i broke my toe. ouch!

i broke my toe. ouch!

Post by jeff feeha » Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:00:26


i was in cabarete last week, and winds were kind of light, so
i spent a few days sailing a starboard formula 117 with a 9.0,
(vela had  it in wood construction, and i _really_ liked it -
probably my favorite of any formula board i have sailed).

i was pumping like a maniac while exiting a jibe, and i'm not
sure exactly what happened - either i went for the footstrap
too agressively, or my foot slipped on the board. whichever
happened, my little toe hit the front strap hard, resulting in
really intense pain - i had to stop sailing.

so, of course the next day was a nice 5.0 day. i tried, but it
hurt too much. basically, any kind of compression (like a foot-
strap) was too painful. after one jibe, i missed the strap by
just a cm or so, stubbed it, and was screaming in pain. so i quit.

the funny thing was that a guy i met, had just the day before
been explaining to me that i should wear booties on vacation
because of the risk of a foot injury ruining my trip. "no way",
i said. oh well.

as it turned out there wasn't much wind anyway, so i didn't miss
much. i did manage to do a fair bit of training in a laser (they
can be rented from the bic center), which - since i race a laser -
was pretty much fun, and not nearly as *** my little toe as
windsurfing.

i got home on sunday, and had it x-rayed yesterday. it's pretty
well broken. i'm kind of surprised that i did so much damage just
by hiting a footstrap with the toe.

i guess it should be okay by the time the season starts here in
connecticut.

jeff

 
 
 

i broke my toe. ouch!

Post by Paul Braunbehren » Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:14:11

Bummer about the toe.  At least you won't miss too much of your sailing
season.  As you might remember, I broke my foot about 10 days ago, and
I was wearing booties.  I have previously injured my little toe, coming
out of a jibe.  I don't remember exactly how I did it, but I somehow
got the little toe hung up on the strap and fell off the board.  I'm
pretty sure it was broken, but I never did anything about it, except to
get booties.

However, now I'm second guessing myself.  Did my foot break because the
booties made it harder to come out of the strap?  Basically, my fin hit
a rock, and the board stopped, I kept going.  I do remember getting
hung up in the strap, but I did come out and land with my foot on a
rock.  I can't be sure if what broke the foot was the impact from the
rock, or the pull of the footstrap.

I guess the question is whether it's safer to go with booties or
without.  I'm guessing that without booties you are more prone to
smaller injuries, but with booties you might hang in the straps and
break your foot or ankle.

I'd appreciate some advice from the pros on this, including how to
setup your footstraps so that you will come out easily.


Quote:

> i was in cabarete last week, and winds were kind of light, so
> i spent a few days sailing a starboard formula 117 with a 9.0,
> (vela had  it in wood construction, and i _really_ liked it -
> probably my favorite of any formula board i have sailed).

> i was pumping like a maniac while exiting a jibe, and i'm not
> sure exactly what happened - either i went for the footstrap
> too agressively, or my foot slipped on the board. whichever
> happened, my little toe hit the front strap hard, resulting in
> really intense pain - i had to stop sailing.

> so, of course the next day was a nice 5.0 day. i tried, but it
> hurt too much. basically, any kind of compression (like a foot-
> strap) was too painful. after one jibe, i missed the strap by
> just a cm or so, stubbed it, and was screaming in pain. so i quit.

> the funny thing was that a guy i met, had just the day before
> been explaining to me that i should wear booties on vacation
> because of the risk of a foot injury ruining my trip. "no way",
> i said. oh well.

> as it turned out there wasn't much wind anyway, so i didn't miss
> much. i did manage to do a fair bit of training in a laser (they
> can be rented from the bic center), which - since i race a laser -
> was pretty much fun, and not nearly as *** my little toe as
> windsurfing.

> i got home on sunday, and had it x-rayed yesterday. it's pretty
> well broken. i'm kind of surprised that i did so much damage just
> by hiting a footstrap with the toe.

> i guess it should be okay by the time the season starts here in
> connecticut.

> jeff


 
 
 

i broke my toe. ouch!

Post by Luck » Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:53:30

I'm very far from a pro, but I wear booties because of the zebra
muscles here.  I have sailed bare foot, also (and would rather sail
barefoot).  BUT, I have noticed that sailing with booties (I think)
makes it easier to exit the strap because you have less control over
the small pieces of your foot.  Rather, without booties, I find myself
curling my toes and gripping the deck pads.  With booties you can't do
that because of the *** sole.  I don't know what else it is....but
my foot has been known to slip out of the footstrap from time to time
with booties on....never had that problem with bare feet.

I also think a lot of this might have to do with what kind of footstrap
you are using.  I think some footstraps are easier to exit than others.

 
 
 

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Post by surfe » Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:04:01

We too have Zebra Muscles here in Green Bay. I never wore booties
unless it was REAL cold, but once the little muscles took over, I had
to succumb to booties. Now, even when I go to the Gorge, etc. I wear
em.

1) I don't want to adjust my footstraps. (I'm lazy)

2) I actually feel "***" without booties now!

3) My feet stay in the straps better with booties

4) Less injuries to feet when sailing = more sailing time and a better
windsurfing vacation experience. ;-)

Personally, I love the Okespor "Florida". It's similar to the "Gorge"
bootie which has a strap. The key feature of the "Florida" is that your
toes are covered by the *** of the sole that wraps around, so the
booties last longer (ie. don't blow out the toes) than the "Gorge"
model. I got some Prolimit booties in the Gorge last year, and they're
a little thinner in the sole - which gives better board feel, but they
probably wont last as long with the Zebra Muscles here.

 
 
 

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Post by Dan Weis » Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:20:36

Jeff:  Sorry to hear about your injury.  Sucks, but you should be at it soon
enough.

Lucky et al.  Never understood the problems with foot straps.  They should
be tight enough to keep you securely attached to the board, but not so tight
as to prevent your foot from inserting enough and thus make the board
uncontrollable.  Footstraps should be loose enough to allow your feet to
gain leverage over the board, but not so loose as to allow your foot to
loose contact with the deck.

Adjusting footstraps is fast and easy.  Do it once per season, or twice when
booties become necessary.  Or more if you like to tweak.

I've never been prevented from exiting the straps that are too tight.  Tight
straps prevent getting my foot in deep enough to get caught in the first
place.  Straps that are so loose as to grab my ankle are far to loose anyway
to use effectively.  The board will flop all over the place.

Boots tend to make it more difficult too get my foot in as the sole offers a
lot more grip than the skin on the sole of my foot, so I find adjusting
strap tension for boots to be slightly more exacting.

Never been hurt by straps, but I don't do much freestyle.

-Dan

Quote:
> I'm very far from a pro, but I wear booties because of the zebra
> muscles here.  I have sailed bare foot, also (and would rather sail
> barefoot).  BUT, I have noticed that sailing with booties (I think)
> makes it easier to exit the strap because you have less control over
> the small pieces of your foot.  Rather, without booties, I find myself
> curling my toes and gripping the deck pads.  With booties you can't do
> that because of the *** sole.  I don't know what else it is....but
> my foot has been known to slip out of the footstrap from time to time
> with booties on....never had that problem with bare feet.

> I also think a lot of this might have to do with what kind of footstrap
> you are using.  I think some footstraps are easier to exit than others.

 
 
 

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Post by wsurf » Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:42:18

Sorry Jeff:

Windsurfing injuries that limit your sailing suck, especially while on
vacation. Toes tend to heal well, so you will be as good as new soon. I
don't know what to think about the bootie/strap tension debate. I find
I have much better feel without the booties, and my feet enter and
release easier without them. I wear booties when I visit different
locales, so I don't slice my feet on the bottom and prematurely end my
sailing time. As you guys know, I snapped my ankle almost exactly a
year ago in Hatteras, slamming into a sandbar during a gybe. It
happened fast, straps were set loose for my clumsy bootied feet, and
there was no way for my foot to release. The board would not flip over
because of the fin being stuck in the sandbar. I have relived it over
and over in my mind. It happened so fast, and I am not quite sure
exactly if the booties had a significant role in keeping my foot from
releasing. I now set my straps wider and tighter, instead of just
looser (I have big feet). I try to sail barefoot, but I will likely
sail with booties again, especially when I think the bottom is
questionable. I like deep water now!

I hope you heal fast. Let us know how long it takes to recover. I think
the worst part was not knowing when I could get back on the board, and
how long it would take to heal. I sailed on my ankle at 6 weeks, but it
took 9 months to get back to 90% strength.

Take Matt Prichard's advice...get out your credit card and call Brian
at Side-Off and catch up on your videos....

Mark

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Braunbehren » Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:59:29


Quote:

> 3) My feet stay in the straps better with booties

> 4) Less injuries to feet when sailing = more sailing time and a better
> windsurfing vacation experience. ;-)

I agree that you get less foot injuries when sailing with booties, but
that's SMALL injuries.  If your foot doesn't come out when it should,
you might break your foot (as I did) or your ankle, and miss the whole
season.  I think I'd rather have a few small injuries than one big one.

I'd be interested in hearing more opinions on this issue.

 
 
 

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Post by Florian Feuser /FFF » Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:04:51


Quote:

> I hope you heal fast. Let us know how long it takes to recover. I
> think the worst part was not knowing when I could get back on the
> board, and how long it would take to heal. I sailed on my ankle at 6
> weeks, but it took 9 months to get back to 90% strength.

Broken toes seem to happen a lot.
I broke my little toe in 03 on the cape - on the third day of a vacation,
of course - when my board stopped abruptly as I sailed over a mooring
chain and my fin got caught. I was just about to get into the straps but
without them, my front foot just slid across the deck until it was
stopped by the solid plastic of the chinook mast base. Volcano pads rule.

It took about six weeks to sail relatively pain-free, however I was back
on the water in 14 days. I am sure the bone had fused by that time - and
I had purchased the aforementioned volcano pad in the meantime.

BTW, Jeff: was it windy in CT today?
According to iWindsurf, the breeze seemed to have been pretty confined
to the south shore of LI.
We sailed from 4PM in about 30kts until the rain turned to sleet and
snow and it became impossible to look upwind.

florian /FFF/

 
 
 

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Post by Paul Braunbehren » Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:21:25

Maybe we need straps that release when a certain amount of force is
applied... i.e. before a bone breaks.  Shouldn't be too hard to
manufacture.


Quote:

> Sorry Jeff:

> Windsurfing injuries that limit your sailing suck, especially while on
> vacation. Toes tend to heal well, so you will be as good as new soon. I
> don't know what to think about the bootie/strap tension debate. I find
> I have much better feel without the booties, and my feet enter and
> release easier without them. I wear booties when I visit different
> locales, so I don't slice my feet on the bottom and prematurely end my
> sailing time. As you guys know, I snapped my ankle almost exactly a
> year ago in Hatteras, slamming into a sandbar during a gybe. It
> happened fast, straps were set loose for my clumsy bootied feet, and
> there was no way for my foot to release. The board would not flip over
> because of the fin being stuck in the sandbar. I have relived it over
> and over in my mind. It happened so fast, and I am not quite sure
> exactly if the booties had a significant role in keeping my foot from
> releasing. I now set my straps wider and tighter, instead of just
> looser (I have big feet). I try to sail barefoot, but I will likely
> sail with booties again, especially when I think the bottom is
> questionable. I like deep water now!

> I hope you heal fast. Let us know how long it takes to recover. I think
> the worst part was not knowing when I could get back on the board, and
> how long it would take to heal. I sailed on my ankle at 6 weeks, but it
> took 9 months to get back to 90% strength.

> Take Matt Prichard's advice...get out your credit card and call Brian
> at Side-Off and catch up on your videos....

> Mark

 
 
 

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Post by jeff feeha » Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:50:31

i noticed some wind in the afternoon, but i didn't get near the water
to really see it. i don't think we had 30kts though.

i think you guys on l.i. are crazy  - it seems like everyone there
likes to windsurf in snow. don't you guys know that that's what lasers
are for?

jeff feehan

 > BTW, Jeff: was it windy in CT today?
 > According to iWindsurf, the breeze seemed to have been pretty confined
 > to the south shore of LI.
 > We sailed from 4PM in about 30kts until the rain turned to sleet and
 > snow and it became impossible to look upwind.

Quote:

>>I hope you heal fast. Let us know how long it takes to recover. I
>>think the worst part was not knowing when I could get back on the
>>board, and how long it would take to heal. I sailed on my ankle at 6
>>weeks, but it took 9 months to get back to 90% strength.

> Broken toes seem to happen a lot.
> I broke my little toe in 03 on the cape - on the third day of a vacation,
> of course - when my board stopped abruptly as I sailed over a mooring
> chain and my fin got caught. I was just about to get into the straps but
> without them, my front foot just slid across the deck until it was
> stopped by the solid plastic of the chinook mast base. Volcano pads rule.

> It took about six weeks to sail relatively pain-free, however I was back
> on the water in 14 days. I am sure the bone had fused by that time - and
> I had purchased the aforementioned volcano pad in the meantime.

> BTW, Jeff: was it windy in CT today?
> According to iWindsurf, the breeze seemed to have been pretty confined
> to the south shore of LI.
> We sailed from 4PM in about 30kts until the rain turned to sleet and
> snow and it became impossible to look upwind.

> florian /FFF/

 
 
 

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Post by jeff feeha » Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:02:17

i was talking with jim karabasz yesterday, and he had an interesting
thought - he thinks that guys who usually sail with booties at home,
but occasionally sail without them when they travel to launches where
they aren't needed, are more likely to injur themselves. he thinks that
they aren't used to being careful when they stick their foot in the strap,
that maybe they are used to just jamming it in there and letting the
boot protect their toes.

i am pretty sure that's what happened to me - i know my little toe
hit the foot strap (not the universal), and i'm pretty sure it wasn't
a slip. i think that as i was pumping really hard out of a  very
light wind jibe, the board popped right up on a plane, and i wanted to
get in the strap right away, so i tried to do it really quickly, but
missed and hit the strap with a lot of force.

anyway, it's definitely a lesson learned. i will be more careful. in the
few runs i took the next day, i tried to be realy careful to avoid the
pain. i was very deliberate about using the rotating method for getting
in the back strap - something i am not usually very concerned about,
but it is definitely safer than just trying to stick it in there, and
it is just plain better because it upsets the board less.

jeff feehan

Quote:

> Sorry Jeff:

> Windsurfing injuries that limit your sailing suck, especially while on
> vacation. Toes tend to heal well, so you will be as good as new soon. I
> don't know what to think about the bootie/strap tension debate. I find
> I have much better feel without the booties, and my feet enter and
> release easier without them. I wear booties when I visit different
> locales, so I don't slice my feet on the bottom and prematurely end my
> sailing time. As you guys know, I snapped my ankle almost exactly a
> year ago in Hatteras, slamming into a sandbar during a gybe. It
> happened fast, straps were set loose for my clumsy bootied feet, and
> there was no way for my foot to release. The board would not flip over
> because of the fin being stuck in the sandbar. I have relived it over
> and over in my mind. It happened so fast, and I am not quite sure
> exactly if the booties had a significant role in keeping my foot from
> releasing. I now set my straps wider and tighter, instead of just
> looser (I have big feet). I try to sail barefoot, but I will likely
> sail with booties again, especially when I think the bottom is
> questionable. I like deep water now!

> I hope you heal fast. Let us know how long it takes to recover. I think
> the worst part was not knowing when I could get back on the board, and
> how long it would take to heal. I sailed on my ankle at 6 weeks, but it
> took 9 months to get back to 90% strength.

> Take Matt Prichard's advice...get out your credit card and call Brian
> at Side-Off and catch up on your videos....

> Mark

 
 
 

i broke my toe. ouch!

Post by jeff feeha » Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:07:43

Quote:

> Jeff:  Sorry to hear about your injury.  Sucks, but you should be at it soon
> enough.

i'm doing a laser regatta in bermuda next month - about 4 weeks from now,
and i really hope the pain is gone by then. i can definitely sail the laser
with it the way it is now, but my roll tacks and roll gybes aren't as
good as they were. they were never really great, so i can't afford to
loose anything.

jeff feehan

Quote:
> Lucky et al.  Never understood the problems with foot straps.  They should
> be tight enough to keep you securely attached to the board, but not so tight
> as to prevent your foot from inserting enough and thus make the board
> uncontrollable.  Footstraps should be loose enough to allow your feet to
> gain leverage over the board, but not so loose as to allow your foot to
> loose contact with the deck.

> Adjusting footstraps is fast and easy.  Do it once per season, or twice when
> booties become necessary.  Or more if you like to tweak.

> I've never been prevented from exiting the straps that are too tight.  Tight
> straps prevent getting my foot in deep enough to get caught in the first
> place.  Straps that are so loose as to grab my ankle are far to loose anyway
> to use effectively.  The board will flop all over the place.

> Boots tend to make it more difficult too get my foot in as the sole offers a
> lot more grip than the skin on the sole of my foot, so I find adjusting
> strap tension for boots to be slightly more exacting.

> Never been hurt by straps, but I don't do much freestyle.

> -Dan


>>I'm very far from a pro, but I wear booties because of the zebra
>>muscles here.  I have sailed bare foot, also (and would rather sail
>>barefoot).  BUT, I have noticed that sailing with booties (I think)
>>makes it easier to exit the strap because you have less control over
>>the small pieces of your foot.  Rather, without booties, I find myself
>>curling my toes and gripping the deck pads.  With booties you can't do
>>that because of the *** sole.  I don't know what else it is....but
>>my foot has been known to slip out of the footstrap from time to time
>>with booties on....never had that problem with bare feet.

>>I also think a lot of this might have to do with what kind of footstrap
>>you are using.  I think some footstraps are easier to exit than others.

 
 
 

i broke my toe. ouch!

Post by Florian Feuser /FFF » Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:45:44


Quote:

> i noticed some wind in the afternoon, but i didn't get near the water
> to really see it. i don't think we had 30kts though.

> i think you guys on l.i. are crazy  - it seems like everyone there
> likes to windsurf in snow. don't you guys know that that's what lasers
> are for?

umm... I had no idea!
;-)

Come on, Jeff - of all sailing vessels the experience on a Laser is just
as wet and cold as on an 80 liter board.

florian /FFF/