Recommendations for F2 Wave 255 and SimerStyle sails

Recommendations for F2 Wave 255 and SimerStyle sails

Post by thierry.leje.. » Tue, 08 Apr 1997 04:00:00


Hi, i have the above equipment.
I have problems in using it : the board is permanently spinning out
and turning upwind.
I have 24 and 22 cm fins and the pb remains the same.
i have tried the most front and back position of the mast on the board
and the front one improves only a little the behaviour.
Does any one has idea on how to tune this??

I have heard that other boards (AHD 255 II, ACE 252) do have
frequent spins out. Is this also the case for this F2 255 board?

If this is the case, which waveboard may be more accessible?
May be the combination of the sails and the board is not good:

The F2 255 is very no-nose and the sails are very mast long and boom short.

Any ideas?? Regards.

 
 
 

Recommendations for F2 Wave 255 and SimerStyle sails

Post by Wolfgang Soerge » Tue, 08 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Hi, i have the above equipment.
> I have problems in using it : the board is permanently spinning out
> and turning upwind.
> I have 24 and 22 cm fins and the pb remains the same.
> i have tried the most front and back position of the mast on the board
> and the front one improves only a little the behaviour.
> Does any one has idea on how to tune this??

> I have heard that other boards (AHD 255 II, ACE 252) do have
> frequent spins out. Is this also the case for this F2 255 board?

> If this is the case, which waveboard may be more accessible?
> May be the combination of the sails and the board is not good:

> The F2 255 is very no-nose and the sails are very mast long and boom short.

surf rag pinpoints the spin outs of the AHD and Ace waveboards down to
the
fin (both use the same seraial fin). I can't comment on that from
personal
experience.
However i rode the F2 Wave 255 (with North Sails, i think it was a 5.0
Zeta and 5.5 or so Vertigo) and a rather large (around 28-30 cm,
i don;t remember exactly) convertible style fin (i rented
the board on Hatteras in the beginning of the season and it was the only
decent fin the shop had for us box. Besides that hands up for the shop,
Kitty Hawk in Avon).

To me the board diod not feel very nonosey, no problems with spinout
whatsoever.
( I'm a lightweight at 140 lbs. however, the baest would be far too
large
as a real waveboard for me). I found the board to be very easy to ride,
jibes
very easy even relatively tight radii, good jumper , maybe even a tad
boring
after a while. Definitely not a "hard to sail skate style" board.

So you might consider trying a larger fin or (this is what i use right
now on my
custom) a slotted, stiff small fin. The later still may get an
occasional
"micro spinout" but is very easy to recover. I also found fins with a
thick
profile to be easier to handle / recover after a stall than thinnly
profiled ones
(which are a bit faster on the straight line but that's not the purpose
of a waveboard)

You could also try to lower the boom a bit to increase preassure on the
front foot,
this should reduce spin-outs as well.

Or improve your technique, i know
that most of my spin outs are due to pilot error, not equipment
malfunction:
+ If you spin out when landing jumps, nose first landing or turning off
the wind
  while airborne helps.
+ If you spin out in choppy conditions straighten the front leg, keep
the back
  leg slightly bent, "stand on the board". The stance on a waveboard is
more upright
  than on a racing board.
+ If you spin going upwind: Larger Fin or weight more forward.
+ Spin out in turns / jibes: More "feeling", don't kick the board into a
turn but
  push gently first and then tighten the turn if desired, keeping your
weight over
  the board and knees soft.  possibly a smaller fin.
+ If you are new to such short boards: Keep on practicing, sheet in
fully and
  "go fast".

Another idea would be to try the sails on another board and see if you
have the
same difficulty there. If you don't do already, downhaul the ***out of
the sails
and also give them a fair amount of outhaul - badly trimmed "baggy"
sails
also increase sideway pressure and spin outs.

--
Wolfgang Soergel                  
Lehrstuhl fuer Nachrichtentechnik   phone: ++49-9131-857781
Universitaet Erlangen-Nuernberg     fax:   ++49-9131-303840
Cauerstrasse 7                      email:

D-91058 Erlangen, GERMANY
http://SportToday.org/~wsoergel

 
 
 

Recommendations for F2 Wave 255 and SimerStyle sails

Post by Thierry Lejeun » Wed, 09 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Great advice, Wolfgang!
Is it possible that the behaviour comes from a strong downwind stream??

What is surprising is that i did not have these pbs with a Mistral
Eruption,
then with a Tiga 259.

The fact that the sails are very mast long may influence the pressure on
the
mast base??

 
 
 

Recommendations for F2 Wave 255 and SimerStyle sails

Post by Riccardo Fregg » Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Hey Thierry,

apart from spinout, was there a big difference between riding the TIGA 259 or the F2????

I have to decide which one to buy..... for bump&jump + some wave.

Thanks

 
 
 

Recommendations for F2 Wave 255 and SimerStyle sails

Post by Francois THIENO » Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Hey Thierry,

> apart from spinout, was there a big difference between riding the TIGA 259 or the F2????

> I have to decide which one to buy..... for bump&jump + some wave.

> Thanks

Oh ! Yes !

Differents are very big into the two boards !
The Tiga is in *Duratene* (or something like that) and the weight is
higher,
and the board is *smooth*. The 259 replace the oldie 257 and the program
is for
free-riding.
The 97' 255 Wave F2 is in hard materiel and it is a *professional*
board,
but it is easy to use and more wave oriented like a T259.
The price is more different ....

Francois
--
No Wind, No Fun, No FUTURE !
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Recommendations for F2 Wave 255 and SimerStyle sails

Post by Wolfgang Soerge » Sat, 12 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


> > Hey Thierry,

> > apart from spinout, was there a big difference between riding the TIGA 259 or the F2????

> > I have to decide which one to buy..... for bump&jump + some wave.

> > Thanks
> Oh ! Yes !

> Differents are very big into the two boards !
> The Tiga is in *Duratene* (or something like that) and the weight is
> higher,
> and the board is *smooth*. The 259 replace the oldie 257 and the program
> is for
> free-riding.
> The 97' 255 Wave F2 is in hard materiel and it is a *professional*
> board,
> but it is easy to use and more wave oriented like a T259.
> The price is more different ....

Just a word of caution: Don;t confuse the F2 255 wave (1994 - 1996
models)
with the F2 254 wave from 1997. They are different shapes !

And with respect to "profesional": Care to explain why a Tiga could not
be a
professional board ? Especially compared to the F2s which are
essentially the
same weight (all weigh around 8 kg) ?

--
Wolfgang Soergel                  
Lehrstuhl fuer Nachrichtentechnik   phone: ++49-9131-857781
Universitaet Erlangen-Nuernberg     fax:   ++49-9131-303840
Cauerstrasse 7                      email:

D-91058 Erlangen, GERMANY
http://www.nt.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de/~wsoergel

 
 
 

Recommendations for F2 Wave 255 and SimerStyle sails

Post by Riccardo Fregg » Sun, 13 Apr 1997 04:00:00

My  question exactly.  Now I'm on a Tiga 257 and it's main benefit is that ALL my friends have broken about a
board every year and I haven't.  It does feel a bit of a *** duckie though.  Hence the agonizing question
of wether to upgrade to a 259 or a F2.  I'm losing my sleep over this.

 
 
 

Recommendations for F2 Wave 255 and SimerStyle sails

Post by Thierry Lejeun » Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Ricardo,
there was a big difference!!
The tiga is as all Tiga quite heavy  and has soft moves. It is not very
fast. However it is (for me) much close to a freeride board than the F2
one.
If you practise more B&J than Wave really, then i would say choose the
259, and moreover you will have robust equipment.
F2 is more a Waveboard for surfing.

Regards.

 
 
 

Recommendations for F2 Wave 255 and SimerStyle sails

Post by Thierry Lejeun » Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Ricardo:
here is a piece of advice : having read all the mail thread about your
question : choose a 259 and have a good sleep, you won't regret it!