Windwing: Kiteboarding has been Cancelled

Windwing: Kiteboarding has been Cancelled

Post by ratho.. » Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:26:01


http://windwing.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=823&PN=1

I hope this does not also spell death for the windsurfing division
(although I received an ominous sounding email today from a friend).
My first set of sails were 'wings and I learned to sail in Berkeley,
Windwing's backyard for many years.  It would be a shame for them to go
away.

kev

 
 
 

Windwing: Kiteboarding has been Cancelled

Post by Brian M » Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:36:12

Very interesting!  Someone posted something on their forum about a
week ago.  The admin's took it off by the next morning.  

Wonder what will happen to the sail line? Never heard too much about
the sails and their development which made me believe Bill was
concentrating more on kite development, but I could easily be wrong.

Wonder if we'll see Bill, break away from their current corporate
situation (structure) and start something else? You are righ Kev, it
would be a shame to see the WW logo disappear as they they are a part
of the windsurfing history!

Bri


Quote:
>http://windwing.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=823&PN=1

>I hope this does not also spell death for the windsurfing division
>(although I received an ominous sounding email today from a friend).
>My first set of sails were 'wings and I learned to sail in Berkeley,
>Windwing's backyard for many years.  It would be a shame for them to go
>away.

>kev


 
 
 

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Post by wsurf » Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:35:53

Quote:

> would be a shame to see the WW logo disappear as they they are a part
> of the windsurfing history!

I guess we should wait and see first before we get too nostalgic. That
said, I am in the mood. I remember back in 1983, when I was a freshman
in Austin, and saw a kid I sailed Sears Cup against on the water with
one of Bill's sails. His name was Rick, and I knew he and his buddy
were getting pretty heavily into windsurfing a few years earlier. I
just took one look at the sail, and was blown away. The quality was a
night and day difference from the production Gaastra and NP stuff we
had at the time. They were heavier, but totally built right (from the
materials, stitching, grommets, to the shape). Rick could rip too.

I saw Rick four years later living in the Gorge in the heyday working
at one of the big shops. He probably pissed Wardog off...it was those
days he has talked about before.

Bill has always been a innovator (and will be a Hall of Famer), and I
always liked the fact he would rub elbows with many of us on
rec.windsurfing and offer his views and advice. Windwing is a different
beast now, but the time have changed a lot too. I hope this a minor
thing.

 
 
 

Windwing: Kiteboarding has been Cancelled

Post by GeorgeUSA3 » Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:28:38

Devon's comments on the website don't warm my heart. I hope they
survive as well. I think they have the best formula boom design out
there and are supposed to have a slalom version, but that was supposed
to have been deliever almost a year ago and it keeps getting pushed
out. I hope we are wrong.
 
 
 

Windwing: Kiteboarding has been Cancelled

Post by LeeD » Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:32:10

  Saw the big Windwing Van in Berkeley yesterday driving W on Hearst,
late in the afternoon.
 
 
 

Windwing: Kiteboarding has been Cancelled

Post by ratho.. » Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:35:40

yeah, Wyatt's back in town for the weekend. Rob is off Windwing now...
switched to Mistral/North.

kev

 
 
 

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Post by windmtn_p.. » Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:13:39

I was a loyal Windwing customer back in the 80's.... they certainly
made some great, bomber sails back then.  My loyalty switched to
Northwave when I moved here to the Gorge and discovered that
lightweight sails make such a HUGE difference with smaller gear.  They
were always so friendly until recent years.  Seems they became a high
pressure Gorge shop to try and push sales, and it backfired on 'em.
Thanks to the "expert" windsurfing salesperson at Windwing in HR who
set me straight by saying my sailing must really "SUCK" (!!) because I
don't own Windwings LATEST and GREATEST sails.  Yeah, my sailing really
'SUCKS', dude.  Fact,  just got home from 3 hours on the water at
Stevenson in a wonderfully awesome 3.7  'sucky' sesh.  : )

-- Wind Mtn. Pete

Quote:

> http://windwing.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=823&PN=1

> I hope this does not also spell death for the windsurfing division
> (although I received an ominous sounding email today from a friend).
> My first set of sails were 'wings and I learned to sail in Berkeley,
> Windwing's backyard for many years.  It would be a shame for them to go
> away.

> kev

 
 
 

Windwing: Kiteboarding has been Cancelled

Post by (PeteCresswell » Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:20:36


Quote:
>they certainly
>made some great, bomber sails back then.  My loyalty switched to
>Northwave

One thing I discovered the hard way about WindWing was that in loading their
cambers against the mast.  In doing so they wear away the mast causing eventual
failure.

Noticed this on day one, but People Who Knew (supposedly) said "noooo problem".
Not!
--
PeteCresswell

 
 
 

Windwing: Kiteboarding has been Cancelled

Post by Charles L » Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:06:40

Quote:

> One thing I discovered the hard way about WindWing was that in loading their
> cambers against the mast.  In doing so they wear away the mast causing eventual
> failure.

How long ago was this?  The roller cams on my '05 Hammer rotate
beautifully.  I've sailed it over 20 times to date without so much as a
scratch on the mast -- indeed, I've never had such little mast wear
from cams.

I'm really sorry, but not suprised I suppose, to hear about WW's woes.
I hope they continue to make windsurfing sails.

The stories about arrogant salesmen ring all too true.  I'll never
forget one guy in Hatteras telling an intermediate sailor she should
get out of the "kiddie pool" (i.e., Pamlico Sound) and sail the
ocean...

 
 
 

Windwing: Kiteboarding has been Cancelled

Post by (PeteCresswell » Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:28:45

Per Charles L.:

Quote:
>How long ago was this?

Too long, I guess....  These cams were just bare plastic, directly bonded to the
battens so that batten tension was transferred to the mast through the cams.
--
PeteCresswell
 
 
 

Windwing: Kiteboarding has been Cancelled

Post by BigK » Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:02:31

FYI, I just got an email from WindWing customer service and they said
that things will continue to be "business is usual" for them in all
respects except that some products (refering to kites) will be delayed.

Although I haven't dealt with WW very much, they have impressed me to be
a top-notch company and although I'm sorry to hear they're current kite
production is being held up, I'm very happy to hear they will continue
to be in business.

 
 
 

Windwing: Kiteboarding has been Cancelled

Post by Brian M » Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:14:52

Bill's comments off the kite forum:

Recent decisions by the current management effectively ended my 24
year association with the
Windwing brand as of Dec 15th 2005. The deception of customers and
supporters does not represent the
business philosophy and tradition I strived to create over the 20
years in which I was the founder
and principle owner. Therefore I am making this announcement to
eliminate any confusion or
misconception as to my relationship with the company or it's future
products or services. This is a
sad day for me and, from the comments here and in other forums, those
who viewed the Bird logo and
my associated design talents with respect. I deeply appreciate the
many positive statements
regarding my work and hope to continue in the wind sports business as
a designer, R&D consultant or
product manager. I sincerely hope Windwing will carry on the tradition
of innovation and customer
service I helped to establish.
Best regards to you all,
- Bill Hansen


Quote:
>http://windwing.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=823&PN=1

>I hope this does not also spell death for the windsurfing division
>(although I received an ominous sounding email today from a friend).
>My first set of sails were 'wings and I learned to sail in Berkeley,
>Windwing's backyard for many years.  It would be a shame for them to go
>away.

>kev

 
 
 

Windwing: Kiteboarding has been Cancelled

Post by Brian M » Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:16:12

Oops, missed Bill's post...sorry for duplicate.



Quote:
>Bill's comments off the kite forum:

>Recent decisions by the current management effectively ended my 24
>year association with the
>Windwing brand as of Dec 15th 2005. The deception of customers and
>supporters does not represent the
>business philosophy and tradition I strived to create over the 20
>years in which I was the founder
>and principle owner. Therefore I am making this announcement to
>eliminate any confusion or
>misconception as to my relationship with the company or it's future
>products or services. This is a
>sad day for me and, from the comments here and in other forums, those
>who viewed the Bird logo and
>my associated design talents with respect. I deeply appreciate the
>many positive statements
>regarding my work and hope to continue in the wind sports business as
>a designer, R&D consultant or
>product manager. I sincerely hope Windwing will carry on the tradition
>of innovation and customer
>service I helped to establish.
>Best regards to you all,
>- Bill Hansen


>>http://windwing.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=823&PN=1

>>I hope this does not also spell death for the windsurfing division
>>(although I received an ominous sounding email today from a friend).
>>My first set of sails were 'wings and I learned to sail in Berkeley,
>>Windwing's backyard for many years.  It would be a shame for them to go
>>away.

>>kev

 
 
 

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Post by Anthony Boese » Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:28:43

Yea, I almost left Windwing because of some very POOR Sales people in
the HR Store.  Instead, I bought my Windwings in Portland where I did
not have to deal with the attitude. As of late the store in Hood River
seems to have gotten better.  A clue to windsurfing stores, treat your
customers right or expect to lose them.

Anthony  (A loyal Windwing rider for 16+ years)

Quote:

> I was a loyal Windwing customer back in the 80's.... they certainly
> made some great, bomber sails back then.  My loyalty switched to
> Northwave when I moved here to the Gorge and discovered that
> lightweight sails make such a HUGE difference with smaller gear.  They
> were always so friendly until recent years.  Seems they became a high
> pressure Gorge shop to try and push sales, and it backfired on 'em.
> Thanks to the "expert" windsurfing salesperson at Windwing in HR who
> set me straight by saying my sailing must really "SUCK" (!!) because I
> don't own Windwings LATEST and GREATEST sails.  Yeah, my sailing really
> 'SUCKS', dude.  Fact,  just got home from 3 hours on the water at
> Stevenson in a wonderfully awesome 3.7  'sucky' sesh.  : )

> -- Wind Mtn. Pete


>>http://windwing.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=823&PN=1

>>I hope this does not also spell death for the windsurfing division
>>(although I received an ominous sounding email today from a friend).
>>My first set of sails were 'wings and I learned to sail in Berkeley,
>>Windwing's backyard for many years.  It would be a shame for them to go
>>away.

>>kev

 
 
 

Windwing: Kiteboarding has been Cancelled

Post by GeorgeUSA3 » Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:25:10

Holm who currently runs the HR Windswing store is a good egg who
windsurfs and kites and knows his stuff. He also follows through.
Quote:

> Yea, I almost left Windwing because of some very POOR Sales people in
> the HR Store.  Instead, I bought my Windwings in Portland where I did
> not have to deal with the attitude. As of late the store in Hood River
> seems to have gotten better.  A clue to windsurfing stores, treat your
> customers right or expect to lose them.

> Anthony  (A loyal Windwing rider for 16+ years)


> > I was a loyal Windwing customer back in the 80's.... they certainly
> > made some great, bomber sails back then.  My loyalty switched to
> > Northwave when I moved here to the Gorge and discovered that
> > lightweight sails make such a HUGE difference with smaller gear.  They
> > were always so friendly until recent years.  Seems they became a high
> > pressure Gorge shop to try and push sales, and it backfired on 'em.
> > Thanks to the "expert" windsurfing salesperson at Windwing in HR who
> > set me straight by saying my sailing must really "SUCK" (!!) because I
> > don't own Windwings LATEST and GREATEST sails.  Yeah, my sailing really
> > 'SUCKS', dude.  Fact,  just got home from 3 hours on the water at
> > Stevenson in a wonderfully awesome 3.7  'sucky' sesh.  : )

> > -- Wind Mtn. Pete


> >>http://windwing.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=823&PN=1

> >>I hope this does not also spell death for the windsurfing division
> >>(although I received an ominous sounding email today from a friend).
> >>My first set of sails were 'wings and I learned to sail in Berkeley,
> >>Windwing's backyard for many years.  It would be a shame for them to go
> >>away.

> >>kev