Euro-death knot in Rock and Ice?

Euro-death knot in Rock and Ice?

Post by Steve Prout » Tue, 28 Mar 2000 04:00:00


Just received my copy of R&I this weekend and happened to notice a
picture of the Euro-death Knot in the supplemental "rope" section.  Since
the knot pictured does not look the knot I've been tying and using I was
wondering what's going on.  I was under the impression that a Euro-death
knot was tied by laying the rope ends side by side and facing the same
direction.  Both strands are then joined by a simple overhand bend.  The
knot pictured looked like it was tied in the same manner that I tie a
water knot in webbing or it at least looked like the tails were facing in
opposite directions.  Have I been tying the knot wrong all along or is
the knot in the picture mislabeled?

Curious,
Stephen Prouty

 
 
 

Euro-death knot in Rock and Ice?

Post by Spark » Tue, 28 Mar 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

> Just received my copy of R&I this weekend and happened to notice a
> picture of the Euro-death Knot in the supplemental "rope" section.  Since
> the knot pictured does not look the knot I've been tying and using I was
> wondering what's going on.  I was under the impression that a Euro-death
> knot was tied by laying the rope ends side by side and facing the same
> direction.  Both strands are then joined by a simple overhand bend.

the eurodeathknot is started the same way but tied in a figure 8, not an
overhand

 
 
 

Euro-death knot in Rock and Ice?

Post by Bob Tern » Tue, 28 Mar 2000 04:00:00



#
#> Just received my copy of R&I this weekend and happened to notice a
#> picture of the Euro-death Knot in the supplemental "rope" section.  Since
#> the knot pictured does not look the knot I've been tying and using I was
#> wondering what's going on.  I was under the impression that a Euro-death
#> knot was tied by laying the rope ends side by side and facing the same
#> direction.  Both strands are then joined by a simple overhand bend.
#
#the eurodeathknot is started the same way but tied in a figure 8, not an
#overhand

That's wrong. Rapping on two ropes joined with a pass-through figure eight is
fine, but not the EDK. Rapping on two ropes joined with a EDK-like figure
eight is pretty much just a 'DK.'

Honestly, the Euro death knot ain't so bad, hence UIAA's explicit approval.

Bob Ternes


 
 
 

Euro-death knot in Rock and Ice?

Post by kevin griffi » Tue, 28 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Am I missing something?  Has the "euro deathknot" (aka an overhand knot)
been shown recently to be unsafe?  I have been using it for over ten years
with no problems.  Of course, I haven't been [performing rescue duties.
What's the big deal?

kevin

Quote:

> Organization: Pollak
> Newsgroups: rec.climbing
> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:12:21 -0500
> Subject: Euro-death knot in Rock and Ice?

> Just received my copy of R&I this weekend and happened to notice a
> picture of the Euro-death Knot in the supplemental "rope" section.  Since
> the knot pictured does not look the knot I've been tying and using I was
> wondering what's going on.  I was under the impression that a Euro-death
> knot was tied by laying the rope ends side by side and facing the same
> direction.  Both strands are then joined by a simple overhand bend.  The
> knot pictured looked like it was tied in the same manner that I tie a
> water knot in webbing or it at least looked like the tails were facing in
> opposite directions.  Have I been tying the knot wrong all along or is
> the knot in the picture mislabeled?

> Curious,
> Stephen Prouty

 
 
 

Euro-death knot in Rock and Ice?

Post by Steve Prout » Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> Am I missing something...

No I am.  Sorry, but I posted this prior to going back a second time and
really studying the picture in the article.  The knot IS labeled
correctly and is in fact tied the same way I tie it.  I think I just
confused which sections were the tails and which were the standing ends.  
Sorry for the confusion.

Stephen "I'll be under my desk lurking if anyone wants me" Prouty