Bruce Peterson
Sailworks

Quote:

> Well, Bruce, you just confirmed what I was thinking of doing...
> replacing my 6.0 and 6.6 when the run out of life with a 5.6 Hucker. I
> just had my 4.8 Hucker out. Wow what a sail. I really liked it. I used
> this sail in conditions I would have considered 5.5 all the way down to
> 4.0. I figured the 5.6 would take me up to my 7.7 V8. Do you think this
> would cover my quiver or is there still a gap between a 5.6 Hucker and
> my 7.7?

> I'm 65kg.

 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by Craig Goudi » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:49:22

Well, My retro spacing currently goes 9.5, 6.5, 5.5.  I'm planning on an 8.0
(I currently am replacing a warn out 8.5 XT2),
 but I can make the drop to 6.5.   With Retros, and your weight
differential, I think you'd be perfect for the 6.0, 5.0 gap.
past that, I think I'd consider  4.2 Revo, or maybe even a 4.2 Hucker, and
then a 3.7, 3.2, 2.6.

I think you can definitely cover the gap 6.3, 5.3, 4.6 with a 6.0, 5.0
Retro.  Those sails are rangey.

-Craig


Quote:
>I have searched the forums but did not quite find what I was looking.
> So please accept my apologize in advance for asking this question.

> I currently own the following:

> 2006 9.0 Retro
> 2006 7.0 Retro
> Old Sailworks 1+1 6.3, 5.3, 4.6, 4.0, 3.5

> The 6.3, 5.3 and 4.6 are gettin' old.  They still work fine but I would
> like to begin replacing them with Retros.

> Both my wife and I share rigs.

> Boards

> Carve 145
> Electric Rock
> Challenge flex

> The older boards still kick ass so I plan on keeping them until they
> fall apart.

> Me:
> 6 feet 168lbs.
> Her:
> 5 feet 3inches 125lbs.

> Should the spacing be 6.0 then 5.0, or can I go 5.5, 4.5?

> Thanks in advance

 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by NC/M » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:27:28

Hi Peter,

I replaced my 5.5 Bravo (90's?) with this 4.8 Hucker. These are the
only Sailworks sails I've owned. I've sailed a huge Retro, but it
wasn't mine and I only used it once.

All my other sails are V8's. The have a huge range and I love their
stability, but I'm sold on the Huckers.

I have never felt so in control in the air on any other sail. This is
something new for me. Usually I'll jump the swell and land thinking...
that was fun, I survived (nose didn't go into the wave). With the
Hucker, I was jumping two or three in a row without feeling any worry
about control issues or the landing. Also, I think my jumps were higher
than any others I've done.

I took a few good spills learning how to duck jibe such a short boom,
but once I figured that out, I was set.

Bruce is right... switching the fin and changing downhaul settings
really affected my experience.  Oh, and I'm a fla***er sailor (no
waves for me). I like to freeride and go fast, so I'm not interested
(much) in the Hucker's ability to get you in the air. I found this to
be the fastest I've gone on any of my boards...period. I wish I had my
GPS with me to prove that statement ... sorry. At the very least, it
was the most fun I've had in high winds because I was always in control
while feeling at the limits.

Being a lightweight sailor, I love the idea of being able to use a
dramatically smaller sail than others on the water. I was sailing at
Friscowoods with a friend. He was using a ~95L board and I was shifting
between a 100L & 91L. He had a 6.3 camless Windwing and I had the 4.8
Hucker. Only rarely did I find I couldn't accelerate as fast as him --
but I think this was more because I was new to the sail. When the wind
picked up, I just downhauled more and more. I was noticably faster than
him (he was the more experienced high wind sailor). This is comparing
new to old gear, but in the past, in similar situations, the heavier
sailor (never me) ended up being the fastest person on the water.

I would love to be able to go out and spend the money for the 5.6 and
maybe the 6.6, but that will have to wait until next season or beyond.
My V8's have plenty of life left in them...and I still do like sailing
them.

Quote:

> Bill,

> Talk to me.  Please share your experiences with the sail.  Do you also
> own Retros?

> Peter

 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by Peter » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:44:35

Thanks Bill.

You and Bruce have done a great job of getting me to consider the
hucker.  I think my wife will have to get me the 5.8 for xmas.  I have
some older 430 cm masts, a fiberspar purple (I think) and a sailworks
black label carbon (24.0??)comp mast.  Hopefully they can work with
these sails.

 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by Tom Whittemor » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:12:32

Fraid my quiver is off from yours.
8.0 retro
6.5 retro
5.5 retro

5.4 revo (flat battens for wave sailing, which, BTW Bruce, this 2006
sail rocked on sunday's 22-30 wind here.)
4.8 revo
4.2 revo
3.8 revo  (a little out of place)
3.5 revo

I sail
a madd 135
f2 max2air 265 (115l)
f2 max2air 254 (90l)
rrd wave one med  (85L)
f2 wave 250 (75l)

Also I use AO on all sails.  But really only adjust while sailing on the
8.0 and 6.5.  or when the wind drops to slogging on the rest.

 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by Peter » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:27:06

Tom,

You need more gear.

Quote:

> Fraid my quiver is off from yours.
> 8.0 retro
> 6.5 retro
> 5.5 retro

> 5.4 revo (flat battens for wave sailing, which, BTW Bruce, this 2006
> sail rocked on sunday's 22-30 wind here.)
> 4.8 revo
> 4.2 revo
> 3.8 revo  (a little out of place)
> 3.5 revo

> I sail
> a madd 135
> f2 max2air 265 (115l)
> f2 max2air 254 (90l)
> rrd wave one med  (85L)
> f2 wave 250 (75l)

> Also I use AO on all sails.  But really only adjust while sailing on the
> 8.0 and 6.5.  or when the wind drops to slogging on the rest.

 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by Tom Whittemor » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:48:47

If you think I have alot you should see Ellen or Rogers vehicles.
Won't use the small stuff as much but when you sail the windless
northeast in the summer and then travel down to the Coast and Hatteras,
you need everything but the kitchen sink. Basically I can plane whenever
there are windcaps showing up to when the spray is sideways off the top
of the whitecap.
BTW there is a few more older toys in the ba***t.
Quote:

> Tom,

> You need more gear.


>>Fraid my quiver is off from yours.
>>8.0 retro
>>6.5 retro
>>5.5 retro

>>5.4 revo (flat battens for wave sailing, which, BTW Bruce, this 2006
>>sail rocked on sunday's 22-30 wind here.)
>>4.8 revo
>>4.2 revo
>>3.8 revo  (a little out of place)
>>3.5 revo

>>I sail
>>a madd 135
>>f2 max2air 265 (115l)
>>f2 max2air 254 (90l)
>>rrd wave one med  (85L)
>>f2 wave 250 (75l)

>>Also I use AO on all sails.  But really only adjust while sailing on the
>>8.0 and 6.5.  or when the wind drops to slogging on the rest.

 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by sailworksma » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:38:07

Peter,

Your old 1+1 sails are a very punchy comparison to the Huckers.
Similar in many ways (low twist and full shape), albeit with a much
lower tension profile.  I'd call it even on low end, but give the
Hucker an edge on top end.

The Hucker sails pull hard so they work well on faster boards that
accelerate quickly and handle speed well.  With a slightly higher
center of effort its nice to be able to move the mast track forward
slightly for a bit more rake angle.  In the late 80's and early 90's
when slalom boards were the rage, board designs were narower and
flatter, with the mast tracks slightly further forward than todays
designs.  These attributes are very compatible to the Hucker.

Bruce Peterson
Sailworks

Quote:

> Bruce,

> Will the hucker 5.6 cover my current 6.1 and 5.3?
> Does the hucker 4.8 cover the 5.3 and 4.6?

> I figured that the hucker sail design would be similar to my older
> sails (tighter leech) so it would have less range than the retros.

> When you say that the sail works well for older boards as well, what do
> you mean?  Does it have to do with where the fullest part of the sail
> is?

> Peter

 
 
 

Retro quiver spacing

Post by NC/M » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:22:52

Now that I've convinced you, you need to find someone who doesn't like
them...to be sure you are making the right decision.

I was chatting with someone who didn't like how much the sails pull.
She didn't explain much to me on why she didn't like the pull beyond
that it didn't make her feel comfortable. I loved it. I found if I
didn't put much downhaul, the pull was outrageous (but I still liked
it), and if I downhauled to the recommended mark, it was very
reasonable.

Quote:

> Thanks Bill.

> You and Bruce have done a great job of getting me to consider the
> hucker.  I think my wife will have to get me the 5.8 for xmas.  I have
> some older 430 cm masts, a fiberspar purple (I think) and a sailworks
> black label carbon (24.0??)comp mast.  Hopefully they can work with
> these sails.