Unsticking 2pc Mast

Unsticking 2pc Mast

Post by JimCannif » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Please help. I have a FiberSpar Tidal Wave that will not come apart. It has
been stuck for about six months and I'm looking for any/all advice to get
it apart.

This is what I've tried:
4 relatively strong people, 2 on one side 2 on the other.
Attaching booms above and below split and counter-rotating.
Tying off one end and pulling on other while tapping split with ***
mallet.
Nothing has worked.

I actually took it over to FiberSpar and had then try. No luck there. One
of the guys told me he had heard of a guy with the same problem. Supposedly
he applied OLIVE OIL on the split daily for many months and it finally came
free. I've been doing the olive oil thing, but it hasn't made its way into
my daily activities yet. And obviously, it hasn't worked yet.

Any suggestions? --

-Jim


 
 
 

Unsticking 2pc Mast

Post by Bob Jacobso » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Try heating the joint with a hair dryer. probably will want to use the
low heat setting. Maybe that will get the olive oil to penetrate better
If that doesn'twork, try hot water with detergent in it. It would get
out the oil, and maybe disolve some of the soids holding the mast
together. Or just get a cover for a one piece mast, and let it go at
that.

Bob Jacobson

Quote:

> Please help. I have a FiberSpar Tidal Wave that will not come apart.
> It has
> been stuck for about six months and I'm looking for any/all advice to
> get
> it apart.

> This is what I've tried:
> 4 relatively strong people, 2 on one side 2 on the other.
> Attaching booms above and below split and counter-rotating.
> Tying off one end and pulling on other while tapping split with ***

> mallet.
> Nothing has worked.

> I actually took it over to FiberSpar and had then try. No luck there.
> One
> of the guys told me he had heard of a guy with the same problem.
> Supposedly
> he applied OLIVE OIL on the split daily for many months and it finally
> came
> free. I've been doing the olive oil thing, but it hasn't made its way
> into
> my daily activities yet. And obviously, it hasn't worked yet.

> Any suggestions? --

> -Jim




 
 
 

Unsticking 2pc Mast

Post by WARDO » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00

You need some industrial strength penetrant and release agent. CRC, Chemsearch,
Rustbuster....
You may have to get "western" with it. Two opposing pipe wrenches with ***
strips using your foot and the ground for leverage. If Fiberspar could not get
it unstuck you may be S.O.L. or maybe stuck with a one-piece. An ounce of
prevention.........

Quote:

> Please help. I have a FiberSpar Tidal Wave that will not come apart. It has
> been stuck for about six months and I'm looking for any/all advice to get
> it apart.

> This is what I've tried:
> 4 relatively strong people, 2 on one side 2 on the other.
> Attaching booms above and below split and counter-rotating.
> Tying off one end and pulling on other while tapping split with ***
> mallet.
> Nothing has worked.

> I actually took it over to FiberSpar and had then try. No luck there. One
> of the guys told me he had heard of a guy with the same problem. Supposedly
> he applied OLIVE OIL on the split daily for many months and it finally came
> free. I've been doing the olive oil thing, but it hasn't made its way into
> my daily activities yet. And obviously, it hasn't worked yet.

> Any suggestions? --

> -Jim




 
 
 

Unsticking 2pc Mast

Post by Paul Scrutt » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00

What happenned when you did the two boom method...did the booms slip?
The two boom method worked for me where the *** mallet/people on
each end method did not. If the booms are slipping, maybe you could
tighten the clamp up further before retrying.

I once threw a party so that I had enough people around my house so that
I could get a boom unstuck (4 people on each end did it).
--
Paul Scrutton
USWA Member US-292

My views may not agree with those of employer.

 
 
 

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Post by andy campbel » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> > Please help. I have a FiberSpar Tidal Wave that will not come apart. It
> has
> > been stuck for about six months and I'm looking for any/all advice to
> get
> > it apart.

There was a thread a little while ago on this. I replied but never saw it
appear, so here goes again.

I went through everything to part my Dynafibre mast, but in the end it was
the following that worked.

I tightly coiled ***y electic cable around one half, just above the
joint. I then put it into a big vice, but in the hollow between & below the
jaws. This is roughly circular, so shouldn't make the mast oval, but take
care. Gradually tighten vice, just until the mast is gripped enough not to
turn, then 2 or more people on the other end can really twist & pull at the
same time. Big Big relief when it came apart.

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Post by NLW TFW » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Soak the stuck joint in ice until it's thoroughly cooled through and through.
Then have two guys start twisting it, then a third jerks the ice off the joint
and floods warm or even hot water on the joint.

Mike \m/
Never Leave Wind To Find Wind

 
 
 

Unsticking 2pc Mast

Post by TomBuckO » Wed, 25 Mar 1998 04:00:00

1) Tie one end to your trailer hitch
2) Tie the other to a LARGE tree
3) Drive away slowly
4) Watch out for "bounce back"

 
 
 

Unsticking 2pc Mast

Post by sailquik (Roger Jacks » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>Please help. I have a FiberSpar Tidal Wave that will not come apart. It has
>been stuck for about six months and I'm looking for any/all advice to get
>it apart.
>Any suggestions? --

-Jim:

Something that has worked on a number of mast (not mine, but I unstuck them
anyway) is to get some sawhorses or find  two of something so you can
support the tip and the botto of the mast. Put rags or towels under the
mast so you don't damage it.
then go out to the joint in the middle, and work it up and down. Trun the
mast  around as you do this. And if you can fing a hot water hose, get
someone to squirt water on the joint as you work it.
At some point, you may hear a little "grinding sound" which means you've
got the mast going in the right orientation to break down the sand/dirt
that is sticking it together. Just keep working it, and maybe tap it some
as you work it with you *** hammer.
Every once in a while, try to twist the two sections. Once it wil turn just
a little, twist it back and forth to break the sand down even further.

If you stop to consider why most masts stick, you may see why this works.
When you rig your sail, you bent the mast for the whole length, but one
side of the joint (the front) tends to open up either due to the joint
being slightly loose, or just from deformation from bending the mast.
Sand get's into this open space, especially when surfsailing or  when the
sand is blowing accross the beach.
When you derig,  the sand in this pocket becomes trapped as the joint
goes back to being symetrical.
If you can get the mast in the same orientation that it was when you rigged
it last, as you work the mast up and down, the sand will be
trapped/released, trapped/released and tend to break down into smaller
particles. It will also abrade the carbon in the joint some too, but that
cannot be helped. As soon as the sand breaks down enough the mast will come
apart.
Best way to keep this form happening is to wrap a turn of vinyl or
electrical tape around the joint as soon as you put it together. This stops
the sand from getting in in the first place. Tape is cheap, carbon masts
are not.
later
sailquik (Roger Jackson) US 3704 |Ph#in MD 301-872-9459
F2/North Sails/ True Ames/Rainbow|Ph#in NC 919-995-3204
US Sail Lvl 1 WS Instructor

 
 
 

Unsticking 2pc Mast

Post by Winddemo » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00

I had this problem twice.  I tried everything as you have.  In the end
the only thing that worked was three people twisting either side -6
total.

I learn't the hardway that the mast joints must be clean of salt and
sand before assembling.  Make sure your caps at the top and bottom of
your mast are in place.  If they are loose or not in place sand enters
and gets caught in the mast joint causing it to stick.

This is a good excuse to have a "separate the mast" party.  Invite lots
of people over, get them on the mast ends and get them to twist.  Then
party on!!

Regs,

WindDemon.

 
 
 

Unsticking 2pc Mast

Post by Winddemo » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00

I had this problem twice.  I tried everything as you have.  In the end
the only thing that worked was three people twisting either side -6
total.

I learn't the hardway that the mast joints must be clean of salt and
sand before assembling.  Make sure your caps at the top and bottom of
your mast are in place.  If they are loose or not in place sand enters
and gets caught in the mast joint causing it to stick.

This is a good excuse to have a "separate the mast" party.  Invite lots
of people over, get them on the mast ends and get them to twist.  Then
party on!!

Regs,

WindDemon.

 
 
 

Unsticking 2pc Mast

Post by Winddemo » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00

I had this problem twice.  I tried everything as you have.  In the end
the only thing that worked was three people twisting either side -6
total.

I learn't the hardway that the mast joints must be clean of salt and
sand before assembling.  Make sure your caps at the top and bottom of
your mast are in place.  If they are loose or not in place sand enters
and gets caught in the mast joint causing it to stick.

This is a good excuse to have a "separate the mast" party.  Invite lots
of people over, get them on the mast ends and get them to twist.  Then
party on!!

Regs,

WindDemon.

 
 
 

Unsticking 2pc Mast

Post by Thomas Dege » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


> > > Please help. I have a FiberSpar Tidal Wave that will not come apart. It
> > has
> > > been stuck for about six months and I'm looking for any/all advice to
> > get
> > > it apart.

> There was a thread a little while ago on this. I replied but never saw it
> appear, so here goes again.

You bet there was - this problem pops up every 6 months. I always do the
following:
Borrow another boom so you have two. tighten the booms on each side very
firmly. then twist the booms in opposide directions like a big wrench.
The mechanics of Mother Nature's laws will do the rest.

Other people will have more colourful suggestions - including tieing
(??speling) one end to you car and the other to a tree.
--

;-)
Thomas Degel
HTTP://www.iir.dk IIR Danmark; Nygade 6, 3.; DK-1164 K?benhavn K;
Danmark
Tlf: (+45) 33 33 01 00     Fax: (+45) 33 33 05 00

 
 
 

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Post by Barry Evan » Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:00:00

I go with the 'hold a party theory'. While living in Fiji I
managed to get a 2 piece fibrespar stuck. The only thing that
worked in the end was 8 BIG Fijian firefighters (who happened to
be attending a course on the island I was staying on), plus water,
plus tapping the joint. The mast must be cool because obviously it
expands when under the sum etc. Of course, the more people it
takes, the more it will cost you in the bar afterwards!
Barry

--
Barry Evans

 
 
 

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Post by dave watso » Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> I go with the 'hold a party theory'. While living in Fiji I
> managed to get a 2 piece fibrespar stuck. The only thing that
> worked in the end was 8 BIG Fijian firefighters (who happened to
> be attending a course on the island I was staying on), plus water,
> plus tapping the joint. The mast must be cool because obviously it
> expands when under the sum etc. Of course, the more people it
> takes, the more it will cost you in the bar afterwards!
> Barry

> --
> Barry Evans


 
 
 

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Post by Olly gyb » Fri, 03 Apr 1998 04:00:00

i had this problem once, what i did was to get a friend at the other end of the
mast ,you at the other end, then start wobbling the mast up and down . you must
both be in rythem doing this for it to work( and it does).

a foot note do it while there is a crowd around you, it causes a good
laugh..!!!!

olly england

p.s  i now put tape around the joint like roger... never had this problem
since.