Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Dave Crabb » Thu, 14 Aug 1997 04:00:00


Thanks for all the replies to the Mistral saga ... I don't like what
I'veread from owners of Mistral. I am very disappointed in the longevity

of my Screamer and unless Mistral does something (I just wrote
them a long e-mail) I won't be purchasing another Mistral product.

Quote:
> I wonder how many people are influenced by the experiences
> people tell about regarding their equipment...

> I want a board for 5.0 choppy conditions.
> I thought I'd buy a Mistral Screamer 268 this year. Now I
> think I'll go with the F2 Axxis 272. It won't match my
> other 2 Mistral boards, but it may be around longer! :)

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Dave Crabb » Thu, 14 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Whoops .. last reply got prematurely sent.

Yeah, I won't buy another mistral product unless
Mistral does something under warranty.

I'd look at the F2 Ride 277. It is 100L board and
has good reviews.

Dave

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Ian » Thu, 14 Aug 1997 04:00:00

I purchased a Mistral XLE 278 in October 97  - this board is promoted as a
lightweight free ride version of the Screamer 278.  I have used this board
pre***ly as a slalom board.  It has developed soft patches under my
front feet as well as a hairline crack in the ASA skin behind one of my my
heels.  

The board is being replaced under warranty and I intend on selling the
replacement on consignment.   I am extremely disappointed with the quality
of this board.  I can't believe  Mistral's claim that this design is suited
to free ride treatment.  

It would be useful if the likes of the Windsurfing Magazine did a few
follow ups on the longevity of some of the boards they promote as their
recommended choices.

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Jeff Robert » Fri, 15 Aug 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
> Hold on Tom,
> The sample of people with Mistral problems in this NG is fairly small. I've
> owned ump*** Mistrals (including an XLE 268) and not had the slightest
> problems. However I've had an F2 delam on me and two Fanatics, one of which
> split and the other snapped.

Well, the sample may be small, but my NEW 268 XLE is showing signs of
delaminating in front of the mast track.  This board is two months old and
has not been abused.    I will probably send it back next month.  I love
the board, but if it won't last, I won't buy another one.

Jeff

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Steven Swan » Sat, 16 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Hold on Tom,

>The sample of people with Mistral problems in this NG is fairly small. I've
>owned ump*** Mistrals (including an XLE 268) and not had the slightest
>problems. However I've had an F2 delam on me and two Fanatics, one of which
>split and the other snapped.

>NB My Mistral Ecstasy got run over by a Coast Guard Land-Rover and survuved
>with just a few screatches.

>I have heard that the F2 Axxis 262/272 range has had problems with the fin
>box type mast track.

>Mistral, Fanatic and F2 are all big successful manufacturers and do not
>make ***if you do get a dodgy board this should be covered by warranty.

Seconded.

For what its worth - a mate of mine WAS the most rabid, one eyed F2 man -
not any more.  He too thought that because Bjoern wins on them, they must
be faster (personally, I reckon Bjoern would win on a log!)  Anyway, back
to my mate. Firstly, his WC 280 split, then the replacement 280 Aerodyne
(spelling?) hollow board split, then to top it all off, his brand new '97
275 WC went soft under the front straps and developed lots of hairline
cracks there.  Before anyone accuses him of misuse, he is THE most
conservative sailor, who never jumps and always looks after his kit. Now
he sails Seatrend.

Another mate snapped in half his brand new F2 255 Wave on the first
outing, and on the first chop hop!

What this proves is that you can get a bad one, regardless of the make.  
I just wonder how many hundreds of thousands of Mistral (and F2 for that
matter) boards around the world are giving sterling service (like my
Energizer & Electron)?

Take the rental fleets in Maui for example, thousands of Mistrals and F2s
getting absolutely caned day in, day out, yet the rental companies still
buy them.

Cold comfort to someone who is crapped off that their expensive piece of
plastic just went soft, but true, nevertheless.  I guess that is what
warranties are for.

SS.

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Jaso » Sat, 16 Aug 1997 04:00:00

All this talk about F2's bums me out because I just bought two new
ones...and now I am hoping they last...

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by sla.. » Sun, 17 Aug 1997 04:00:00

I had the F2 Sunset Slalom in the early 90's. A great board at the
time (probably quite enjoyable even today) and a very solid
construction. Got the Mistral Screamer II last year. It was a fun
board to ride, but it had a leak on the seam so I returned it. The
Mistral guys were dragging their feet on my warranty claim, so my
dealer gave me a store credit and I've got the F2 Ride. It looks to be
very solid construction and it is significantly lighter than the
Mistral. Although didn't have a chance to test it extensively (Florida
sucks during summer) it seems to have a very smooth ride (the name
says everything), it is fast like hell, but it needs to be jibed more
aggressively than the Screamer. BTW, before I've got it I searched
Deja News and there are no many complaints about F2's. Go for it!

Slalom

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Allan MacKinno » Sun, 17 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> My F2 Xantos 295 is virtually bullet proof... I've dropped it and
> dragged it over rocks without scarcely a scratch!!

        Same here.  I have a hard to navigate stairwell
        into my apartment and have dinged the board a few
        times on the bricks.  No problems -- the skin
        on the Xantos is tough!

--
Allan MacKinnon

Boston, MA - 617/424-0615

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Volker Wedemeie » Thu, 21 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


> >It is still imho not acceptable that boards get soft after short usage
> >but this is where twe seem to be headed, with people accepting that
> >some piece of plastic won't last longer han 2 years or so.

> Especially after having forked out $1300 US or so for them.
> Look on the bright side though, Mistral owners can probably repair
> boards better than F2 owners!

Well, come on! Don't exaggerate!
From what I've seen, it might be that the F2's are a bit tougher than the
Mistrals, but it's not that much!
I have a 1993 Mistral Explosion CHS (the CHS construction is the medium
light construction of their CGI (solid and heaviest), CHS (medium) and XR
(light and fragile) constructions) and it has taken quite some abuse.
Ok, it is pretty prone to getting dings in the deck and underwater part
of the hull. Put it down a bit harder on a sharp stone and you have a
ding in the board. Lean over the board with the harness hook under you
and you will make small depressions in the board. I don't like this
behaviour of the board much, but then this doesn't cause any real damage.

On the other hand, the board has taken some severe bashing. Inlcuding
three really bad hits with the boom to the nose, where I thought each
time, that the nose _must_ have broken right off! But when I looked, it
was still there, no split seam or any open cracks! The material in the
nose is a bit softer now and after the last boom hit there is a slight
fold in the outer hull, but no holes or anything that really matters.

Also, even though I've jumped the board (well, not too severely, though -
I am not too good at high jumps yet) and though I am pretty heavy (92
kg), the deck in the footpad area is not soft at all, nor has the board  
delaminated anywhere. Also the finbox has survived many bad fin-ground
contacts without the slightest sign of damage.

So, after 4 years of usage, the board is still absolutely fine except for
several small dings in the deck which are only cosmetic. I don't know, if
an F2 board would have taken the same amount of abuse. They seem to have
a harder hull, making them less prone to dings, but often, the harder
something is, the sooner it breaks (things that don't bend, break).
Ok doesn't need to be and I've not yet really put this to the test - only
used F2 boards during my vacations and nothing bad happened there.

So, all I can say is that Mistral boards are probably softer (at least in
terms of dings) than they should be and I don't like to handle boards
like raw eggs much (as I mostly do with my Explosion, even though, the
older it gets the less careful I become :-))) ), the Mistrals are not
as weak as this discussion seems to indicate. (At least the weren't in
1993, don't know about the new ones.)

Anyway, if some of you Mistral guys read this, it probably couldn't hurt,
if you made your boards a bit tougher again. (But then, they probably aim
their boards at the usual yuppie, who buys a new (Mistral) board every year
anyway.)

Still, in spite of all that, I really love the Explosion. It's damn fast -
well, doesn't turn too well, though (but once you get used to it, it's
ok after all) - but it planes early and also slogs me home compfortably
if necessary.

Hang loose,

              Volker

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Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by sla.. » Sat, 23 Aug 1997 04:00:00

I guess it depends what you like and what not. Based on Volkers
description (+ a recent bad experience with a Mistral board and their
customer support) I will not invest even a dime into anything with the
m' logo on it. For 1300$ I expect a better piece of plastic.

Slalom

Quote:



>> >It is still imho not acceptable that boards get soft after short usage
>> >but this is where twe seem to be headed, with people accepting that
>> >some piece of plastic won't last longer han 2 years or so.

>> Especially after having forked out $1300 US or so for them.
>> Look on the bright side though, Mistral owners can probably repair
>> boards better than F2 owners!
>Well, come on! Don't exaggerate!
>From what I've seen, it might be that the F2's are a bit tougher than the
>Mistrals, but it's not that much!
>I have a 1993 Mistral Explosion CHS (the CHS construction is the medium
>light construction of their CGI (solid and heaviest), CHS (medium) and XR
>(light and fragile) constructions) and it has taken quite some abuse.
>Ok, it is pretty prone to getting dings in the deck and underwater part
>of the hull. Put it down a bit harder on a sharp stone and you have a
>ding in the board. Lean over the board with the harness hook under you
>and you will make small depressions in the board. I don't like this
>behaviour of the board much, but then this doesn't cause any real damage.
>On the other hand, the board has taken some severe bashing. Inlcuding
>three really bad hits with the boom to the nose, where I thought each
>time, that the nose _must_ have broken right off! But when I looked, it
>was still there, no split seam or any open cracks! The material in the
>nose is a bit softer now and after the last boom hit there is a slight
>fold in the outer hull, but no holes or anything that really matters.
>Also, even though I've jumped the board (well, not too severely, though -
>I am not too good at high jumps yet) and though I am pretty heavy (92
>kg), the deck in the footpad area is not soft at all, nor has the board  
>delaminated anywhere. Also the finbox has survived many bad fin-ground
>contacts without the slightest sign of damage.
>So, after 4 years of usage, the board is still absolutely fine except for
>several small dings in the deck which are only cosmetic. I don't know, if
>an F2 board would have taken the same amount of abuse. They seem to have
>a harder hull, making them less prone to dings, but often, the harder
>something is, the sooner it breaks (things that don't bend, break).
>Ok doesn't need to be and I've not yet really put this to the test - only
>used F2 boards during my vacations and nothing bad happened there.
>So, all I can say is that Mistral boards are probably softer (at least in
>terms of dings) than they should be and I don't like to handle boards
>like raw eggs much (as I mostly do with my Explosion, even though, the
>older it gets the less careful I become :-))) ), the Mistrals are not
>as weak as this discussion seems to indicate. (At least the weren't in
>1993, don't know about the new ones.)
>Anyway, if some of you Mistral guys read this, it probably couldn't hurt,
>if you made your boards a bit tougher again. (But then, they probably aim
>their boards at the usual yuppie, who buys a new (Mistral) board every year
>anyway.)
>Still, in spite of all that, I really love the Explosion. It's damn fast -
>well, doesn't turn too well, though (but once you get used to it, it's
>ok after all) - but it planes early and also slogs me home compfortably
>if necessary.
>Hang loose,
>              Volker
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