Flexis and other Power Kites - All comments welcome (requested)

Flexis and other Power Kites - All comments welcome (requested)

Post by Stephen Ze » Sat, 14 Aug 1993 06:43:44


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        Hello everyone, I'm still out here looking for my first power kite.
My last posting asking about the Super Sky Dart only received 3 responses,
one said it was great, one said it was extremely boring and the other said
I could get a flexi for around the same price.  I was hoping for a little
more info about flexifoils.  

        Are Flexis fun/challenging/exciting to fly if you are not in a buggy
or other pullable object?  It was my understanding that they are rather
slow/boring hard pulling kites.  Are they any good at doing tricks and
assorted stunts?  What size would be best for me to start with, 4, 6, 8,
or 10' flexi, and where can I get them for the lowest price?

        I would really appreciate any and all comments about the flexis and
super sky dart, or any power kite that you would recommend.  Either e-mail
or post, and thanks again.

                                        Steve.


TASC
Reston, VA

 
 
 

Flexis and other Power Kites - All comments welcome (requested)

Post by Stephen Ze » Sat, 14 Aug 1993 08:20:09

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        Hello everyone, I'm still out here looking for my first power kite.
My last posting asking about the Super Sky Dart only received 3 responses,
one said it was great, one said it was extremely boring and the other said
I could get a flexi for around the same price.  I was hoping for a little
more info about flexifoils.  

        Are Flexis fun/challenging/exciting to fly if you are not in a buggy
or other pullable object?  It was my understanding that they are rather
slow/boring hard pulling kites.  Are they any good at doing tricks and
assorted stunts?  What size would be best for me to start with, 4, 6, 8,
or 10' flexi, and where can I get them for the lowest price?

        I would really appreciate any and all comments about the flexis and
super sky dart, or any power kite that you would recommend.  Either e-mail
or post, and thanks again.

                                        Steve.


TASC
Reston, VA

 
 
 

Flexis and other Power Kites - All comments welcome (requested)

Post by Sam Ritter x31 » Sun, 15 Aug 1993 05:17:43

Quote:

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>    Hello everyone, I'm still out here looking for my first power kite.

>    Are Flexis fun/challenging/exciting to fly if you are not in a buggy
>or other pullable object?  It was my understanding that they are rather
>slow/boring hard pulling kites.  Are they any good at doing tricks and
>assorted stunts?  What size would be best for me to start with, 4, 6, 8,
>or 10' flexi, and where can I get them for the lowest price?

>    I would really appreciate any and all comments about the flexis and
>super sky dart, or any power kite that you would recommend.  Either e-mail
>or post, and thanks again.

>                                    Steve.


>TASC
>Reston, VA

First of all, the only trick that you can do with flexi's is to flip the kite
over itself up near the top of the wind window.  You can't do too much ground
play with those flying air mattresses, cause once you hit the ground you're
looking at a relaunch if you want to keep flying.

Now about speed.  They are the fastest kites.

If you want some awesome dual-line power, take a look at the Peter Lyn Peel.
This kite, the 5m flavor(15 ft wing span) broke 300# kevlar in 5-7mph wind.
The kite is fairly slow moving and very controllable.  

Personally, I think that your best bet for fun, power, and _safety_ are the
quad-line kites.  The quads have a wide variety of tricks that you can do,
and if you are into getting pulled around, they can be held in the power zone
as long as you want the power.  

Take a look at Revs( stacked ), Quadrifoils, and Force-10 Foils.

Sam Ritter
Ann Arbor MI  
President 5/20 Kite Group Detroit

 
 
 

Flexis and other Power Kites - All comments welcome (requested)

Post by Andrew Beatt » Sun, 15 Aug 1993 13:48:57


Quote:
>First of all, the only trick that you can do with flexi's is to flip the kite
>over itself up near the top of the wind window.  You can't do too much ground
>play with those flying air mattresses, cause once you hit the ground you're
>looking at a relaunch if you want to keep flying.

Granted that the flexi's groundwork is limited but it does still have a bag
of tricks.  You can:
   do tip-stands at the edge of the window (quite impressive with a stack).
   land it in the middle of the window, ready for take off (took me *ages*
      to learn that)
   Run (walk!) 360s (real impressive but not much harder with a big stack).
   Fly over the top.
   Drop it from the top of the window and try to catch it (a fun game).
   While you've got the foil in your hand, try throwing it up-wind, 'cause
      it'll loop up and over for you to catch it.
   The instructions show you how to re-launch from an inverted landing.

Quote:
>If you want some awesome dual-line power, take a look at the Peter Lyn Peel.
>This kite, the 5m flavor(15 ft wing span) broke 300# kevlar in 5-7mph wind.
>The kite is fairly slow moving and very controllable.  

Yeah.  Try these (some require low wind):
   Fly this backwards (stalled)
   Run 360's (I sometimes fly on 80lb line!).
   The Peel does tip drags like nothing else.
   Do a tip stand and keep going down until the whole kite is collapsed,
      then recover.
   I've never done an "over-the-top" with a peel - has anyone else mastered it?
   Fly with two people (one handle each).  I've done tip stands with an
      eight(?) year old girl who was a complete novice.

Andrew
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Flexis and other Power Kites - All comments welcome (requested)

Post by Jeffrey C. Bur » Mon, 16 Aug 1993 00:15:36


Quote:
>First of all, the only trick that you can do with flexi's is to flip the kite
>over itself up near the top of the wind window.  You can't do too much ground
>play with those flying air mattresses, cause once you hit the ground you're
>looking at a relaunch if you want to keep flying.

You need to spend a *lot* more time flying Flexifoils.

First of all, that somersault you refer to can, depending on wind conditions,
be done virtually anywhere in the window with the kite moving in any
direction.

As for groundwork, well, that takes a *lot* of practice and is much "safer"
in lower winds (say, 3 or 4 to 8) and I dunno if it can be done anywhere but
the edge of the window.  But yes, I can do tipstands with a 6' Flexifoil
(stand and re-launch, not stand-and-crash)

Flexifoils also skate extremely well.  You can do some interesting
turning-stalls.  They're amazingly graceful and while they have a
relatively wide turning radius, they *scream* around those turns.  All
sorts of interesting things to do with 'em.

One of the things I love about the Flexifoil is that it's two, Two, TWO kites
in ONE!  With the Ultraflex spar, it's one of the best ULs around.  A
true finesse kite with an amazing amount of tricks up its sleeve.  When
the wind cranks up, slip out the Ultraflex and slip in the stock spar
and you've suddenly got a kite that pulls like a bear.

Jeff
(who, at this juncture is refraining from commenting about flexis as
power kites as compared to peels, quads, etc., because if he does, he'll
be late for a sled workshop...)

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Flexis and other Power Kites - All comments welcome (requested)

Post by Jeffrey C. Bur » Sat, 21 Aug 1993 21:33:47

Quote:

>    Hello everyone, I'm still out here looking for my first power kite.
>I was hoping for a little more info about flexifoils.  
>    Are Flexis fun/challenging/exciting to fly if you are not in a buggy
>or other pullable object?  It was my understanding that they are rather
>slow/boring hard pulling kites.  Are they any good at doing tricks and
>assorted stunts?

At lot of this has already been addressed in other messages by Andrew
Beattie, myself, and a couple of other folks.  Basically, the Flexi
is an extremely fast (a stock 6' has been clocked at 114) kite that is
extremely versatile--its flight characteristics can be changed completely
with the addition of an Ultraflex ultralight spar (a few companies, including
Clearwater, also make custom Flexi spars).  In high winds, the Flexi is
a fast kite with a strong, smooth pull that tests your ability to react to
an object moving in the 100mph range 100' away.  In low winds, the Flexi
is a finesse kite capable of a wide range of tricks.

Quote:
>What size would be best for me to start with, 4, 6, 8,
>or 10' flexi, and where can I get them for the lowest price?

The 4' has almost no pull.  A fun kite, perhaps, but hardly classifiable
as a power kite.   (~$80)

The 6' is a great kite.  It's got a tighter turning radius than the larger
kites but of course it doesn't pull as hard or fly as fast.  The 6' is
also referred to as the Stacker and it *is* great for stacking.  While a
single kite is probably never enough to drag an ***, 2 kites in a 25-30mph
wind is enough to drag me (~170 pounds).   Don't expect to get it off
the ground in winds less than 8-10 with the stock spar.  The Ultraflex,
extending the range down to about 2mph, is only $25  (~$130)

The 8' is said to possess the best characteristics of the 6' and the 10':
lighter wind range (with the stock spar), better turning radius.  A
great kite.  (~$180)

The 10' has a real strong pull, is real fast, flies in fairly low winds
with the stock spar, and has a real wide turning radius.  It helps to
have long arms to fly it.  ;-)  (~$270)

If you're curious about the wide variance in prices considering that
each increasing size of kite adds the same amount of fabric to the previous,
a lot of the difference is in the spar.  The 10', for instance, has a long
piece of solid carbon in the center of the spar; a replacement for
this stick will run you ~$60!

For a dealer, I'd try calling Dodd Gross up at DJ Sport Kites up in
York, PA.  717-840-0308

Once again, I'll also invite you down to the Mall some weekend.  This
weekend probably won't be that good because a lot of folks are up at
the NYSKC on Long Island.  Likewise, next Sunday will be pretty empty.
A good time to come would be in two weeks, on September 5th, which will
be one of our normal First Sunday flies.  There should be a lot of folks
around and you can probably try some of the kites you're interested
in.  You can certainly fly my Flexi(s) (I've 3 Stackers)

Jeff

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