Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Dave Crabb » Mon, 04 Aug 1997 04:00:00


I am having delamination problems
on my '94 CGI screamer and am wondering
if Mistral boards are "softer" than
other brands, such as F2 (but perhaps
have better performance)

I was susprised my board (after 2 short
seasons) is getting this soft in the
area between the foot straps. No major
crashes, and I don't jump it. Only
time I stand there is slogging, and
jibing .. (did learn to plane jibe on
this board)

Any comments?

Dave

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Steven Swan » Fri, 08 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Yep they`re softer. Mistral Explosions delaminate too and so do
>Energisers from my experience. F2 are miles better and are much
>faster than Mistral boards, you don`t see that many successful pros
>using Mistral, do you?

Gosh, what is his name again - Robby something...!  Thats right, Robby
Naish!  Not that he is very succesfull, though!

What a load of rot - no problems with either of my two Mistrals (Energizer
& Electron).  I'm not saying they are better or worse than F2 - just
that there is clearly not that much between them in terms of speed, just
feel.  You can't go wrong with either F2, Mistral or Fanatic for that
matter.

The F2 and Fanatic fun ranges (axxis and

Quote:
>Gecko) are very user friendly especiall the new Axxis 272 and ride
>277. Sell your Mistral and get the Ride 277.

Try one of each and make up your own mind.  No doubt the "ride" is great,
but so too are the Mistrals & Fanatics.  

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Sailm » Sun, 10 Aug 1997 04:00:00

I dont know if they are weaker than F2 but I had 4 Mistral boards in 18
months , under warrenty and they all had the same fault ,soft decks and
leaky seams two of my friends had the same problem. the boards were

3 edges cgi
2 electrons cgi
1 energiser

This was all about one year ago and since we have swopped to F2, Fanatic
and Gem had no problems .

 None of us will buy Mistral again.

The warrenty you get runs out one year after you purchase the board (no
problem) but if it is replaced because of a manufacturing problem the
warrenty still runs out the same time ( in some ways you cant blame them
as some people would break their board to get a new one but it does leave
the legit claims up shit creak). So if the replacement has the same fault
( 3 did for me ) you are suck with a over weight and weak board which will
be a *** to sell .

Thats life but sailing is still fun and I love it

mike

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Tom » Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I have just returned a Mistral XLE 278 that went soft under my front feet.
> I purchased this in October last year and have used it pre***ly as a
> slalom board.  The board is promoted as a free ride design .... Dream on
> Mistral.

> This is my first and last Mistral - I'm selling the replacement board on
> consignment.

I wonder how many people are influenced by the experiences
people tell about regarding their equipment...

I want a board for 5.0 choppy conditions.
I thought I'd buy a Mistral Screamer 268 this year. Now I
think I'll go with the F2 Axxis 272. It won't match my
other 2 Mistral boards, but it may be around longer! :)

Tom

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Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Ivars Kirstei » Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:00:00

My F2 Xantos 295 is virtually bullet proof... I've dropped it and
dragged it over rocks without scarcely a scratch!! On the other hand,
my CHS Echo and CGI Screamer II are considerably more fragile. They
seem to ding and get indentations quite a bit more easily than the
Xantos.
                                           Ivars


says...

Quote:

>Yep they`re softer. Mistral Explosions delaminate too and so do
>Energisers from my experience. F2 are miles better and are much
>faster than Mistral boards, you don`t see that many successful pros
>using Mistral, do you? The F2 and Fanatic fun ranges (axxis and
>Gecko) are very user friendly especiall the new Axxis 272 and ride
>277. Sell your Mistral and get the Ride 277.
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Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Carl Edga » Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

> > I have just returned a Mistral XLE 278 that went soft under my front
feet.
> > I purchased this in October last year and have used it pre***ly as
a
> > slalom board.  The board is promoted as a free ride design .... Dream
on
> > Mistral.

> > This is my first and last Mistral - I'm selling the replacement board
on
> > consignment.

> I wonder how many people are influenced by the experiences
> people tell about regarding their equipment...

> I want a board for 5.0 choppy conditions.
> I thought I'd buy a Mistral Screamer 268 this year. Now I
> think I'll go with the F2 Axxis 272. It won't match my
> other 2 Mistral boards, but it may be around longer! :)

Hold on Tom,

The sample of people with Mistral problems in this NG is fairly small. I've
owned ump*** Mistrals (including an XLE 268) and not had the slightest
problems. However I've had an F2 delam on me and two Fanatics, one of which
split and the other snapped.

NB My Mistral Ecstasy got run over by a Coast Guard Land-Rover and survuved
with just a few screatches.

I have heard that the F2 Axxis 262/272 range has had problems with the fin
box type mast track.

Mistral, Fanatic and F2 are all big successful manufacturers and do not
make ***if you do get a dodgy board this should be covered by warranty.

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Wolfgang Soerge » Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> My F2 Xantos 295 is virtually bullet proof... I've dropped it and
> dragged it over rocks without scarcely a scratch!! On the other hand,
> my CHS Echo and CGI Screamer II are considerably more fragile. They
> seem to ding and get indentations quite a bit more easily than the
> Xantos.

While there seems to be some consenus here that Mistrals are somewhat
delicate (i've seen some soft decks and split rails myself as well),
i would not recommend dropping any board or dragging it over the rocks.
(OK, you can do it with a Tiga or Hifly or some custom wave boards)

Especially note that most F2s are lighter by around 1 pound since the
97 model year -- this certainly has some impact on their ding
resistance.

It is still imho not acceptable that boards get soft after short usage
but this is where twe seem to be headed, with people accepting that
some piece of plastic won't last longer han 2 years or so.

Wolfgang
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Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by nick hoffma » Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:00:00



Quote:


> [snip]

> > I wonder how many people are influenced by the experiences
> > people tell about regarding their equipment...

> > I want a board for 5.0 choppy conditions.
> > I thought I'd buy a Mistral Screamer 268 this year. Now I
> > think I'll go with the F2 Axxis 272. It won't match my
> > other 2 Mistral boards, but it may be around longer! :)

> My friend's new F2 Xantos 295 II just split a seam.  This
> board was a warranty replacement for his first one, which
> sprung a leak on the deck when it was brand new.

> Andrew

it may be that your friend just has bad luck
i (and my dad) have a F2 Xantos 325 and my dad (he mostly sails on it)
hasn't had any problems at all

nick

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Andrew Ronna » Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
> I belive boards are only as they have been treated, some***s don`t
> hose their kit down, do flat landings and drag it up the beach, what
> the frig do you expect to happen? I rinse all my kit (F2`s) and a
> Klepper 320 (yep!) It`s all in great nick, Kleppers delam, but not
> mine , it still has the graphics like new and working track etc, look
> after your kit and it will look after you!

The fellow I mentioned in the previous post takes excellent care
of everything he owns.  Neither of the two boards were hit, banged,
jumped or launched upon.  They were new, and DEFECTIVE.

By the way, not only does he take care of his stuff, he is a good guy,
not a*** at all.

Andrew

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Ian » Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:00:00

I have just returned a Mistral XLE 278 that went soft under my front feet.
I purchased this in October last year and have used it pre***ly as a
slalom board.  The board is promoted as a free ride design .... Dream on
Mistral.

This is my first and last Mistral - I'm selling the replacement board on
consignment.

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Mikal Tod » Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:00:00

I belive boards are only as they have been treated, some***s don`t
hose their kit down, do flat landings and drag it up the beach, what
the frig do you expect to happen? I rinse all my kit (F2`s) and a
Klepper 320 (yep!) It`s all in great nick, Kleppers delam, but not
mine , it still has the graphics like new and working track etc, look
after your kit and it will look after you! I was recently in
Lanzarote in Costa Teguise, and at the F2 centre, Ingo the manager
has not had ANY trouble with his hire kit, funnily enough he washes
it and takes good care of it and some of the boards are 3 years old
and still rockin`. Most of my mates now have F2`s and AHD`s and ACE`s
as these seem to be the only 3 major european brands that have minor
trouble and good fittings, along with shit hot performance. Fanatics
mess up as well SOMETIMES, and their straps suck. Mistrals look cool,
most are fine, although they definately have softening trouble,
although most people I know who have trouble don`t maintain their kit :-(.

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Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Andrew Ronna » Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:00:00

[snip]

Quote:
> I wonder how many people are influenced by the experiences
> people tell about regarding their equipment...

> I want a board for 5.0 choppy conditions.
> I thought I'd buy a Mistral Screamer 268 this year. Now I
> think I'll go with the F2 Axxis 272. It won't match my
> other 2 Mistral boards, but it may be around longer! :)

My friend's new F2 Xantos 295 II just split a seam.  This
board was a warranty replacement for his first one, which
sprung a leak on the deck when it was brand new.

Andrew

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Jonathan M Richards » Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:00:00

: My F2 Xantos 295 is virtually bullet proof... I've dropped it and
: dragged it over rocks without scarcely a scratch!! On the other hand,
: my CHS Echo and CGI Screamer II are considerably more fragile. They
: seem to ding and get indentations quite a bit more easily than the
: Xantos.

Well, my One Design has been used an abused, but it is heavy as sh*t.
My Xantos has held up amazingly well and I love it dearly (it makes my
wife jealous). I also have an old Seatrend 8.6 (~90l) which weighs as
much as the Xantos! I have demoed many of the F2 Axxis boards and I
like them, too. I think that F2 has the "edge," at least for the
moment.

-Jonathan.

USWA Member #US233
Boards: Old Seatrends, F2 Xantos 295 II and  Mistral One Design
Sails: Waddell (Still!)
Spars: Fiberspar

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Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Elevayt » Thu, 14 Aug 1997 04:00:00

this has been an interesting thread....I've always thought that mistral,
f2, bic, fanatic made relatively tough and long-lasting boards.....guess I
was wrong...I'll probably be wary of mistrals(i used to have one and
noticed it getting a little soft in the nose area....not a problem...but
still

 
 
 

Are Mistral boards "softer" than F2

Post by Mikal Tod » Thu, 14 Aug 1997 04:00:00

N.B

Andrew - Note the use of the word "some" I didn`t say your mate was a
***, some people do get defective kit, of course this happens in
every aspect of life,(cars, T.V`s etc) if you would read the  message
properly you would notice I wasn`t implying anything about yer mate.

 A mate of mine has wrecked so much kit and complained every time. He
has one of those HiFly 265 RX boards and weighs 13 stone. In 45 knots
of wind (I couldn`t even sail in that!) he made a massive crack in
the nose after a huge catapult. He admitted to us it was his fault,
however the cheeky git then tried a warranty claim! Not to mention
the 2 Fiberspar reflex masts he snapped (his own fault again,yet he
claimed) and he even snapped a heavy duty glass mast. He also snaps
booms and the only item that is strong enough NEVER to break is his
MK series 6 boom , which on this basis, I would advise to ANYONE! In
fact his nickname is "the destroyer" and these warranty claims make a
mockery of us honest windsurfers.

I like all windsurfers, few are 'dicks', but some have a bad day out
and come on the 'net for a good old complain session and its hard to
know who tells the truth and who is pissed off.


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