I'm doing a speach next week on the increase in climbing over the last 5
yrs and I am having a super hard time finding any stats. to show this.
This is my first time using this newsgroup and really hope you can help me
out. Any specific information at all would be a huge help. Thanks and
Contact the National Park Service Climbing Rangers at several different
parks (eg Denali (Talkeetna), Grand Tetons, Rock Mtn (Estes)).
They should be able to estimate the percentage change
in number of permits issued.
Don't bother with parks that don't issue climbing permits.
Then call a few companies like Black Diamond, Marmot, and Climb High whose
sales are mostly to climbers. Do not call a company like Camp Trails,
North Face, or Patagonia that have a much broader based clientel.
You could also try calling a few retail stores but their perspective
will be pretty narrow unless they have a thriving mail order business,
: Thanks all and i sure hope the crags stay dry for you!!!
Thanks all and i sure hope the crags stay dry for you!!!
The diverse nature of climbing is such that this job is nearly impossible.
Where do you go to collect this data? The gyms? Can't do that since lots
of climbers don't climb in gyms (me, for one) so you miss all that fall under
that grouping. Also there are lots of people who go to gyms, but they don't
climb outside...where do you put them. They probably shouldn't count as
You may just have to give the speech and forget the actual numbers. Maybe
the speech could be about trying to collect accurate statistics on the climbing
community and all the problems that presents?
"Speed of lightning, roar of thunder, fighting those
who rob and plunder, Underdog..."
One set of specific numbers that might help is contained in the Devil's
Tower Climbing Management Plan. Climber registration has been required
there for quite a number of years and the Plan containes a nice set
of # permits issued over the last 10 years or so (if memory serves).
That's only one area, but it's a set of fairly hard numbers.
> Thanks all and i sure hope the crags stay dry for you!!!
Regarding competitions, call the ASCF for at least the "official" comps.
Call Ralf Erenzo at 212-865-4383.
Regarding cash value of industry, there are no hard numbers, but you might
call OUTDOOR RETAILER for their at kit which has some figures.
It would be nice of you to post some of the data back to the group.
TO: Ralph W Laurie
I'm not sure exactly what kind of statistics you are looking for. However,
I have been climbing for five years and noted some dramatic changes at my
There has been an explosion of climbers at Ralph Stover State Park's High
Rock area in Pennsylvania. I would go as far to say that over the last 2
years the amount of climbers has increased nearly 50%.
Many of these climbers are new inexperienced climbers who lack proper
training. This not only endangers the persons climbing but those in nearby
areas. I've seen some pretty wild cases, ranging from questionable anchor
systems to folks actually throwing rocks off the cliff tops.
Top climber Mike Flood has been petitioning to treat the area as a high
use area. He has been very successful in increasing the safety awarness of
those who use the area. Another problem being addressed are the
enviornmental issues which have risen from the increased use of the area.
Such problems being addressed are; erosion, trash, saftey of onlookers,
onlookers awareness of climbers, introduction of washrooms, and climbers
awareness and respect for each other. A big problem this year has been
objects being launched from the cliff tops. Climbers working togehter with
the park rangers have been able to reduce the number of incidents but it
still remains an issue.
High Rocks is used basically for 'top rope' climbs. However, many of the
more experienced climbers stick with leading and have a refreshing
'purist' attitude. The cliffs range widely in ability, there are a number
of two pitch climbs and even a few three pitch climbs. The rock is
agralite, a form of slate which tends to be very crumbly. Protection for
leading is p.g. on most climbs. There are also several bolted routes which
are well maintained. This year many of the older blots (including some
1/4" button heads, frightening) were replaced with 3/4" metolis'.
Generally climbing seems to be a growing sport. Unlike more traditional
sports it can be very unforgiving and requires proper and ongoing
training. This fact unfortunately seems to be one that is ignored by the
Good luck with your speech, I hope that some of this information was
useful. Good climbin' to ya!.