i broke my toe. ouch!

i broke my toe. ouch!

Post by Ellen Falle » Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:33:26


Hi Jeff,
   I've broken a toe twice on vacations for a related reason. I tend to
wear booties on vacation as well as at home, but it is the slightly
different placement of the straps from my own boards that caught me. I'd
  go with confidence to shove my foot in the strap, and wham, ouch, agony.
   Now I'm more careful until I'm confident where that strap is.
Ellen
 
 
 

i broke my toe. ouch!

Post by sm.. » Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:59:07

Quote:

> Hi Jeff,
>    I've broken a toe twice on vacations for a related reason. I tend
to
> wear booties on vacation as well as at home, but it is the slightly
> different placement of the straps from my own boards that caught me.
I'd
>   go with confidence to shove my foot in the strap, and wham, ouch,
agony.
>    Now I'm more careful until I'm confident where that strap is.
> Ellen

When you're on vacation, you're much more likely to be sailing
different boards, and even to switch several times in one day. So I've
learned to be sure to test the footstraps before I head out, and then
be patient enough to sail back to land and readjust them if they're not
right.
I recently sailed Jericoacoara and used one board the whole trip, which
is kind of the European system of rental. I was able to set the
footstraps the first day and not worry about them. Quite a relief.

 
 
 

i broke my toe. ouch!

Post by Ben Kaufma » Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:39:37

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:59:29 -0800, Paul Braunbehrens

Quote:



>> 3) My feet stay in the straps better with booties

>> 4) Less injuries to feet when sailing = more sailing time and a better
>> windsurfing vacation experience. ;-)

>I agree that you get less foot injuries when sailing with booties, but
>that's SMALL injuries.  If your foot doesn't come out when it should,
>you might break your foot (as I did) or your ankle, and miss the whole
>season.  I think I'd rather have a few small injuries than one big one.

>I'd be interested in hearing more opinions on this issue.

One of those "small" injuries could result in a *** infection.

Ben

 
 
 

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Post by Rox » Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:10:41

Quote:

> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:59:29 -0800, Paul Braunbehrens



> >> 3) My feet stay in the straps better with booties

> >> 4) Less injuries to feet when sailing = more sailing time and a
better
> >> windsurfing vacation experience. ;-)

> >I agree that you get less foot injuries when sailing with booties,
but
> >that's SMALL injuries.  If your foot doesn't come out when it
should,
> >you might break your foot (as I did) or your ankle, and miss the
whole
> >season.  I think I'd rather have a few small injuries than one big
one.

> >I'd be interested in hearing more opinions on this issue.

Jeff,
I damaged my toe on Thanksgiving day getting ready at 3 am to fly to
Florida to windsurf and visit my father. I ran into a table in the
dark. I too did not think much of it.Well today after wearing a hard
sole shoe for months and lots of x-rays it is still not windsurfable.
They are saying it is the tendon that is messed up. Well, I am headed
to Hatteras in four weeks and can totally relate to your pain. I am
thinking no shoe as they hurt!
Rox. I also wonder about what Ben is saying.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> One of those "small" injuries could result in a *** infection.

> Ben

 
 
 

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Post by Rox » Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:10:35

Quote:

> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:59:29 -0800, Paul Braunbehrens



> >> 3) My feet stay in the straps better with booties

> >> 4) Less injuries to feet when sailing = more sailing time and a
better
> >> windsurfing vacation experience. ;-)

> >I agree that you get less foot injuries when sailing with booties,
but
> >that's SMALL injuries.  If your foot doesn't come out when it
should,
> >you might break your foot (as I did) or your ankle, and miss the
whole
> >season.  I think I'd rather have a few small injuries than one big
one.

> >I'd be interested in hearing more opinions on this issue.

Jeff,
I damaged my toe on Thanksgiving day getting ready at 3 am to fly to
Florida to windsurf and visit my father. I ran into a table in the
dark. I too did not think much of it.Well today after wearing a hard
sole shoe for months and lots of x-rays it is still not windsurfable.
They are saying it is the tendon that is messed up. Well, I am headed
to Hatteras in four weeks and can totally relate to your pain. I am
thinking no shoe as they hurt!
Rox. I also wonder about what Ben is saying.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> One of those "small" injuries could result in a *** infection.

> Ben

 
 
 

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Post by Rox » Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:10:37

Quote:

> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:59:29 -0800, Paul Braunbehrens



> >> 3) My feet stay in the straps better with booties

> >> 4) Less injuries to feet when sailing = more sailing time and a
better
> >> windsurfing vacation experience. ;-)

> >I agree that you get less foot injuries when sailing with booties,
but
> >that's SMALL injuries.  If your foot doesn't come out when it
should,
> >you might break your foot (as I did) or your ankle, and miss the
whole
> >season.  I think I'd rather have a few small injuries than one big
one.

> >I'd be interested in hearing more opinions on this issue.

Jeff,
I damaged my toe on Thanksgiving day getting ready at 3 am to fly to
Florida to windsurf and visit my father. I ran into a table in the
dark. I too did not think much of it.Well today after wearing a hard
sole shoe for months and lots of x-rays it is still not windsurfable.
They are saying it is the tendon that is messed up. Well, I am headed
to Hatteras in four weeks and can totally relate to your pain. I am
thinking no shoe as they hurt!
Rox. I also wonder about what Ben is saying.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

> One of those "small" injuries could result in a *** infection.

> Ben

 
 
 

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Post by jeff feeha » Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:06:32

Quote:

> Jeff,
> I damaged my toe on Thanksgiving day getting ready at 3 am to fly to
> Florida to windsurf and visit my father. I ran into a table in the
> dark. I too did not think much of it.Well today after wearing a hard
> sole shoe for months and lots of x-rays it is still not windsurfable.
> They are saying it is the tendon that is messed up. Well, I am headed
> to Hatteras in four weeks and can totally relate to your pain. I am
> thinking no shoe as they hurt!
> Rox. I also wonder about what Ben is saying.

>>One of those "small" injuries could result in a *** infection.

>>Ben

that sucks. i hope mine doesn't turn out like that. a fracture is
clearly visible on my x-ray, and hopefully that's all it is.

i hope 4 weeks is enough to get you back on the water.

as i said, the day after i hurt my toe was a beautiful 5.0 day,
the kind of day i go to cabarete for, and i felt like a total
idiot for missing it.

i guess ben is saying that booties protect your feet from small cuts,
which can get infected. those infections can be _really_ bad where
c***reefs are involved. i have heard of people needing to have large
amounts of skin and muscle cut away to save their foot. i have no
idea how common those infections are. but, even a small infection
could ruin a vacation.

i will definitely be reconsidering booties on vacation. i think i'll
probably wear them from now on.

booties would also save me for another, more minor, anoyance: i don't
skip light air days at cabarete - vela has excellent light air gear,
and i like to sail formula boards. as i said, i usually pump them
pretty vigorously. in fact, i pump pretty much all boards. the problem
is that the nonskid takes a few layers of skin off the bottom of my
toes (the wood construction starboards have pretty agressive non-skid)
the more i pump, the worse this problem is, and after a few days
i can end up bleeding. it doesn't stop me from sailing, and i tend not
to notice it too much on the water, but it can be painful, and might
get infected.

i think i'll get a new pair of booties.

jeff feehan

 
 
 

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Post by jeff feeha » Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:17:48

Quote:


>>i noticed some wind in the afternoon, but i didn't get near the water
>>to really see it. i don't think we had 30kts though.

>>i think you guys on l.i. are crazy  - it seems like everyone there
>>likes to windsurf in snow. don't you guys know that that's what lasers
>>are for?

> umm... I had no idea!
> ;-)

> Come on, Jeff - of all sailing vessels the experience on a Laser is just
> as wet and cold as on an 80 liter board.

> florian /FFF/

in some ways it's worse. you are much closer to the water, especially when
hiking out, and when the boat is planing, i constantly get sprayed in
the face.

jeff feehan

 
 
 

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Post by sm.. » Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:02:18

Quote:

> Maybe we need straps that release when a certain amount of force is
> applied... i.e. before a bone breaks.  Shouldn't be too hard to
> manufacture.

Something like this did exist once upon a time and there was quite a
bit of commentary about it on this newsgroup. I tried one but found it
very uncomfortable, but maybe I didn't have it mounted correctly.
Before I had a chance to follow up, the guy was bought out by one of
the big companies, who promptly dropped them.
But I think the injuries mentioned here are caused by accidentally
kicking the strap. Nothing but careful, controlled sailing prevent
that. You can stub your toe on a perfectly flat surface.
 
 
 

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Post by Dan Weis » Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:09:18

I think it was called the Toucan or something like that?

Quote:


>> Maybe we need straps that release when a certain amount of force is
>> applied... i.e. before a bone breaks.  Shouldn't be too hard to
>> manufacture.

> Something like this did exist once upon a time and there was quite a
> bit of commentary about it on this newsgroup. I tried one but found it
> very uncomfortable, but maybe I didn't have it mounted correctly.
> Before I had a chance to follow up, the guy was bought out by one of
> the big companies, who promptly dropped them.
> But I think the injuries mentioned here are caused by accidentally
> kicking the strap. Nothing but careful, controlled sailing prevent
> that. You can stub your toe on a perfectly flat surface.

 
 
 

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Post by Dan Weis » Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:54:11

Nope, just remembered... that was a releasable harness hook.. Went the way
of the Dodo.

-Dan

Quote:
>I think it was called the Toucan or something like that?



>>> Maybe we need straps that release when a certain amount of force is
>>> applied... i.e. before a bone breaks.  Shouldn't be too hard to
>>> manufacture.

>> Something like this did exist once upon a time and there was quite a
>> bit of commentary about it on this newsgroup. I tried one but found it
>> very uncomfortable, but maybe I didn't have it mounted correctly.
>> Before I had a chance to follow up, the guy was bought out by one of
>> the big companies, who promptly dropped them.
>> But I think the injuries mentioned here are caused by accidentally
>> kicking the strap. Nothing but careful, controlled sailing prevent
>> that. You can stub your toe on a perfectly flat surface.

 
 
 

i broke my toe. ouch!

Post by Jay Halfor » Tue, 29 Mar 2005 04:03:33

I always sail barefoot no matter what. I think its much easier to get in and
out of the straps this way.

Downside is my feet are cut up all the time, but just minor stuff from
rocks. I just pour hydro peroxide on em every day, no probs.


Quote:

>> Hi Jeff,
>>    I've broken a toe twice on vacations for a related reason. I tend
> to
>> wear booties on vacation as well as at home, but it is the slightly
>> different placement of the straps from my own boards that caught me.
> I'd
>>   go with confidence to shove my foot in the strap, and wham, ouch,
> agony.
>>    Now I'm more careful until I'm confident where that strap is.
>> Ellen

> When you're on vacation, you're much more likely to be sailing
> different boards, and even to switch several times in one day. So I've
> learned to be sure to test the footstraps before I head out, and then
> be patient enough to sail back to land and readjust them if they're not
> right.
> I recently sailed Jericoacoara and used one board the whole trip, which
> is kind of the European system of rental. I was able to set the
> footstraps the first day and not worry about them. Quite a relief.

 
 
 

i broke my toe. ouch!

Post by Paul Braunbehren » Tue, 29 Mar 2005 04:42:19


I think the injuries mentioned here are caused by accidentally

Quote:
> kicking the strap. Nothing but careful, controlled sailing prevent
> that. You can stub your toe on a perfectly flat surface.

I think a fair number of people break ankles and feet when the board
tweaks their foot, either due to an improper landing, a bad catapult,
or, as happened to me, hitting an underwater obstruction.

The toe issue is easily resolved by wearing booties.