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Post by trialzride » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:22:11


Hey folks looking for some advice on what to do about a hissing Foot
Strap Insert. I had some nose damage that i went ahead and repaired,
but while i was checking for water with a plastic bag taped down, i
found a hissing sound on a rear Foot Strap Insert (both holes.) I am
able to just grind down and epoxy over the insert, and run a single
rear strap but i would rather not, this is my lite wind board. Any
suggestions?

Nathan

 
 
 

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Post by Bob » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 04:43:09

The foot strap insert will need to be replaced if you want to continue
using the footstrap in that position. It is either cracked from using
too large of***or the end is split from using too long a screw.  I
don't know of any repair which will make it watertight again short of
replacement. Sorry.

 
 
 

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Post by quadzill.. » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 07:54:14


Quote:
> Hey folks looking for some advice on what to do about a hissing Foot
> Strap Insert. I had some nose damage that i went ahead and repaired,
> but while i was checking for water with a plastic bag taped down, i
> found a hissing sound on a rear Foot Strap Insert (both holes.) I am
> able to just grind down and epoxy over the insert, and run a single
> rear strap but i would rather not, this is my lite wind board. Any
> suggestions?

> Nathan

I would guess that the wrong sized***was used and went too deep
and went thru the plastic insert to the foam. That is if you are
lucky, worse could be that the board delammed around the insert area.
You can check that by pressing down hard and it should be rock solid,
if it is soft then you have a delam and you would need to grind the
delam out and re glass the area. If you are lucky and the***hole
is too deep, then you could use some marine grade silicone sealer into
the hole and then put the***back in.

 
 
 

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Post by The Do » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 09:27:42

Quote:
> If you are lucky and the***hole
> is too deep, then you could use some marine grade silicone sealer into
> the hole and then put the***back in.

Man, I don't know...  Silicone?  That sounds iffy to me.

Dog

 
 
 

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Post by Florian Feuse » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:35:19

Quote:

>> If you are lucky and the***hole
>> is too deep, then you could use some marine grade silicone sealer into
>> the hole and then put the***back in.

> Man, I don't know...  Silicone?  That sounds iffy to me.

> Dog

Silicone is the material of the Gods. Nothing iffy about it.

--
florian - NY22

http://SportToday.org/

 
 
 

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Post by The Do » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:05:35

Quote:
> Silicone is the material of the Gods. Nothing iffy about it.

Says a guy who doesn't work in the marine industry....

Windshear is better stuff, but I'm still not sure I'd use even it in a
leaking footstrap screw.

Dog

 
 
 

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Post by Florian Feuse » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:27:54

Quote:

>> Silicone is the material of the Gods. Nothing iffy about it.

> Says a guy who doesn't work in the marine industry....

does Bay Watch not qualify as "marine industry"?

--
florian - NY22

http://www.kasail.com/windsurfing/team/florianfeuser.html

 
 
 

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Post by The Do » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:04:37



Quote:

> >> Silicone is the material of the Gods. Nothing iffy about it.

> > Says a guy who doesn't work in the marine industry....

> does Bay Watch not qualify as "marine industry"?

Only if you play a character in Bay Watch.  Being a character does not
count.

Seriously...  Even the good marine silicone adhesives are temporary
solutions at best.

After thinking about it, I would use 3M 5200 to plug the bottom of a
leaking foot strap insert.  But I'd let it cure for at least a week.

Dog

 
 
 

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Post by Bob » Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:34:25

I'm with Dog on this one.  3M 5200 is one of the best urethanes on the
market. For the record, silicone makes it difficult for anything (like
paint or epoxy) to stick where the silicone was applied without
complete removal of every trace of the silicone. Putting a new insert
in is no big deal. Check the Boardlady website.
 
 
 

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Post by trialzride » Mon, 04 Jun 2007 02:17:28

I had read through some other post, and at first thought the***
might have gone through insert, but the hissing comes from both of the
insert holes, not just one. Still suggest the 3m 5200 ?

Nathan

 
 
 

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Post by Bob » Mon, 04 Jun 2007 03:52:45

If you are convinced the insert is not cracked along the side which
would be evidenced by not being able to easily***in a larger
diameter screw, then someone used too long a***and pushed out the
end. If the end is pushed out, you might be able to push a long needle
down thru the insert and into the foam. The footstrap inserts are
about 1" high, so if you can push a needle down more than one inch,
then someone used too long a screw. Bedding the new***in 5200 when
screwed in will provide a usable fix.  Be sure to overkill the amount
of 5200 just a bit to make sure the***is fully sealed in the
insert.

If you can***in a large screw, the side is cracked and the only
answer is to replace the insert.

 
 
 

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Post by snowygu » Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:39:41


Quote:
> If you are convinced the insert is not cracked along the side which
> would be evidenced by not being able to easily***in a larger
> diameter screw, then someone used too long a***and pushed out the
> end. If the end is pushed out, you might be able to push a long needle
> down thru the insert and into the foam. The footstrap inserts are
> about 1" high, so if you can push a needle down more than one inch,
> then someone used too long a screw. Bedding the new***in 5200 when
> screwed in will provide a usable fix.  Be sure to overkill the amount
> of 5200 just a bit to make sure the***is fully sealed in the
> insert.

> If you can***in a large screw, the side is cracked and the only
> answer is to replace the insert.

I'm copying this from the Starboard's website.
Repair of damaged footstrap***thread or vent***threads.

Normally, with correct use, the threaded inserts in your Starboard
will provide excellent service throughout the life of your board.
Occasionally, and usually for a secondary reason (like failure to
maintain strap screws tension..), a threaded insert may become
stripped, requiring a practical solution to restore the original
function of the thread.

We've been using a LocTite/Permatex product that really does
permanently restore the threads in stripped out plastic inserts, such
as the footstrap insert threads, or deck vent screws.

The product is called Permatex Stripped Thread Repair Kit.
Here's a link: www.permatex.com/products/automotive/thread_compounds/thread_repair.htm

Here's the same product from Loctite Corp. It's called Loctite Form-A-
Thread Kit 81668
www.loctite.com/int_henkel/loctite_us/binarydata/pdf/LT3770v2_Special...

It's a 2 part epoxy based "system" with a super mold release agent as
part of the kit.

Get a new footstrap screw, and coat it with the blue mold release
agent (save it as you can use it again).

Clean out the stripped insert with acetone (don't get it anywhere on
the board, just down the hole in the insert).

Take a tooth pick and work a small quantity of the mixed 2 part epoxy
down into the stripped hole.

Screw the blue mold release coated new footstrap***down into the
hole without the footstrap attached.

Let the 2 part compound cure. Cures pretty quickly, but usually let it
cure overnight for best results unless the

board needs to be raced right away.

Unscrew the blue mold release coated screw.

Put your footstrap back on normally.

This product repairs threads in steel parts to SAE Grade 5 or Metric
Grade 8.8 strength.
Should hold your footstrap or a stripped vent plug forever.

(Thanks to Roger Jackson for the R+D on this solution)<<

I have seen these products recommended for split or cracked inserts.
However, what i would do with a >>hissing<< hole would be put it in
dry, hot storage to drive out the water.  You might see the moisture
seeping out.  Then put it in dry, cold storage for a day.  That would
replace water with air.  Then use one of these products easily
optainable in an auto parts store.

 
 
 

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Post by oneup.ag.. » Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:21:26

"...put it in dry, hot storage...the moisture seeping out...Then put
it in dry, cold storage for a day..."

You've been in hot and cold storage too long, Brucie.  What few brains
you had seeped out long ago.

I will say this.... at least you accredited the source of your info.

 
 
 

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Post by trialzride » Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:46:22

Thanks guys, I've been doing the hot/ cold routine for the past 2
days, weathers been hindering, and have continualy been driving out
water. It seems after doing the last repair, this boards got some
time, and hasty repairs done to it. They old owner should have taken
the time to dry it out better.

Nathan

 
 
 

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Post by trialzride » Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:14:58

Bob T, unfortunately you were spot on, someone did use too long of a
***TWICE! and cracked the bottom of the insert, I let a paper clip
drop in, went in 2 1/4"s. Not good. I'm going to dry it out for the
next week or so, at least till most all of the water is out. Once
that's done going to take on the project as if it was a de-lamed
board; syringe fill with marine foam. Not sure if at this point to
replace the insert, or just plug it.

Nathan