help: high-wind kites

help: high-wind kites

Post by t.. » Tue, 07 Sep 1993 23:07:35


Wonder if anybody can give me some advice on a kite purchase.
I'm looking for a delta stunt kite that is going to perform
well in strong winds (15-35mph) and which generates a lot
of pull, but it still reasonably agile and fast.  I've
spoken to several shops, and I seem to get conflicting
information on different models, so I thought I'd appeal
to the net.

Kites that have been suggested so far include:

Benson Tempo and Bantam,
Highflyers Spectre,
Rare Air Cheetah,
Liteflite Heavy

Can anybody offer any advice on these models, or suggest a strong,
high performance delta?  It would be much appreciated.

Being a 'power' junkie I have had foils suggested to me by several
folks.  I'm hoping to get a foil (flexifoil super 10 perhaps) but
I'd like a fast and furious delta to go with it as well.  I've also
had stacking suggested to me as well, but it seems like an expensive
option.

One last question (sorry to go on!) but has anyboy seen, flown
or heard of the French Paimpol Voiles range of kites?  I've
looked at the Salto model and it seems very impressive from the
technical blurb (force1-force7 flying range!) but haven't found
a UK dealer that has flown one yet :o(

Thanks in advance.

tom.
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help: high-wind kites

Post by Jeffrey C. Bur » Wed, 08 Sep 1993 10:35:25

Quote:

>Wonder if anybody can give me some advice on a kite purchase.

We're *always* willing to give advice on kite purchases.  Whether the
advice is worth taking remains to be seen.  ;-)

Quote:
>I'm looking for a delta stunt kite that is going to perform
>well in strong winds (15-35mph) and which generates a lot
>of pull, but it still reasonably agile and fast.

Try a stack of the small Speedwings.  They yank and they scream in high
wind.  Very fast, very agile.  The kites are fairly cheap (I believe ~$60
each over here...) and the advantage to going the stacking route is that
you can always add more kites at a later date.  I've seen folks flying
stacks of Speedwings in winds over 35mph.

I've no idea what the pull of a big stack would be like, but the ToL Snap
is quite fun in a 40mph wind.  I would guess that the 48" Razorwing from
Skynasaur would perform similarly but I've not flown one.

Beyond those kites, I don't know of too many others beside the Flexifoil
that can handle winds as high as those mentioned with comfort.  One sees
lots of frame distortion, the wing tips start shuddering, and the kite just
doesn't fly all too well.

Jeff

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help: high-wind kites

Post by Simo Salan » Wed, 08 Sep 1993 16:17:58

Quote:

>One last question (sorry to go on!) but has anyboy seen, flown
>or heard of the French Paimpol Voiles range of kites?  I've
>looked at the Salto model and it seems very impressive from the
>technical blurb (force1-force7 flying range!) but haven't found
>a UK dealer that has flown one yet :o(

Paimpol Voiles applied for a French patent on using bungee
cord for tensioning stunt kite sail. The case went to court,
unfortunately Paimpol Voiles party won the case.

I feel it's unfair and hurts the industry (Or will force
competitors to invent better solutions:-). My personal decision
is to boycott(sp?) Paimpol Voiles - I don't buy their handles any more!

Smooth Winds


 
 
 

help: high-wind kites

Post by Simo Salan » Wed, 08 Sep 1993 16:48:14


Quote:
>Paimpol Voiles applied for a French patent on using bungee
>cord for tensioning stunt kite sail. The case went to court,
>unfortunately Paimpol Voiles party won the case.

                              ^^^^^
Sorry a typo, should read partly.
Simo
 
 
 

help: high-wind kites

Post by Patrick Pross » Wed, 08 Sep 1993 18:11:15

All of the swsk's that you mentioned are good strong wind fliers.
However, if you want pull, then go for the Spectre. It will pull
you off your feel, it is fast, and it is fun. As for the French
kites, Paimpol Voiles, I think that they are crap. They are badly
build, poorly designed, heavy, use bad materials, and they dont
fly well. This is a purely technical/objective appraisal.

Patrick

 
 
 

help: high-wind kites

Post by Andrew Beatt » Wed, 08 Sep 1993 17:20:48

Quote:

>I'm looking for a delta stunt kite that is going to perform
>well in strong winds (15-35mph) and which generates a lot
>of pull, but it still reasonably agile and fast.

If I had access to those sort of winds, I'd buy a Flexifoil Peco.  It's small
fast and *well*made*.  It's not likely to pull much, but good small kites
are a blast in a good wind.

Andrew
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help: high-wind kites

Post by Marty Sasa » Fri, 10 Sep 1993 01:45:39

Quote:

>Wonder if anybody can give me some advice on a kite purchase.
>I'm looking for a delta stunt kite that is going to perform
>well in strong winds (15-35mph) and which generates a lot
>of pull, but it still reasonably agile and fast.  I've
>spoken to several shops, and I seem to get conflicting
>information on different models, so I thought I'd appeal
>to the net.

I find this an interesting set of conditions. Most folks look for a
kite that doesn't pull much in heavy winds so that they can maintain
control. Many kites really start moving in heavy winds, so often you
look for a kite that can be slowed down a bit as well.

The fastest kite I've flown in heavy winds (25+ mph) is the 4 foot
flexifoil. Fly it on short lines and it can be quite a handful.
Another fast kite is the locally (New England) made Lazer, a 3/4 sized
Spinoff-like kite. The stock frame is fairly heavy fiberglass, so it
stands up well to the wind.

Alan Nagao used to tell stories about flying specially made Hawaiian
Team kites. These things were heavy duty all around. Possibly you can
have a manufacturer make you a really heavy wind kite.

I've flown my various trains of Dyna-kites (diamond stunter with
tails) in very strong wind. The nice thing about trains is that you
can add to them a kite at a time, so initial investment doesn't have
to be high. You can also remove kites if the pull is too great.

There are several competition-style kites that hold up to high winds
and allow control. These kites have lower pull and  slower speeds.

        - The North Shore Radical VIP. This kite was one of the first
          to use screening material in the sail to reduce pull. It was
          designed by Darrin Skinner.

        - The Spectra Sport Storm Edge. Can you buy these? I've never
          seen them in shops.

        - Legend's Moriah. This kite is loads of fun as a quad lined
          kite as well.

        - The Storm Katana (actually a Katana II with lots of screen).

I'm sure that there are others. These are kites sold widely in the
USA. I won't comment on the kites you mentioned because I have no
direct experience with them.

Standard disclaimer: I make and sell kites and kite making supplies,
so my opinions are likely to be biased.
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help: high-wind kites

Post by Jeffrey C. Bur » Fri, 10 Sep 1993 05:13:41

Quote:

>There are several competition-style kites that hold up to high winds
>and allow control. These kites have lower pull and  slower speeds.
>    - The Spectra Sport Storm Edge. Can you buy these? I've never
>      seen them in shops.

There are actually two different high-wind Edges.  The first has the
triangular panel in the belly left out completely.  No screen--just a big
hole in the sail.  The Storm Edge has the same cut-out *plus* a big stripe
of screen going from the cut-out to the leading edge (as I recall it).  

At least one of these kites is commercially available because I know I've
seen the Edge advertised to come in 5 different configurations (though I
can think of six:  mini-Edge, 3/4 Edge, Comp Edge, UL Edge, Maxi Edge,
high-wind Edge, and Storm Edge).

Quote:
>    - Legend's Moriah. This kite is loads of fun as a quad lined
>      kite as well.

I've never liked the Moriah as a dual line kite.  It's *great* as a quad,
though!  I spent a while on the Monday after Wildwood flying a Moriah and
playing around with turtling it.  It flies quite well backward.
Unfortunately, though, to get good quad performance out of it, you
basically have to forget the suggested quad bridle points and set it up
completely differently (if anyone out there has a Moriah, I can *try* to
describe the different set up)

Jeff

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help: high-wind kites

Post by Marty Sasa » Fri, 10 Sep 1993 05:25:42


Quote:
>There are actually two different high-wind Edges.  The first has the
>triangular panel in the belly left out completely.  No screen--just a big
>hole in the sail.  The Storm Edge has the same cut-out *plus* a big stripe
>of screen going from the cut-out to the leading edge (as I recall it).  

The Holeshot has just the hole in it. In high winds, I can't tell the
difference between a Comp Edge and a Holeshot. The Storm Edge has the
screen stripe as Jeff describes. It pulls noticeably less, but still
pulls quite a bit.
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help: high-wind kites

Post by Kevin Mayeshi » Fri, 10 Sep 1993 12:50:15

:       - The Spectra Sport Storm Edge. Can you buy these? I've never
:         seen them in shops.

I've been waiting for the Storm Edge.  (Could have used one when I
went to the Berkeley Marina back in May.  Had a Hole Shot with me,
but I was still getting dragged around on the seat of my pants. :-)  

Anyway...  I have seen them twice, but they were not for sale.  Both
times either Team Tsunami or Team High Performance were at the other
end of the lines.  Oh well...  :-)  

- Kevin

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help: high-wind kites

Post by unkno » Fri, 10 Sep 1993 22:44:25


Quote:


>>Paimpol Voiles applied for a French patent on using bungee
>>cord for tensioning stunt kite sail. The case went to court,
>>unfortunately Paimpol Voiles party won the case.
>                              ^^^^^
>Sorry a typo, should read partly.
>Simo

UK importers for these are Windthings, Edinburgh (sorry I dont have the no.)
 
 
 

help: high-wind kites

Post by Andrew Beatt » Sat, 11 Sep 1993 00:53:30

Quote:
unknown (unknown) writes:


>>>Paimpol Voiles applied for a French patent on using bungee
>>>cord for tensioning stunt kite sail. The case went to court,
>>>unfortunately Paimpol Voiles party won the case.
>>                              ^^^^^
>>Sorry a typo, should read partly.
>UK importers for these are Windthings, Edinburgh (sorry I dont have the no.)

From the (as yet unpublished) first edition of the Kite Traction Newsletter:

Graham Benson, Graham Blance
Comment: Run "Wind Things" in Glasgow.  The first traders with buggies in
         Scotland.
Address: 3-5 Gibson Street, Glasgow, G12 8NU, UK
Phone: +44 41 334 3336

Paul Carline
Comment: Runs "Wind Things" in Edinburgh.
Address: 11 Cowgate Head, Edinburgh, EH1 1JY, UK
Phone: +44 31 220 6336

Andrew
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help: high-wind kites

Post by Dick Be » Wed, 15 Sep 1993 09:55:47

Stuff deleted
 >>
 >> From the (as yet unpublished) first edition of the Kite Traction Newsletter:
 >>
 >> Graham Benson, Graham Blance
 >> Comment: Run "Wind Things" in Glasgow.  The first traders with buggies in
 >>          Scotland.
 >> Address: 3-5 Gibson Street, Glasgow, G12 8NU, UK
 >> Phone: +44 41 334 3336
 >>
 >> Paul Carline
 >> Comment: Runs "Wind Things" in Edinburgh.
 >> Address: 11 Cowgate Head, Edinburgh, EH1 1JY, UK
 >> Phone: +44 31 220 6336
 >>
 >> Andrew

Andrew,  Please add another purveyer of buggy related items to your list for
the next news letter.

 Gene and Connie Woods
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 Address:  1200 SE 34, #21,  Oklahoma City, OK  73129
 Phone:  (405)670-2221       Cal Rep- Dan Anderson (619)632-6828

They carry "BO's" buggies and other goodies :)     Thanx
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