What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by Bob » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:04:38


For me, it has to be a 3-cam 6.0 Windwing from about 1997. Where I
sail, the water is really really flat so you can go as fast as you
like and this sail is far and away the fastest I've ever sailed. I'm
not talking fast, like you can't get any more out of it fast, I'm not
talking fast like the fastest you've been this month fast, I'm talking
fast like a whole other level way above that, like you start
questioning the stability of the board you're riding and you're riding
a Doyle slalom, adept at speed. I'm talking fast like you are now just
hitting the tops of the waveletts, there are no troughs fast.
 
 
 

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by Dan Weis » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:32:51


Quote:
> For me, it has to be a 3-cam 6.0 Windwing from about 1997. Where I
> sail, the water is really really flat so you can go as fast as you
> like and this sail is far and away the fastest I've ever sailed. I'm
> not talking fast, like you can't get any more out of it fast, I'm not
> talking fast like the fastest you've been this month fast, I'm talking
> fast like a whole other level way above that, like you start
> questioning the stability of the board you're riding and you're riding
> a Doyle slalom, adept at speed. I'm talking fast like you are now just
> hitting the tops of the waveletts, there are no troughs fast.

I guess it would be a Nitro 5 4.2 that I sailed last year on a mini
slalom board.  It must have been faster than a session at Kihei over a
decade ago when I sailed my trust Gaastra CourseSLALOM Pro on an
Seatrend Race 8'7" and custom Curtis slalom fin.  In each case, the
challenge was all about controlling the fin so the board remained
steady. The more recent ride was in pretty steady offshore SW
conditions in about 25-30.  The cool thing about this particular spot
(first bridge, State Beach on MV) is that the beach curves downwind so
you can sail in tiny chop as you bear off to hit max speed as you sail
into a consistent band of wind compressed by the nearby line of higher
dunes that accelerates the wind as much as changing its angle.

Awesome feeling, indeed!

-Dan

 
 
 

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by The Do » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:42:53


Quote:

> > For me, it has to be a 3-cam 6.0 Windwing from about 1997.

> I guess it would be a Nitro 5 4.2

Naish 5.3 Mana.

Dog

 
 
 

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by LakeSur » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:39:12

KA Koncept 6.6. Still haven't maxed it out at 40mph. Looking forward
to the winds of fall to see
what it can really do. ;-)
 
 
 

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by Bob » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:48:22


Quote:
> KA Koncept 6.6. Still haven't maxed it out at 40mph. Looking forward
> to the winds of fall to see
> what it can really do. ;-)

I've sailed a Koncept 6.6 and WOW yes, they are fast!
 
 
 

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by Bret » Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:33:45


Quote:

> > KA Koncept 6.6. Still haven't maxed it out at 40mph. Looking forward
> > to the winds of fall to see
> > what it can really do. ;-)

> I've sailed a Koncept 6.6 and WOW yes, they are fast!

I've got 6.6,5.8 and 5.0 KA Koncepts and they only have two
speeds.stopped and flat out. They feel super slippery at speed and
just want you to keep going faster..
 
 
 

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by wsurf » Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:59:29

Perception vs. Reality.

O.K. first Perception. I remember in 1991, I got a new 6.1m2 1991
Gaastra SlalomFoil Pro 4-camber slalom sail from my Dad and Brother
(best present...EVER). About the same time, I also got my first credit
card and bought a spanking new custom AHD 9'6" with a tuttle box from
the Gorge and new Finworks H3 fin. I went out to my local Dallas Lake

sail twisted off and the board kept accelerating. For the first time,
I started to get really scared. Then a rogue gust hit me hard and I
started to fall to leward. My clew hit the water and I knew I was a
gonner. I somehow pushed off the sail which was in contact with the
water and saved it continuing to plane off on my reach. It was one of
those Matrix moments. That was just not possible I thought to myself,
yet, somehow it happened. That was when I realized gear had really
changed (composites)....for the better.

Reality. I am sure most of you would have then and now kicked my a$$.

 
 
 

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by Tsunam » Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:14:00


Quote:

> > KA Koncept 6.6. Still haven't maxed it out at 40mph. Looking forward
> > to the winds of fall to see
> > what it can really do. ;-)

> I've sailed a Koncept 6.6 and WOW yes, they are fast!

WTF?  You have sailed a speed record holder (Koncept) and a decade old
Windwing (never heard of any records set by them???)  but you pick the
windwing?
 
 
 

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by wind.s » Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:25:53

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:14:00 +0800, "Tsunami"

Quote:




>> > KA Koncept 6.6. Still haven't maxed it out at 40mph. Looking forward
>> > to the winds of fall to see
>> > what it can really do. ;-)

>> I've sailed a Koncept 6.6 and WOW yes, they are fast!

>WTF?  You have sailed a speed record holder (Koncept) and a decade old
>Windwing (never heard of any records set by them???)  but you pick the
>windwing?

I believe you have some posts confused, Tsunami. IIRC, the only old
Windwing sailor here (both the sail and the sailor) is Chuckles.
 
 
 

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by Bob » Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:41:28

Yes, I picked the Windwing over the Koncept. On the Koncept I did go
fast, like the fastest this "month" fast, but the Windwing seemed to
have no upper limit.  I'm sure it had a lot to do with the wind and
conditions the day I sailed it, but I've never seen anything like it.
Where other sails seemed to top out, the Windwing just kept pulling.
I'm more of a slash and bump type sailor and neither the Windwing or
Koncept were suited to my sailing style. but for those with a need for
speed, they would be worth trying out. My style is more like Pryde NR,
Northwave Wave, MauiSails Global, or Simmer Crossover.
 
 
 

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by wind.s » Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:15:49

Quote:

>Yes, I picked the Windwing over the Koncept.

Someday I'll learn to read the original post in a thread. :)
 
 
 

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by Tsunam » Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:23:02


Quote:
> Yes, I picked the Windwing over the Koncept. On the Koncept I did go
> fast, like the fastest this "month" fast, but the Windwing seemed to
> have no upper limit.  I'm sure it had a lot to do with the wind and
> conditions the day I sailed it, but I've never seen anything like it.
> Where other sails seemed to top out, the Windwing just kept pulling.
> I'm more of a slash and bump type sailor and neither the Windwing or
> Koncept were suited to my sailing style. but for those with a need for
> speed, they would be worth trying out. My style is more like Pryde NR,
> Northwave Wave, MauiSails Global, or Simmer Crossover.

I'm not a speedsailor, and please don't be insulted but many ppl confuse the
feeling of "going fast combined with the sail feeling out of control"  as
being "fast".

Again no insult but the Koncept has set records and most ppl in the world
have never heard of Windwing so I think you have your preference the wrong
way around  :)

 
 
 

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by a_ma.. » Fri, 31 Aug 2007 03:53:48


Quote:
> For me, it has to be a 3-cam 6.0 Windwing from about 1997. Where I
> sail, the water is really really flat so you can go as fast as you
> like and this sail is far and away the fastest I've ever sailed. I'm
> not talking fast, like you can't get any more out of it fast, I'm not
> talking fast like the fastest you've been this month fast, I'm talking
> fast like a whole other level way above that, like you start
> questioning the stability of the board you're riding and you're riding
> a Doyle slalom, adept at speed. I'm talking fast like you are now just
> hitting the tops of the waveletts, there are no troughs fast.

For efficiency - my 10.8 Sailworks NXfw. Going well over twice real
wind speed is impressive.

For white-knuckle speed - my Sailworks 6.0 race sail. I've clocked
over 36 knots on the GPS with it. Of course, at that point, the water
gets a bit rough, and a slalom board gets a bit unruly. So absent a
nice strip of smooth water and a dedicated speed board (or at least a
much narrower small slalom board), that's about as fast as you can go
on general purpose slalom gear (in my case a 24" Roberts) in open
water.

Of course, my 7.2 Sailworks wins it for smooth speed. I've gone over
35 knots on that. Funny how that was done in about 10 knots less than
my peak speeds on the 6.0 - waterstate is clearly the limiting factor
there (as evidenced by the fact that with a 5.0 and smaller board, I
haven't gone faster in open water).

Anybody know of a nice stretch of flat water that works with big SE up
here in NW Washington?

-Andreas
http://g-42.blogspot.com

 
 
 

What's the fastest sail you've ever ridden?

Post by John » Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:49:03


Quote:

> > For me, it has to be a 3-cam 6.0 Windwing from about 1997. Where I
> > sail, the water is really really flat so you can go as fast as you
> > like and this sail is far and away the fastest I've ever sailed. I'm
> > not talking fast, like you can't get any more out of it fast, I'm not
> > talking fast like the fastest you've been this month fast, I'm talking
> > fast like a whole other level way above that, like you start
> > questioning the stability of the board you're riding and you're riding
> > a Doyle slalom, adept at speed. I'm talking fast like you are now just
> > hitting the tops of the waveletts, there are no troughs fast.

> For efficiency - my 10.8 Sailworks NXfw. Going well over twice real
> wind speed is impressive.

> For white-knuckle speed - my Sailworks 6.0 race sail. I've clocked
> over 36 knots on the GPS with it. Of course, at that point, the water
> gets a bit rough, and a slalom board gets a bit unruly. So absent a
> nice strip of smooth water and a dedicated speed board (or at least a
> much narrower small slalom board), that's about as fast as you can go
> on general purpose slalom gear (in my case a 24" Roberts) in open
> water.

> Of course, my 7.2 Sailworks wins it for smooth speed. I've gone over
> 35 knots on that. Funny how that was done in about 10 knots less than
> my peak speeds on the 6.0 - waterstate is clearly the limiting factor
> there (as evidenced by the fact that with a 5.0 and smaller board, I
> haven't gone faster in open water).

> Anybody know of a nice stretch of flat water that works with big SE up
> here in NW Washington?

> -Andreashttp://g-42.blogspot.com

Hurricane this, that, or the other over the years.  3.5 Aerotech
Charge and whatever tiny schtick was under me at the time.  Can't
sheet out when it's blowing 60-75 mph, it hurts too much when the
automatic slam will result.  Just gotta stay sheeted home.  Okay,
there's about a 2 degree amount of sail trim in order to feather thru
a monster gust, but sheeting out like some folk think is possible in
mere gales, don't do it.  Dunno how fast that was, 'cause no one else
was on the water, and no GPS.  Certainly has felt really, really fast
though.  :~)  Typically, I will sail the lakes or estuaries inland
when mega winds hit.  No such thing as white caps in a blow like that.
The water's too brown from churned up mud.  Call 'em mudcaps.
Waterstart in the footstraps, and use a tiny fin.  LOL was probably
only going 30-40 mph on any of those dayz, but it sure was an
adrenalin rush. Happy sails.