How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Richard Beaudo » Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:52:14


Suggestion needed to seperate a 2 piece mast.

Friend of mine has a 2 piece mast which both pieces got stuck together after
rigging on the beach. We tried tying one end to a post and both of us pulling
all our might on the other end but the thing wouldn't budge. He also tried
using penetrating oil, again, no success. Now I'm hopping someone in the
group may have a suggestion.

Richard

 
 
 

How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Robert Michaels » Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:39:49


Quote:
>Suggestion needed to seperate a 2 piece mast.

>Friend of mine has a 2 piece mast which both pieces got stuck together after
>rigging on the beach. We tried tying one end to a post and both of us pulling
>all our might on the other end but the thing wouldn't budge. He also tried
>using penetrating oil, again, no success. Now I'm hopping someone in the
>group may have a suggestion.

>Richard

when you try pulling it apart with one end tied to a post, make sure
that the line connecting the post to the mast has about two feet of
slack. jerk the mast and when the line gets taught, the impact forces
will be much higher than if you just pull against the line. the drawback
is that 9 times out of 10 you fall on your but when it separates.
if that doesn't work sometimes rolling the mast up to the post with
the line rapped around it works. when the mast gets tight up against
the post, get you and your friend to twist in the same direction holding
one end of the mast, with the other end being held by the post.  this
will apply more force at the joint than just a static pull.

if these fail, try a car jack. seriously, when i spent 3 months in maui
about seven years ago, i didn't separate my mast the whole time i was
there. needless to say it was really stuck.  when i needed to get it
apart, i tied one end of the mast to a tree, and set the car jack horizontally
against a curb. i tied the moving end of the car jack to the mast and
cranked.  that sucker built up some serious tension. when the mast let
go, it shot about 20 feet.
anyhow, good luck!
rob

 
 
 

How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Cris Han » Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:46:53

Quote:

> Suggestion needed to seperate a 2 piece mast.

> Friend of mine has a 2 piece mast which both pieces got stuck together after
> rigging on the beach. We tried tying one end to a post and both of us pulling
> all our might on the other end but the thing wouldn't budge. He also tried
> using penetrating oil, again, no success. Now I'm hopping someone in the
> group may have a suggestion.

Get a couple more friends together, so that you have two on each end of the
mast, twist and pull - wha-lah.  I've never had one stuck badly enough that
this didn't work.

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How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Andy Wolfsbe » Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:15:12

Quote:

>Suggestion needed to seperate a 2 piece mast.

>Friend of mine has a 2 piece mast which both pieces got stuck together after
>rigging on the beach. We tried tying one end to a post and both of us pulling
>all our might on the other end but the thing wouldn't budge. He also tried
>using penetrating oil, again, no success. Now I'm hopping someone in the
>group may have a suggestion.

>Richard

I've solved this one before. :-)

You're mast tapers from the LARGE end to the small end.
Secure a rope from a post to the large end to a post.
Because of the taper, the rope shouldn't be able to slide
off the mast.  It is a good idea to use a lot of coils
around the mast.

Now the hard part.

tie one end of a long sturdy rope to your bumper or trailor hitch.
The other end is going to have to attach to the top of the mast but will
be pulled in the direction of lessening diameter (bummer).  What you do
is create a strap wrench in a sense.  You wrap the rope around the mast
a number of times ans then feed the remaining rope off at something
like a 90 degree angle. Your friend holds this TIGHT and pulls while
you drive the car. You'll have to experiment with optimal rope wrapping
techniques and where to orient the end of the rope that your friend
holds.  Damn, if I were a poet and not an enginerd, I could probably
describe this better.  One thing about the coiling on the small end,
The rope your friend holds should be fed between the mast and the rope
heading off to the trailor hitch after all of the coiling is done.

GOOD LUCK

The mast I freed up couldn't be separated by 6 people pulling on the
ends.

Andy

 
 
 

How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Robert Poortin » Sun, 13 Sep 1992 07:30:52

Quote:

>Suggestion needed to seperate a 2 piece mast.

Anyone ever try heating the top part around the joint with a hair dryer?
I'll bet that it helps.

Bob Poortinga  (6'0", 180 lbs)      It's a hard wind that's gonna blow...

 
 
 

How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Edward Wils » Sun, 13 Sep 1992 10:24:19

Here's how I unstick a 2pc mast without using an automobile, post, jackhammer,
hair dryer, car jack, or a bunch of strong friends:

I basically make a pair of strap wrenches (see below), and attach one to each
piece of mast, as close to the joint as possible, but not over the ferrule.
I twist them in opposite directions, and once I twist hard enough, the joint
unsticks and rotates.  Once I break the stick by twisting, it is usually easy
to pull the pieces apart while continuing to twist.

A strap wrench allows you to grip the mast very tightly without damaging it,
as you would if you used a big set of vise-grips.  They are sold commercially,
some oil-filter wrenches are strap wrenches, but they can be easily put together
using windsurfing equipment.

Take a board tie-down strap and tightly wrap it around the mast (at least ~5
times) - important things are that it's tight, and previous layers are
underneath later layers - this way, as you pull on the strap, it not only tries
to twist the mast, but also tries to tighten the grip on the mast.  To get extra
leverage, wrap the free end around a mast extension, boom extension, second
mast, etc.  If the mast/strap interface is too slick, it will still slip, so I
use an extra trick to prevent this:  I wrap the closed cell neoprene sleeves I
cut off my wetsuit around the mast before I wrap the strap on.

When attaching the second strap wrench, make sure it tightens when twisted in
the opposite direction.

This has worked at least half a dozen times with masts way too stuck for even
four people to untwist.  It is easier with two people, but I've done it
single-handed.  

This technique has not failed me yet, but if it ever does, I'd rather call
it a one-piece mast than try something that might damage the mast or myself.

Ed Wilson
Mistral Energy, Hi-Tech 8'6", and WindWings

P.S.  A while ago, I had posted, asking for help regarding breaking downhauls
and mast extensions.  Following the net's advice, I got a solid-looking Chinook
extension, and a Chinook grommet pulley that have been holding up very well.  
I highly recommend the Chinook pulleys - they don't cost you any "gap" and make
it easier to downhaul your sails (easier => less stress on equipment => less
breakage).  In fact, I haven't broken anything since I got it.

 
 
 

How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Richard Engelbrecht-Wigga » Sun, 13 Sep 1992 11:07:19


Quote:


>>Suggestion needed to seperate a 2 piece mast.

>Anyone ever try heating the top part around the joint with a hair dryer?
>I'll bet that it helps.

I once used a heat gun to get an aluminum tip extension off of an epoxy mast.
I know that epoxy has quite a coefficient of expansion, so I first left the
whole mess outside one subzero winter night.  Then I heated the extension
(rather quickly, so that the heat wouldn't get to the mast) and everything
came apart easily.  I had expected that this might damage the extension (and
was willing to do so to rescue the mast), but it still serves me well.

If the female jointed end of the stuck mast is metal, the same trick might
work.  If it is non-metalic, I am not sure that you can get one piece
heated quickly enough to expand before the other does too...especially
since you are probably not willing (as I was) to damage the piece that you
are heating.

Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans          Those who can, teach;
                                     those who can't, don't;


 
 
 

How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Payman Khali » Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:22:57


Quote:

>Here's how I unstick a 2pc mast without using an automobile, post, jackhammer,
>hair dryer, car jack, or a bunch of strong friends:

>I basically make a pair of strap wrenches (see below), and attach one to each
>piece of mast, as close to the joint as possible, but not over the ferrule.
>I twist them in opposite directions, and once I twist hard enough, the joint
>unsticks and rotates.  Once I break the stick by twisting, it is usually easy
>to pull the pieces apart while continuing to twist.

Here's an even better way without using strap wrenches:

Put a clamp-on boom on one part of the mast and another on the other.
The leverage which you get at the end of the booms will allow you to
twist open even the tightest stuck masts.  And, you don't even need
tools - everyone has a clamp-on boom these days.

-Payman

 
 
 

How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Keith R. Jure » Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:00:44

Quote:

>Suggestion needed to seperate a 2 piece mast.

>Friend of mine has a 2 piece mast which both pieces got stuck together after
>rigging on the beach. We tried tying one end to a post and both of us pulling
>all our might on the other end but the thing wouldn't budge. He also tried
>using penetrating oil, again, no success. Now I'm hopping someone in the
>group may have a suggestion.

>Richard

bject, like a truck bumper.  Then tie another rope to the other end.  I
know the readers on the group know their knots so do these right.  the hitting
end of a baseball bat.  Swing the bat so that the rope (and mast) are taut
at the end of the swing.  Impulse is the name of this game and it WORKS!
Had the mast base stuck inside the mast due to the nice corse sand at
Corpus Cristi North Beach.  (tongue twister)  Took 5-10 good swings but it
turned loose.  Be careful when it starts moving as the last swing will surprise
you.  Also use pre-streched rope as the impulse is dampened less.
 
 
 

How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Bill Monhemi » Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:09:36

Quote:

>Suggestion needed to seperate a 2 piece mast.

Ah yes, the dreaded stuck 2 piece mast problem!  My solution, although probably
not new, seems to work.  If you have a detachable boom front end, or even if
you don't, secure the clamp to one of the pieces near the seam.  Wedge the
clamp or boom inside of some stationary object like a picknik table.  Then
grab the other peice and start turning it.  It helps when you have a buddy
who can help.  Also if you have a second boom you can clamp it to the other
peice to make things much more easy.

The trick is to secure the boom clamps as tight as possible without
damaging the mast.  Also try not to leave the sail in the water especially
when the water is sooty - I think this has been the culprit for me every
time I've had the problem.

Anyways - good luck!  It shouldn't be to hard to fix.

-Bill

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How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Wilton Ha » Thu, 17 Sep 1992 04:14:21

Quote:
>P.S.  A while ago, I had posted, asking for help regarding breaking downhauls
>and mast extensions.  Following the net's advice, I got a solid-looking
>Chinook extension, and a Chinook grommet pulley that have been holding up very
>well.  I highly recommend the Chinook pulleys - they don't cost you any "gap"
>and make it easier to downhaul your sails (easier => less stress on equipment
>=> less breakage).  In fact, I haven't broken anything since I got it.

Chinook has changed their mast base and extension diameter from last year to
this year.  This means last years base will not fit with this years extension
very well.  The 1992 is smaller in diameter than 1991.

The cup on one of my mastbases needed replacing so I went to a shop and
purchased a new one.  I found out that it was too small for my 5 extensions.
I went back to the shop and asked what was going on.  That was when I found
out about the change.

This will only effect you if you have several bases and extensions and plan
to exchange them.  My wife and I both sail and we exchange sails almost
every day we sail.  She uses 1/2 meter smaller sail than I do and rerigging
the extension so we can swap would be a BIG pain.

Chinook is built in the Gorge and they generally make good gear but I am not
going to buy a mast base that cannot interchange with last years gear.


 
 
 

How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Tim Costel » Thu, 17 Sep 1992 22:36:29


Quote:

> Chinook has changed their mast base and extension diameter from last year to
> this year.  This means last years base will not fit with this years extension
> very well.  The 1992 is smaller in diameter than 1991.

> The cup on one of my mastbases needed replacing so I went to a shop and
> purchased a new one.  I found out that it was too small for my 5 extensions.
> I went back to the shop and asked what was going on.  That was when I found
> out about the change.

        They did?  I Just bought a new Chinook base 2 weeks ago.  It fits
both my Chinook extensions - one 1991 and one 1990.  Did I miss something
here?

--
Tim Costello
Du Pont Merck Pharmaceutical

 
 
 

How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Edward Wils » Fri, 18 Sep 1992 01:55:00

Quote:

>> Chinook has changed their mast base and extension diameter from last year to
>> this year.  This means last years base will not fit with this years extension
>> very well.  The 1992 is smaller in diameter than 1991.

>> The cup on one of my mastbases needed replacing so I went to a shop and
>> purchased a new one.  I found out that it was too small for my 5 extensions.
>> I went back to the shop and asked what was going on.  That was when I found
>> out about the change.

>    They did?  I Just bought a new Chinook base 2 weeks ago.  It fits
>both my Chinook extensions - one 1991 and one 1990.  Did I miss something
>here?

>--
>Tim Costello
>Du Pont Merck Pharmaceutical


I can't understand why they would do it, but I can believe Chinook reduced the
diameter of the cup and extensions.  I think they used to be fully compatible
with Fleetwood and Streamlined (at least), since those are the bases I have.
When I got the new Chinook extension, both bases fit snugly when a sail is not
rigged, but the slight deformation once the downhaul is applied causes it to
be very snug.  It still fit, but was quite difficult to put on and take off.
I solved this by grinding off enough plastic from each cup to make them fit
easily when rigged.  The plastic is pretty thick to begin with, and I probably
only took off .030", so I think they're still strong enough.

Since the cup diameter reduced, and reduced very slightly, a new base should
still fit older extensions with no problem.

Has anyone else had problems with an old base and new extension?


Stanford Aerospace Robotics Lab
Mistral Energy, Hi-Tech 8'6", Windwings, and Chinook!

P.S.  Speaking of slight incompatibilities, I think the Powerex masts have just
a slightly smaller base inner diameter than everyone else.  I had to grind down
the hard plastic shims on the Chinook base to make them fit (actually they did
it for me at the shop when I bought it - glad I brought my mast with me).

 
 
 

How To Unstuck a 2 Piece Mast

Post by Roger Christ » Fri, 18 Sep 1992 02:27:19


Quote:

>When I got the new Chinook extension, both bases fit snugly when a sail is not
>rigged, but the slight deformation once the downhaul is applied causes it to
>be very snug.  It still fit, but was quite difficult to put on and take off.

Yes, and Chinook will GLADLY replace the bottom section of your
extension (for a price, of course) so that it won't deform when you
downhaul your sails.

My sailing partner and I both have the same problem.  My 91 extension
deforms when a sail is rigged and my 92 extension doesn't.  My partner
just had the plastic portion at the base of his extension replaced by
Chinook for something like $20 - $30.  It doesn't deform anymore.
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