HELP Need climbing statistics

HELP Need climbing statistics

Post by Ralph W Laur » Sat, 08 Oct 1994 04:23:28


I'm doing a speach next week on the increase in climbing over the last 5
yrs and I am having a super hard time finding any stats. to show this.
This is my first time using this newsgroup and really hope you can help me
out.  Any specific information at all would be a huge help. Thanks and
good climbing
 
 
 

HELP Need climbing statistics

Post by Peter W. Hallin » Sun, 09 Oct 1994 05:53:54


   I'm doing a speach next week on the increase in climbing over the last 5
   yrs and I am having a super hard time finding any stats. to show this.
   This is my first time using this newsgroup and really hope you can help me
   out.  Any specific information at all would be a huge help. Thanks and
   good climbing

Contact the National Park Service Climbing Rangers at several different
parks (eg Denali (Talkeetna), Grand Tetons, Rock Mtn (Estes)).
They should be able to estimate the percentage change
in number of permits issued.
Don't bother with parks that don't issue climbing permits.

Then call a few companies like Black Diamond, Marmot, and Climb High whose
sales are mostly to climbers. Do not call a company like Camp Trails,
North Face, or Patagonia that have a much broader based clientel.

You could also try calling a few retail stores but their perspective
will be pretty narrow unless they have a thriving mail order business,
eg IME.

- Peter

 
 
 

HELP Need climbing statistics

Post by Ralph W Laur » Sun, 09 Oct 1994 03:04:06


: I'm doing a speach next week on the increase in climbing over the last 5
: yrs and I am having a super hard time finding any stats. to show this.
: This is my first time using this newsgroup and really hope you can help me
: out.  Any specific information at all would be a huge help. Thanks and
: good climbing

 
 
 

HELP Need climbing statistics

Post by Ralph W Laur » Sun, 09 Oct 1994 03:05:22


: HELP HELP HELP
: I am in desperate need of climbing statistics in the US.  I am trying to
: research for a speech on the climbing explosion over the last 5 years.
: I need stats on the following:
: Number of recreational climbers in US
: Number of registered competitions
: Approximate cash value of climbing connected industries
: Any other information that could help

: Thanks all and i sure hope the crags stay dry for you!!!

 
 
 

HELP Need climbing statistics

Post by Ralph W Laur » Sun, 09 Oct 1994 02:49:37

HELP HELP HELP
I am in desperate need of climbing statistics in the US.  I am trying to
research for a speech on the climbing explosion over the last 5 years.
I need stats on the following:
Number of recreational climbers in US
Number of registered competitions
Approximate cash value of climbing connected industries
Any other information that could help

Thanks all and i sure hope the crags stay dry for you!!!

 
 
 

HELP Need climbing statistics

Post by Greg Opla » Tue, 11 Oct 1994 06:45:59


Quote:

>: I'm doing a speach next week on the increase in climbing over the last 5
>: yrs and I am having a super hard time finding any stats. to show this.
>: This is my first time using this newsgroup and really hope you can help me
>: out.  Any specific information at all would be a huge help. Thanks and
>: good climbing

I've seen your request for this information posted about six times now.
I think you should know that the numbers you are looking for probably don't
exist. There probably is no shortcut for quoting statistics on the current
state of climbing as it relates to five years ago and the only way you're
going to get these numbers is to do the data collection yourself.

The diverse nature of climbing is such that this job is nearly impossible.
Where do you go to collect this data? The gyms? Can't do that since lots
of climbers don't climb in gyms (me, for one) so you miss all that fall under
that grouping. Also there are lots of people who go to gyms, but they don't
climb outside...where do you put them. They probably shouldn't count as
"climbers."

You may just have to give the speech and forget the actual numbers. Maybe
the speech could be about trying to collect accurate statistics on the climbing
community and all the problems that presents?

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HELP Need climbing statistics

Post by Peter.N.Steinme » Wed, 12 Oct 1994 06:05:51


: I'm doing a speach next week on the increase in climbing over the last 5
: yrs and I am having a super hard time finding any stats. to show this.

One set of specific numbers that might help is contained in the Devil's
Tower Climbing Management Plan.  Climber registration has been required
there for quite a number of years and the Plan containes a nice set
of # permits issued over the last 10 years or so (if memory serves).

That's only one area, but it's a set of fairly hard numbers.


 
 
 

HELP Need climbing statistics

Post by Eugene N. Mi » Sat, 15 Oct 1994 06:59:37

Sorry.  Someone stoled the register......


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HELP Need climbing statistics

Post by Larry W. Smi » Sat, 15 Oct 1994 11:31:07


Quote:

> HELP HELP HELP
> I am in desperate need of climbing statistics in the US.  I am trying to
> research for a speech on the climbing explosion over the last 5 years.
> I need stats on the following:
> Number of recreational climbers in US
> Number of registered competitions
> Approximate cash value of climbing connected industries
> Any other information that could help

> Thanks all and i sure hope the crags stay dry for you!!!

You might call both OUTSIDE MAGAZINE and CLIMBING and get their Advertising
Kits.  They have some numbers that are at least "accepted" if not
particularly accurate.

Regarding competitions, call the ASCF for at least the "official" comps.
Call Ralf Erenzo at 212-865-4383.

Regarding cash value of industry, there are no hard numbers, but you might
call OUTDOOR RETAILER for their at kit which has some figures.
800/950-1314.

It would be nice of you to post some of the data back to the group.

 
 
 

HELP Need climbing statistics

Post by Wdis » Fri, 09 Dec 1994 00:55:07


TO: Ralph W Laurie

Quote:
>I'm doing a speech next week on the increase in climbing over the last

five years...

I'm not sure exactly what kind of statistics you are looking for. However,
I have been climbing for five years and noted some dramatic changes at my
favorite areas.

There has been an explosion of climbers at Ralph Stover State Park's High
Rock area in Pennsylvania. I would go as far to say that over the last 2
years the amount of climbers has increased nearly 50%.

Many of these climbers are new inexperienced climbers who lack proper
training. This not only endangers the persons climbing but those in nearby
areas. I've seen some pretty wild cases, ranging from questionable anchor
systems to folks actually throwing rocks off the cliff tops.

Top climber Mike Flood has been petitioning to treat the area as a high
use area. He has been very successful in increasing the safety awarness of
those who use the area. Another problem being addressed are the
enviornmental issues which have risen from the increased use of the area.
Such problems being addressed are; erosion, trash, saftey of onlookers,
onlookers awareness of climbers, introduction of washrooms, and climbers
awareness and respect for each other. A big problem this year has been
objects being launched from the cliff tops. Climbers working togehter with
the park rangers have been able to reduce the number of incidents but it
still remains an issue.

High Rocks is used basically for 'top rope' climbs. However, many of the
more experienced climbers stick with leading and have a refreshing
'purist' attitude. The cliffs range widely in ability, there are a number
of two pitch climbs and even a few three pitch climbs. The rock is
agralite, a form of slate which tends to be very crumbly. Protection for
leading is p.g. on most climbs. There are also several bolted routes which
are well maintained. This year many of the older blots (including some
1/4" button heads, frightening) were replaced with 3/4" metolis'.

Generally climbing seems to be a growing sport. Unlike more traditional
sports it can be very unforgiving and requires proper and ongoing
training. This fact unfortunately seems to be one that is ignored by the
new masses.

Good luck with your speech, I hope that some of this information was
useful. Good climbin' to ya!.