Techno vs Starboard Formula

Techno vs Starboard Formula

Post by J.J. » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00


I hear that the Formula will plane earlier than the Techno due to its width,
but does it sacrifice jibing performance? What about top end speed? I was
just about to get a Techno but I have heard a lot of good things about the
Formula for the kind of sailing I want to do.  I will be sailing in mostly
lighter winds with a big sail but I want something that will also be pretty
good for the occasional stronger winds.

--

Jason

 
 
 

Techno vs Starboard Formula

Post by Roger Jacks » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hi Jason:

Quote:
>I hear that the Formula will plane earlier than the Techno due
>to its width, but does it sacrifice jibing performance?

The Techno 283 planes in about 8-9 knots (with a =>9.5 rig) for
lighter sailors, and about 10-11 knots for heavier sailors.
The Formula 155 planes in about 6-7 knots for lighter sailors
with the same rig, and in under 8 knots for heavier sailors.
Jibing performance is as good or better with the Formula 155
vs the Techno 283, but you will need to become accustomed to
jibing either one if you now jibe something much narrower.
A few technique adjustments and you will be making fully planing
jibes on the Formula in under 10 knots on a regular basis.
Jibing in higher winds is no problem either. It just takes a
little getting used to, and learning to step futher across the
board with your back foot, and not as far forward.
Bend the knees and all the other things remain the same, just
go further across, and keep the board at it's optimum planing
angle. Stepping too far forward will drive the rocker transition
into the water and "apply the brakes".

Quote:
> What about top end speed?

The Formula has much better top speed in 6-16 knots, than the
Techno 283. Over 16 knots, they may be equal, but I have no
experience in this windspeed, with the Formula against a 283
Techno.

Quote:
>I was just about to get a Techno but I have heard a lot of good
>things about the Formula for the kind of sailing I want to do.

Well, if race performance is an accurate indicator, the Starboard
Formula 155 is the winningest production board on the market,
ever. They have won International Funboard Class Association
(IFCA) national level events all over the world since being
introduced last fall. Russia, Germany, Martinique, Spain,
just to name a few. At last weeks event in Germany, the
lead racer won all 9 events, and the Starboard Formula 155
took all 4 of the top 4 positions.
The following is a quoted Starboard Press release:
"We all know by now that the Formula is the quickest race board
ever, butmcheck out the results from the German cup this weekend
for the most convincing victory in the history of windsurfing
...
Wojtek won 9 out of 9 races plus the slalom.

1 Wojtek        Formula Starboard
2 Andy laufer   Formula Starboard
3 Victor Diaz   Formula starboard
4 Jamie Lever   Formula Starboard

Quote:
> I will be sailing in mostly lighter winds with a
> big sail but I want something that will also be pretty
>good for the occasional stronger winds.

The Formula 155 was designed precisely for your kind of sailing.
It's also signifcantly lighter and more durable than the Techno
283.
Hope this helps!
     Roger

P.S. Anyone in the NJ/NYC/CT area that would like to try out a
Formula 155, come on over to the Sailworks/Starboard demo event
at Windsurfing Hamptons on Peconic Bay, Long Island this
Saturday.
If you have an old longboard, bring it along and join in the fun
of the first "sanctioned" Vintage race on Long Island.

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Post by MTVNewsG » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Roger wrote<< Anyone in the NJ/NYC/CT area that would like to try out a Formula
155, come on over to the Sailworks/Starboard demo event at Windsurfing Hamptons
on Peconic Bay, Long Island this Saturday.
If you have an old longboard, bring it along and join in the fun of the first
"sanctioned" Vintage race on Long Island.>>

And you can watch me and others on my Techno putting the Formula 155 to the
test!  
Please come for the race as well...bring your old longboards, bring your new
ones (though you won't be counted in the "vintage" results) just come and join
us for some fun!
Michael
US5613

 
 
 

Techno vs Starboard Formula

Post by sailqui » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Michael,
Hmmmmmm.... Do I detect a somewhat thinly veiled "challenge" in this
post somewhere?
You better hope for 10 knots and up, cause if it's under 10 knots,
I'll be over the horizon before the Techno fleet even begins to plane.
And here I was going to put you on a Formula 155 and a 9.5 Retro for
a demonstration race with several (at least 4) Formulas and a few GO's.
Now I'm not so sure...... :-)

Quote:
> And you can watch me and others on my Techno putting the Formula 155 to > the test!

TEST???? What test?

Quote:
> Please come for the race as well...bring your old longboards, bring your > new ones (though you won't be counted in the "vintage" results) just
> come and join us for some fun!

 Michael is right, whether you want to try a Techno; the Formula 155;
a new Starboard GO (either trainer set up or slalom) or maybe, if the
wind
decides to blow, the Carve 140; Carve 111; Carve 99; Carve 78  and the
Starfish.
We will have the now famous Drake Curtis DC 33 fin, an nice selection
of System B race fins, and perhaps the only Tectonics "Weed Eater" 34 cm
currently in the country for selected sailors to try.
(The System B's and Weed Eater are my personal race fins so you I hope
you will understand if I don't just send anyone out on them.
And we will have a 9.5/8.5/7.5/7.0/6.5/5.5/4.5 quiver of 2000 Sailworks
Retro's for you to compare against whatever you are now sailing.
C'Ya Saturday,
        Roger
 
 
 

Techno vs Starboard Formula

Post by sailqui » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hi JB,
I'd like to point out a couple of things that, since you have not
actually sailed the Formula 155, that you may have missed when comparing
the Formula and the Techno.

Quote:

> I have not sailed the Formula, but have sailed very wide race boards
> and they are more dificult to jibe.  You are also restricted to a very
> wide arch jibe on a board this wide unless you do a snap jibe.

Yes, I agree with this statement when applied to most other raceboards,
but not the Formula 155. The F155 has "BEVELS" on the entire rail from
just behind the nose to just in front of the rear footstraps and
the planing surface at the back of the board. The rear of the board
has fairly sharp rails, for good upwind performance, but the entire
rail ahead of the planing surface is substantially "softened" by the
addition of the bevels.
I rode a prototype Formula 155 in Thailand last summer, with out the
bevels, and wow, what a difference in both jibing and in rougher
conditions. You need to try the Formula to really see how much the
bevels improve the jibes and the overall handling.
As far as being able to crank off tight jibes, as soon as I learned to
not step forward, and to apply the rail pressure progressively but
firmly
the F155 will jibe pretty tightly. It's a technique adjustment.

Quote:
> The FORMULA will plain before the Techno, but I am also sure it will be
> blown off the water way before the Techno.

I don't think so. Most of the IFCA races being won by the Formula are
being sailed in 12-25 knots of wind.

Quote:
>  The Techno has a lot of V which helps it turn and helps it sail easily > in choppy windy conditions.

Very true! And this same feature, plus it's weight, are what keep it
from
planing really early, and inhibit it's speed somewhat.

Quote:
> The Techno is WAY more durabel.  The FORMULA is a sandwich board and is
> WAYYYYYYYYYYYY less durable, but it is lighter and stiffer.

We are talking a Dyneema reinforced WOOD sandwich board.
Much stronger than a hard foam/carbon sandwich.
I can provide you with the bursting strength numbers, if you
like, but here is not the place.

Quote:
> The Techno has an ASA Plastic skin which will protect it from dings.

Except for the nose, which some repair shops are making a mold for so
they can just glass on a replacement.
My demo boards have been damaged, at the same demos that knocked the
noses
off the majority of the Techno's, by the same sailors, using the same
rigs.
In only one case did the full on boom hit penetrate the wood/dyneema
reinforcement in the nose. In the other cases the wood/dyneema was
dented, but not punched through. My "nose jobs" have been costing
$25-$60 dollars (the bad one was the $60) for professional repairs
at Fox Watersports, where they at one time had a whole bunch of Techno's
with some or all of the nose knocked off.

Quote:
> The Techno also has a fun one design class developing.  Racing is WAY >more fun in this type of one design class where it is not an equipment >war.

I agree with you on the "one design" aspects, but it's only here in the
US that we have "Tech 31" fleet.
In the rest of the world the Techno is an IFCA registered Formula
Windsurfing 31 class board.
I hope we soon will see a full FW 31 class here at more than a few
selected events.
The Techno has been fully qualified to race in any of the national level
FW31 events that the Formula 155's have been winning.

Quote:
> If you are only wanting early plaining FORMULA

Right on! But don't forget the Formula works really well for
smaller sailors up to 20 knots/6.5 and for bigger sailors
earlier than anything else on the water up to about 25 knots/6.0.

Quote:
> IF you want a great all arround board you can use from 5.0 to 9.5, rip
> jibes, and even race  TECHNO is the call.

OK, I give up. I personally will probably never be caught on a Formula
or
a Techno, unless it's during a high wind race event.
Below 6.5, I'd rather sail/race the FW "slalom class.
Regard, Roger
 
 
 

Techno vs Starboard Formula

Post by sailqui » Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Oops, it seems I left a little something out of this last paragraph.

Quote:
> > IF you want a great all arround board you can use from 5.0 to 9.5, rip
> > jibes, and even race  TECHNO is the call.
> OK, I give up. I personally will probably never be caught on a Formula

155 or a  Techno 283, "...with less than a 6.5 m2 sail...", unless it's
during a high wind FW31 race event.
Quote:
> Below 6.5, I'd rather sail/race the FW "slalom class which allows more

suitable boards for 20 knots +. I have a Sonic W-75 and a Carve 140 for
that kind of conditions.
Quote:
> Regards, Roger

 
 
 

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Post by JB » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

I have not sailed the Formula, but have sailed very wide race boards
and they are more dificult to jibe.  You are also restricted to a very
wide arch jibe on a board this wide unless you do a snap jibe.  The
FORMULA will plain before the Techno, but I am also sure it will be
blown off the water way before the Techno.  The Techno has a lot of V
which helps it turn and helps it sail easily in choppy windy
conditions.

The Techno is WAY more durabel.  The FORMULA is a sandwich board and is
WAYYYYYYYYYYYY less durable, but it is lighter and stiffer. The Techno
has an ASA Plastic skin which will protect it from dings.  The Techno
also has a fun one design class developing.  Racing is WAY more fun in
this type of one design class where it is not an equipment war.

If you are only wanting early plaining FORMULA
IF you want a great all arround board you can use from 5.0 to 9.5, rip
jibes, and even race  TECHNO is the call.

JB



Quote:
> I hear that the Formula will plane earlier than the Techno due to its
width,
> but does it sacrifice jibing performance? What about top end speed? I
was
> just about to get a Techno but I have heard a lot of good things
about the
> Formula for the kind of sailing I want to do.  I will be sailing in
mostly
> lighter winds with a big sail but I want something that will also be
pretty
> good for the occasional stronger winds.

> --

> Jason

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Post by Randa » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Gee - this thread is really turning into a "my board can beat up your board"
type of thing.  I like it!!

Maybe we can get some of the protagonists to put some $ on the line here!!

Randy

 
 
 

Techno vs Starboard Formula

Post by Vaughan Sander » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

--


Quote:
> Oops, it seems I left a little something out of this last paragraph.

> > > IF you want a great all arround board you can use from 5.0 to 9.5, rip
> > > jibes, and even race  TECHNO is the call.
> > OK, I give up. I personally will probably never be caught on a Formula
> 155 or a  Techno 283, "...with less than a 6.5 m2 sail...", unless it's
> during a high wind FW31 race event.
> > Below 6.5, I'd rather sail/race the FW "slalom class which allows more
> suitable boards for 20 knots +. I have a Sonic W-75 and a Carve 140 for
> that kind of conditions.
> > Regards, Roger

Roger, I saw A 293 Techno in action at the weekend, it was carrying a !0.6
RX1 and two 28cm fins, might give your 155 a run for it's money in the early
planing stakes. Very heavy compared to a Starboard though.
Incidentally the Formulae Worlds have just taken place in Spain I think,
anyone know what board came out on top, I hear they were using fins of 66cm.

Jamie

Jamie Sanders
Chalkwell Wimdsurfing Club
http://freespace.***.net/ken.rosier/cwc.htm

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Post by sailqui » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hi Jamie,

Quote:
> Roger, I saw A 293 Techno in action at the weekend, it was carrying a 10.6
> RX1 and two 28cm fins, might give your 155 a run for it's money in the early
> planing stakes. Very heavy compared to a Starboard though.

Was this 293 Techno racing, or just cruising around?
I've seen the 293 T over here, and my biggest question is why they
didn't
put in a central fin box.
The two fin (twinzer) concept has been tried for years and always
resulted in
a lot of drag without a significant increase in lift. So I would expect
it to be kinda slow compared to the same board with a good race fin in
the
55-65 cm range, especially upwind.
And did you notice that the fins do not have a standard root (at least
not
on the board I saw in Hatteras (this was very recently and it was not a
prototype like the one seen here back in April).
I will have to take the 293 for a sail and see how it compares.

Quote:
> Incidentally the Formulae Worlds have just taken place in Spain I think,
> anyone know what board came out on top, I hear they were using fins of 66cm.

Haven't heard the results yet. Hmmmmmm.... I thought the FW Worlds were
going
to be in Thailand in December?
Have you seen the results of the German national FW races?
Formula 155's won all 9 events, and the first 4 overall positions.
Later, Roger
 
 
 

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Post by MTVNewsG » Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Randy wrote<< Gee - this thread is really turning into a "my board can beat up
your board"
type of thing.  I like it!!

Maybe we can get some of the protagonists to put some $ on the line here!! >>

Not a chance...I've seen Roger sail!  Furthermore, I am very e***d about
trying a Formula and a big Sailworks sail (bigger than my 8.8 Aerotech, at
least).

Randy (and everyone who can) I hope to see you there!

Michael
US5613