Heat and Humidity Warning?

Heat and Humidity Warning?

Post by Endo » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:56:06


My 430 Tidal Wave mast (non RDM) broke on the weekend. The mast only
had about 25 sessions on it. No damage anywhere. It broke half way
between the base and boom.

Although I hear this is not uncommon, it got me thinking. I keep my
gear in the loft of my shed. It gets pretty hot up there in the summer.
Maybe as high as 120F, I imagine. Sometimes my gear is a bit wet when I
put it away as well..

I noticed one day, to my surprise, that I could feel a bumpy fibreglass
pattern on the bottom of my board. Also, some very small paint blisters
started to appear. I think this must have had something to do with the
heat and humidity in my board bag, since when I brought the board
inside to dry, the bumps got much smaller and could be lightly sanded
away.

Could this also have something to do with my mast breaking? Anyone else
had this experience?

Endo

 
 
 

Heat and Humidity Warning?

Post by Dan Weis » Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:49:36

The blistering of your board is a result of water underneath the paint
as far as I know.  This can happen because of a leaking board, or from
storing a wet board inside a board bag for a long time.  I have no idea
why the board bag would make an otherwise sound hull become wet under
the paint, but it seems to be related to water vapor that penetrates
the board somehow (perhaps directly through the paint?) when the bag
becomes warm or hot.  I think this should not happen, but perhaps the
paint jobs on some boards aren't as top notch as found on other objects
like many cars.

My 2 cents is that the problem with the board is more likely due to
water inside the hull -perhaps from a punctured footstrap plug or crack
under a foot pad- and the heat generated when inside the bag pushes the
water out toward the board's perimeter where is shows up as blisters in
the paint.  Having had this occur on a number of boards, I find that
once you start to sand, the problem gets worse and worse.  Find the
leak, repair and repaint to cover the primer which itself is not great
at stopping water.

As for the mast, the Tidal Wave is a very durable mast, and quite good
at taking abuse because has a lower carbon content than most other
carbon masts.  Something like 35%.  Can you describe the break?  Does
it have a fairly clean line where it snapped or is it a messy, sloppy
break?  If the latter, it is entirely likely that the mast was damaged
by impact or point loading.  I suspect damage is the factor because a
poor lamination (as indicated by the former description) tends to show
up almost immediately -certainly in the first few hours of normal use.
That it lasted 25 sessions suggests it is not a manufacturing problem.
That said, you may never be able to pinpont the root cause of the
failure.

-Dan

Quote:

> My 430 Tidal Wave mast (non RDM) broke on the weekend. The mast only
> had about 25 sessions on it. No damage anywhere. It broke half way
> between the base and boom.

> Although I hear this is not uncommon, it got me thinking. I keep my
> gear in the loft of my shed. It gets pretty hot up there in the summer.
> Maybe as high as 120F, I imagine. Sometimes my gear is a bit wet when I
> put it away as well..

> I noticed one day, to my surprise, that I could feel a bumpy fibreglass
> pattern on the bottom of my board. Also, some very small paint blisters
> started to appear. I think this must have had something to do with the
> heat and humidity in my board bag, since when I brought the board
> inside to dry, the bumps got much smaller and could be lightly sanded
> away.

> Could this also have something to do with my mast breaking? Anyone else
> had this experience?

> Endo


 
 
 

Heat and Humidity Warning?

Post by Tom - Chicag » Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:13:56

How long was the mast extension you were using - could it have "point
loaded" the mast?

Tom - Chicago


Quote:
> My 430 Tidal Wave mast (non RDM) broke on the weekend. The mast only
> had about 25 sessions on it. No damage anywhere. It broke half way
> between the base and boom.

> Although I hear this is not uncommon, it got me thinking. I keep my
> gear in the loft of my shed. It gets pretty hot up there in the summer.
> Maybe as high as 120F, I imagine. Sometimes my gear is a bit wet when I
> put it away as well..

> I noticed one day, to my surprise, that I could feel a bumpy fibreglass
> pattern on the bottom of my board. Also, some very small paint blisters
> started to appear. I think this must have had something to do with the
> heat and humidity in my board bag, since when I brought the board
> inside to dry, the bumps got much smaller and could be lightly sanded
> away.

> Could this also have something to do with my mast breaking? Anyone else
> had this experience?

> Endo


 
 
 

Heat and Humidity Warning?

Post by Dan Weis » Fri, 29 Sep 2006 04:41:50

Sorry, Endo, I forgot to add that it is very unlikely that a mast will
break as a result of sitting uncompressed in a place with heat less
than 150 degrees F.  The manufacturing process istelf exposes the mast
to temps much higher than that.  It also is strange that heat does tend
to affect masts when under compression, like leaving a tensioned sail
sitting in the sun due to the very same logic.  But that's another
discussion.

-Dan

Quote:

> The blistering of your board is a result of water underneath the paint
> as far as I know.  This can happen because of a leaking board, or from
> storing a wet board inside a board bag for a long time.  I have no idea
> why the board bag would make an otherwise sound hull become wet under
> the paint, but it seems to be related to water vapor that penetrates
> the board somehow (perhaps directly through the paint?) when the bag
> becomes warm or hot.  I think this should not happen, but perhaps the
> paint jobs on some boards aren't as top notch as found on other objects
> like many cars.

> My 2 cents is that the problem with the board is more likely due to
> water inside the hull -perhaps from a punctured footstrap plug or crack
> under a foot pad- and the heat generated when inside the bag pushes the
> water out toward the board's perimeter where is shows up as blisters in
> the paint.  Having had this occur on a number of boards, I find that
> once you start to sand, the problem gets worse and worse.  Find the
> leak, repair and repaint to cover the primer which itself is not great
> at stopping water.

> As for the mast, the Tidal Wave is a very durable mast, and quite good
> at taking abuse because has a lower carbon content than most other
> carbon masts.  Something like 35%.  Can you describe the break?  Does
> it have a fairly clean line where it snapped or is it a messy, sloppy
> break?  If the latter, it is entirely likely that the mast was damaged
> by impact or point loading.  I suspect damage is the factor because a
> poor lamination (as indicated by the former description) tends to show
> up almost immediately -certainly in the first few hours of normal use.
> That it lasted 25 sessions suggests it is not a manufacturing problem.
> That said, you may never be able to pinpont the root cause of the
> failure.

> -Dan

> > My 430 Tidal Wave mast (non RDM) broke on the weekend. The mast only
> > had about 25 sessions on it. No damage anywhere. It broke half way
> > between the base and boom.

> > Although I hear this is not uncommon, it got me thinking. I keep my
> > gear in the loft of my shed. It gets pretty hot up there in the summer.
> > Maybe as high as 120F, I imagine. Sometimes my gear is a bit wet when I
> > put it away as well..

> > I noticed one day, to my surprise, that I could feel a bumpy fibreglass
> > pattern on the bottom of my board. Also, some very small paint blisters
> > started to appear. I think this must have had something to do with the
> > heat and humidity in my board bag, since when I brought the board
> > inside to dry, the bumps got much smaller and could be lightly sanded
> > away.

> > Could this also have something to do with my mast breaking? Anyone else
> > had this experience?

> > Endo

 
 
 

Heat and Humidity Warning?

Post by Endo » Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:03:56

The break was very clean . Straight across.

The mast had no damage to it at all prior to the break. It was kept in
a solid mast bag.

Very strange.

Endo

  Can you describe the break?  Does

Quote:
> it have a fairly clean line where it snapped or is it a messy, sloppy
> break?

 
 
 

Heat and Humidity Warning?

Post by Endo » Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:08:42

I was using a new medium Chinook aluminum extension. The break happened
about  8 inches above the end of the extension or about half way
between the base and boom.

I'm replacing it with a Powerex Z-wave 430. I'll stay away from
Fiberspar from now on.

I was thinking about getting an RDM, but I'm not sure how my sails will
rig on it. I also don't feel like replacing my two extensions.

Endo

Quote:

> How long was the mast extension you were using - could it have "point
> loaded" the mast?

> Tom - Chicago