trickable high wind kite?

trickable high wind kite?

Post by Jason Ro » Tue, 06 May 1997 04:00:00


I'm in search of a new kite...  Since I just moved from an area where the
pre*** wind was in the under 5 mph range, I have a nice one-off
ultra-light for those conditions.  Now,  get to deal with winds that are
usually in the 10-15+ mph area.  I realize that high wind kites are not as
*** as the sul/indoor ones, but it looks like I need one  :)  I'm not
concerned with "precision" abilities...  "tricking" is important... slower
forward speed is better (I'm not looking for a 4' wing that zips all over
the place, slow and graceful is more my thing) and I'd rather not be
attached to something that pulls like a truck...   I looked through the
review FAQ and only saw 1 or 2 vented kites listed, anybody want to share
some thoughts on some others?  Is there a kite out there that is "the"
high-wind kite?

For some reason, I'm also thinking about a quad for high wind situations
(okay, I'm thinking about getting a quad, and I'm thinking about getting a
high wind kite, so if these two goals could be combined, that would be
nice on the wallet)  The Synergy Deca's are appealing to me...  do they
hold together in strong winds?

So, what's the high wind thought (dual and quad)?

Jason

 
 
 

trickable high wind kite?

Post by David Greenhou » Wed, 07 May 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
>I'm in search of a new kite...  Since I just moved from an area where the
>pre*** wind was in the under 5 mph range, I have a nice one-off
>ultra-light for those conditions.  Now,  get to deal with winds that are
>usually in the 10-15+ mph area.  I realize that high wind kites are not as
>*** as the sul/indoor ones, but it looks like I need one  :)  I'm not
>concerned with "precision" abilities...  "tricking" is important

Any of Tims trick kites will do in this range.
The slow and gracefull sounds like a Box or a Fusion if precision is
at all important.

Quote:
>... slower
>forward speed is better (I'm not looking for a 4' wing that zips all over
>the place, slow and graceful is more my thing) and I'd rather not be
>attached to something that pulls like a truck...   I looked through the
>review FAQ and only saw 1 or 2 vented kites listed, anybody want to share
>some thoughts on some others?  Is there a kite out there that is "the"
>high-wind kite?

For my money the Matchbox is the weapon for anything over 12mph.
I have a Psycho, AzizA, and now a Matchbox.
The Psycho is frenetic and a tad fragile. The Aziza is a fine high
wind trickster and until last week would have been my first
recomendenation but after swirly and  hectic winds at the Harwood
House Kite festival (gusting to 20mph+) this weekend and sampling them
both in tricky conditions the Matchbox comes out as a clear winner in
my book.

Quote:
>For some reason, I'm also thinking about a quad for high wind situations
>(okay, I'm thinking about getting a quad, and I'm thinking about getting a
>high wind kite, so if these two goals could be combined, that would be
>nice on the wallet)  The Synergy Deca's are appealing to me...  do they
>hold together in strong winds?

see George Gilchrists reply on this one

Quote:
>So, what's the high wind thought (dual and quad)?

If you like turbo bridles and speed try the Aziza but for a regular
highwinder a Matchbox will be hard to beat.

Quote:
>Jason


BTW I have nothing to do with Tim or Benson kites other than as a
satisfied customer.

Hope this helps
..................Dave G

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trickable high wind kite?

Post by Speed » Thu, 08 May 1997 04:00:00

Hello

it is true. Vented kites most of the time do not offer the same than the
normal version. Smaller kites like the Matchbox (Tim Benson), Aziza
(Chris Matheson) and Psycho (Andy Preston) (all english<:)) are fast and
very tricky kites. But you may miss the soft control of a big wing. I
just saw three vented kites which works well: The Kick (Robo Spitters),
High Level vented (Level One) and Eclipse vented (prism). The Kick looks
like being one of the best vented I ever saw.

Stay safe + have fun with love
Speedy

P. S. i do not put com. sorry, but why?

 
 
 

trickable high wind kite?

Post by Andy Wardl » Thu, 08 May 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>I just got, but have not yet flown, a Benson Matchbox. Andy Wardly says
>it's just what I want: a Box of Tricks for higher winds, and I do trust
>Andy's judgement.

That George is such a nice guy :-)

Seriously though, what George says is true.  Vented kites do get the
sluggies sometimes and often a smaller kite is the way to go.  Be warned
though, that smaller kites often mean faster flying and definitely
more radical so they're not always the best choice for a total novice.

Having said that about vented kites, I *have* vented an old Icarex
Box of Tricks sail with pretty good results.  There's a picture of it
on my web site at http://www.peritas.com/~abw/kite/gallery.html
The vented panels were placed by intuition (read: "guessed") rather than
any specific scientific reasoning, but it seems to be just right.  The
kite retains nearly all of it's typical "Box of Trickness" but pushes
the upper wind limit up by a good 5mph or so.

I don't think it's ever likely to become a production model, but if
you happen to have an old BOT skin (or 9 in my case :-) lying around,
it's worth a go.  

Try to use venting which doesn't have too much stretch in it.  Most
venting will stretch a fair amount diagonally to the grain, but it's the
stretch (or lack of it) along and across the fabric that is particularly
important.  Line the grain up with the trailing edge, sew the vent to the
sail (I lifted the leading edge seam and inserted the vent under this as
well), trim away the excess vent fabric *around* the stiches and the sail
fabric *inside* the vented area and then wait for a windy day!

Andy "His Box of Trickness" Wardley

--

A responsible and professional individual who has no need for silly
comments, inane banter or bizarre "in-jokes" in his signature file.  

 
 
 

trickable high wind kite?

Post by BC » Thu, 08 May 1997 04:00:00

...Jason

For a quad, I'd look at the Deca 15.  It comes (I believe) with two bow
spars, one for low & the other for higher wind flying.  I also heard
there is a slightly smaller version of the deca (not the Mynergy) but am
not sure what it is called

For dual line flying I have three suggestions two vented, the other not.
First you may want to look into either a vented Eclipse (Prism) or a
vented Jam Session.  next, there is the Sonic by Buena Vista.  This is
an unvented wing, which however, does not pull like a truck and can be
tricked in higher winds (It's built in the SF Bay area).  I've
successfully performed axels, flick-flacks, turtles, flares, etc in
winds of 15mph+ with this kite.

Check your local kite shop for prices

...hope this helps.

--

                ...no matter where you go, there's always wind...

BC Shelby

 
 
 

trickable high wind kite?

Post by Sander Houd » Sat, 10 May 1997 04:00:00



Quote:
> Hello

> it is true. Vented kites most of the time do not offer the same than the
> normal version. Smaller kites like the Matchbox (Tim Benson), Aziza
> (Chris Matheson) and Psycho (Andy Preston) (all english<:)) are fast and
> very tricky kites. But you may miss the soft control of a big wing. I
> just saw three vented kites which works well: The Kick (Robo Spitters),
> High Level vented (Level One) and Eclipse vented (prism). The Kick looks
> like being one of the best vented I ever saw.

> Stay safe + have fun with love
> Speedy

> P. S. i do not put com. sorry, but why?

The Kick is the best trick-kite available, very precise and fast. It is the
only trick-kite that has mine interest.

greetings Sander Houd