Anybody try the new 2007 ezzys?

Anybody try the new 2007 ezzys?

Post by vi.. » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 04:52:07


I've read some comments on the UK boards forum about the pulley being
added.  And then I found an article with Dave aboout the wave sails
needing less downhaul.  What?  Ezzy's without back breaking downhaul?

Really curious how they sail.  Do they still rig to spec?  Have 4.0 and
4.5 I was planning on replacing next summer - but two different rigging
systems could just end up confusing me.

Thanks.
Vic

 
 
 

Anybody try the new 2007 ezzys?

Post by Glenn Woodel » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 05:23:58

Back breaking downhaul? Ever try a North IQ? Now THAT was downhaul.
I've never felt the Ezzy sails required any more DH force that other
sails.

I have a 6.5 Infinity and a 5.2 SE Wave on order here in the states.
Just waiting.

Glenn


Quote:
>I've read some comments on the UK boards forum about the pulley being
>added.  And then I found an article with Dave aboout the wave sails
>needing less downhaul.  What?  Ezzy's without back breaking downhaul?

>Really curious how they sail.  Do they still rig to spec?  Have 4.0 and
>4.5 I was planning on replacing next summer - but two different rigging
>systems could just end up confusing me.

>Thanks.
>Vic


 
 
 

Anybody try the new 2007 ezzys?

Post by nikit » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 05:42:37

I wouldn't say they have back-breaking downhaul. Are you using a
pulley-hook for downhaul or are you threading the rope through the
grommet directly?

I actually hate the idea of having to deal with the triple-pulley.
Right now I have a couple of extensions, with hooks attached, and it
takes no time to downhaul the sails. With the '07s I would need to
thread-unthread the downhaul rope every time I would need to use it.
Moreover, my current set of sails (from '04 to '06) will still need to
use hooks, and the hooks will now be getting lost not being permanently
attached to extensions...

I don't like this change at all. Thinking of just getting '06 sails now
to replace the '04s I would've replaced eventually and then not getting
any sails for a couple of years at all...

Quote:

> I've read some comments on the UK boards forum about the pulley being
> added.  And then I found an article with Dave aboout the wave sails
> needing less downhaul.  What?  Ezzy's without back breaking downhaul?

> Really curious how they sail.  Do they still rig to spec?  Have 4.0 and
> 4.5 I was planning on replacing next summer - but two different rigging
> systems could just end up confusing me.

> Thanks.
> Vic


 
 
 

Anybody try the new 2007 ezzys?

Post by (PeteCresswell » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 05:52:25

Per nikita:

Quote:
>I wouldn't say they have back-breaking downhaul.

I've got a 5.4 Infinity that I couldn't downhaul on a 460 without a winch if my
life depended on it.     Dunno about on a 430...  haven't tried recently but my
recollection is that I couldn't do it there without a winch either.
--
PeteCresswell
 
 
 

Anybody try the new 2007 ezzys?

Post by nikit » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 05:56:12

With a pulley-hook or threading directly through the grommet?? I know
that some people don't use a pulley-hook and then it might be tough. I
don't understand why one wouldn't use a hook, since it's convenient for
many reasons, but I guess this is the group of customers Ezzy is going
after with this change.
Quote:

> Per nikita:
> >I wouldn't say they have back-breaking downhaul.

> I've got a 5.4 Infinity that I couldn't downhaul on a 460 without a winch if my
> life depended on it.     Dunno about on a 430...  haven't tried recently but my
> recollection is that I couldn't do it there without a winch either.
> --
> PeteCresswell

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry McEwe » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 06:57:35

Hey, nikita, are you talking about a hook like this?

http://www.chinooksailing.com/web03/components.html, half way down the
page.

I think I had one of those break years ago, but don't know if it was a
Chinook or piece of crap. I asked a dealer about them awhile back and
he discouraged me from using one on a cambered 7.5, do you have an
opinion or recommendation? Thanks.


Quote:
>With a pulley-hook or threading directly through the grommet?? I know
>that some people don't use a pulley-hook and then it might be tough. I
>don't understand why one wouldn't use a hook, since it's convenient for
>many reasons, but I guess this is the group of customers Ezzy is going
>after with this change.


>> Per nikita:
>> >I wouldn't say they have back-breaking downhaul.

>> I've got a 5.4 Infinity that I couldn't downhaul on a 460 without a winch if my
>> life depended on it.     Dunno about on a 430...  haven't tried recently but my
>> recollection is that I couldn't do it there without a winch either.
>> --
>> PeteCresswell

 
 
 

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Post by nikit » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:09:43

Yes, that's what I use. It's hard for me to imagine that something like
that would break. I think I have one Chinook hook and a couple more by
Epic Gear (they are all black) and they are very thick. I managed to
break an extension last week, but haven't had any problems with the
hooks. I really like the fact that my extensions are always threaded -
it takes seconds to attach/detach the downhaul. It's very easy to
downhaul with a hook like this and I also don't have the full 5 feet of
the DH rope dangling around my trunk (it stays pretty compact with the
hook and doesn't tangle).

I use these hooks on all my sails (Ezzys from 4.5 to 8.5) and I am very
happy with them.

Quote:

> Hey, nikita, are you talking about a hook like this?

> http://www.chinooksailing.com/web03/components.html, half way down the
> page.

> I think I had one of those break years ago, but don't know if it was a
> Chinook or piece of crap. I asked a dealer about them awhile back and
> he discouraged me from using one on a cambered 7.5, do you have an
> opinion or recommendation? Thanks.


> >With a pulley-hook or threading directly through the grommet?? I know
> >that some people don't use a pulley-hook and then it might be tough. I
> >don't understand why one wouldn't use a hook, since it's convenient for
> >many reasons, but I guess this is the group of customers Ezzy is going
> >after with this change.


> >> Per nikita:
> >> >I wouldn't say they have back-breaking downhaul.

> >> I've got a 5.4 Infinity that I couldn't downhaul on a 460 without a winch if my
> >> life depended on it.     Dunno about on a 430...  haven't tried recently but my
> >> recollection is that I couldn't do it there without a winch either.
> >> --
> >> PeteCresswell

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry McEwe » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:17:17

Great, thanks! I went ahead and am using the one I had on hand for the
7.5 and so far, so good, but I've feared that it would break in the
middle of the lake.

I can see an el cheapo breaking. I trust about anything Chinook makes,
but can see where a small item like this might be made by a third
party and I've seen a lot of broken pot metal in my time.


Quote:
>Yes, that's what I use. It's hard for me to imagine that something like
>that would break. I think I have one Chinook hook and a couple more by
>Epic Gear (they are all black) and they are very thick. I managed to
>break an extension last week, but haven't had any problems with the
>hooks. I really like the fact that my extensions are always threaded -
>it takes seconds to attach/detach the downhaul. It's very easy to
>downhaul with a hook like this and I also don't have the full 5 feet of
>the DH rope dangling around my trunk (it stays pretty compact with the
>hook and doesn't tangle).

>I use these hooks on all my sails (Ezzys from 4.5 to 8.5) and I am very
>happy with them.

 
 
 

Anybody try the new 2007 ezzys?

Post by Glenn Woodel » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:29:56

Strange. All of my 6.5's were easily rigged with just a rigging tool.
Never needed a winch.

Glenn



Quote:
>Per nikita:
>>I wouldn't say they have back-breaking downhaul.

>I've got a 5.4 Infinity that I couldn't downhaul on a 460 without a winch if my
>life depended on it.     Dunno about on a 430...  haven't tried recently but my
>recollection is that I couldn't do it there without a winch either.

 
 
 

Anybody try the new 2007 ezzys?

Post by Glenn Woodel » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:32:50

I hated the gromet personally so I like the tripple pulley except that
its orientation is fixed...90 degrees to where I'd like it.

I used pulley hooks and never had one fail although I did lose a
couple in the grass. I never liked keeping the hook threaded. WIth 4'
of DH line it was always a quick matter to thread it. I'm sure it's
all what you get used to.

Glenn


Quote:
>I wouldn't say they have back-breaking downhaul. Are you using a
>pulley-hook for downhaul or are you threading the rope through the
>grommet directly?

>I actually hate the idea of having to deal with the triple-pulley.
>Right now I have a couple of extensions, with hooks attached, and it
>takes no time to downhaul the sails. With the '07s I would need to
>thread-unthread the downhaul rope every time I would need to use it.
>Moreover, my current set of sails (from '04 to '06) will still need to
>use hooks, and the hooks will now be getting lost not being permanently
>attached to extensions...

>I don't like this change at all. Thinking of just getting '06 sails now
>to replace the '04s I would've replaced eventually and then not getting
>any sails for a couple of years at all...


>> I've read some comments on the UK boards forum about the pulley being
>> added.  And then I found an article with Dave aboout the wave sails
>> needing less downhaul.  What?  Ezzy's without back breaking downhaul?

>> Really curious how they sail.  Do they still rig to spec?  Have 4.0 and
>> 4.5 I was planning on replacing next summer - but two different rigging
>> systems could just end up confusing me.

>> Thanks.
>> Vic

 
 
 

Anybody try the new 2007 ezzys?

Post by Jerry McEwe » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:35:05

I thought I read that newer Ezzys required less downhaul, true?

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:29:56 -0400, Glenn Woodell

Quote:

>Strange. All of my 6.5's were easily rigged with just a rigging tool.
>Never needed a winch.

>Glenn

 
 
 

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Post by Jerry McEwe » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:40:00

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:32:50 -0400, Glenn Woodell

Quote:

> I never liked keeping the hook threaded. WIth 4'
>of DH line it was always a quick matter to thread it. I'm sure it's
>all what you get used to.

WHAT?!! I cannot imagine why someone wouldn't like keeping it
threaded. When I derig, I put a figure-8 in the end of the line so it
stays in the pulley. Maybe the length of my line (prolly >4') makes it
nicer.
 
 
 

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Post by Dan Weis » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:21:54

Hi Nikita:  How's the summer sailing treating you?

Some people (like me) don't use pulley hooks because it prevents the
sail from getting within the last few cms of the base pulleys.  This
allows the foot of the sail to pull away from the base, as if the luff
curve was modified.  It's the same thing as leaving 2-3cm of distance
between the tack pulley and the base pulley.  The foot of the sail
can't take the shape intended.  Press grommets that are inset a bit
help in this regard but you can't really get the same result.  Before
tack pulleys became commonplace, sails were equipped with straps near
the foot to help prevent the foot from wandering.  Now, every
integrated tack pulley I've seen in the last 5 years is very close to
the edge of the foot.

I think an additional benefit of pulleys is that they don't blow out
and trash the sail like press rings often do.  If the webbing for the
pulley somehow wears out or snaps, there is zero collateral damage, and
the repair is much more simple than possibly rebuiling the entire foot.
 Maybe this is significant reason unto its own to change from press
rings to pulleys?

-Dan

Quote:

> With a pulley-hook or threading directly through the grommet?? I know
> that some people don't use a pulley-hook and then it might be tough. I
> don't understand why one wouldn't use a hook, since it's convenient for
> many reasons, but I guess this is the group of customers Ezzy is going
> after with this change.


> > Per nikita:
> > >I wouldn't say they have back-breaking downhaul.

> > I've got a 5.4 Infinity that I couldn't downhaul on a 460 without a winch if my
> > life depended on it.     Dunno about on a 430...  haven't tried recently but my
> > recollection is that I couldn't do it there without a winch either.
> > --
> > PeteCresswell

 
 
 

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Post by Charles Jutkin » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:27:46

So has anybody got a review on how they actually sail compared to the old
design?

Quote:
> I've read some comments on the UK boards forum about the pulley being
> added.  And then I found an article with Dave aboout the wave sails
> needing less downhaul.  What?  Ezzy's without back breaking downhaul?

> Really curious how they sail.  Do they still rig to spec?  Have 4.0 and
> 4.5 I was planning on replacing next summer - but two different rigging
> systems could just end up confusing me.

> Thanks.
> Vic

 
 
 

Anybody try the new 2007 ezzys?

Post by (PeteCresswell » Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:26:52

Per Jerry McEwen:

Quote:
>Hey, nikita, are you talking about a hook like this?

>http://www.chinooksailing.com/web03/components.html, half way down the
>page.

I'm not Nikita, but I'm using a couple of those plus another kind.

My experience is that they all have a finite life span: the pin that goes
through the pulleys corrodes or otherwise fails eventually - but it takes a few
years.
--
PeteCresswell