Re; sleeving spectra-how.

Re; sleeving spectra-how.

Post by JTav » Sat, 17 Dec 1994 01:06:55



Quote:
>Much about sleeving and> There are some who never sleeve, but since the

knot weakens the line considerably, the old engineering maxim is only
re-enforced "If it don't break, it's too heavy!"<

 WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!! ;-)  Maybe you need to get out more often and
try to expand your years old paradigms about spectra and sleeving! My last
thread on this tired old subject(see knot again:-). ) clearly took care of
the Old weak knot theory. Try the Bimini wrap. A relatively new fishing
knot that claims to retain 100% of the line strength!!!  I haven't tried
it yet but I also find that three overhand knots on UNSLEEVED spectra to
hold nicely. As for Corykites statement about high abrasion (hey Corey!)
Yes he has a point. There are situations that spectra will wear, such as
the metal loop on flexi's, but a small link line usually suffices.

Now, since I have been called both pathetic and a heretic online, Please
allow me give you MY complete guide to not sleeving spectra.

1. cut spectra into even lengths.
2. Tie three overhand knots or the bimini wrap.
3. fly your kite!!!!!!

Disclaimer:  I have nothing against sleeving really! I have just found it
to be a big waste of time! The only thing I have an issue with is the
belief that all sorts of bad things will happen if you don't sleeve. I
have competed for the last three years without sleeves and Never had a
line break at the knot. I buggy with unsleeved spectra and have had NO
problems.   Please, try it. You may like it. Try breaking unsleeved
spectra (tied correctly) and see for yourself. Try the new Bimini wrap!
As Marty stated, spectra is very abrasion resistant. You are correct sir.
Just try not to let the spectra slip at the knot as this causes the
spectra to melt and break. Come on people try it and tell me what you
think. plus, all you closet non-sleevers and wanna be's speak up!!!

(you didn't think I would be quiet on this subject did you?)

Be a rebel, fly sleeveless!!!!  John.

 
 
 

Re; sleeving spectra-how.

Post by Marty Sasa » Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:09:05

|> WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!! ;-)  Maybe you need to get out more often and
|>try to expand your years old paradigms about spectra and sleeving! My last
|>thread on this tired old subject(see knot again:-). ) clearly took care of
|>the Old weak knot theory. Try the Bimini wrap. A relatively new fishing
|>knot that claims to retain 100% of the line strength!!!

Okay, I don't want to sound like a tired record, but I think that the best book
on knots for smaller diameter lines, like the stuff we use for kite flying is
"Practical Fishing Knots II", by Mark Sosin and Lefty Kreh. They cover a bunch
of knots useful for fishing. The original edition "Practical Fishing Knots"
had more knots in it, so if you can find one of these, it is useful as well.

The knot that John "The Anchor" Tavo mentions is called the "Bimini Twist".
It is called this because it was first used to make a doubled line for use
as a leader for fishing off of Bimini. It is at least 25 years old, which
in terms of knots, is knew, I guess.

In dacron and nylon, both braided and monofilament, it does retain 100%
strength. It doesn't fair well with Kevlar, but this is probably due to
Kevlar's tendancy to weaken when taking sharp bends. I haven't tried it
with Spectra.

The main problem with the Bimini twist is that it is a pain to tie and is
difficult to tie to an exact length. However, Larry Moeller, a past president
of Kites Over New England made up a train of Rainbow Stunt Kites with train
lines made with Bimini Twists.

There are similar knots which do a good job. I don't believe that these knots
have been tested with Spectra, at least I haven't seen any reports from this.

And as far as you "clearly took care of the Old weak knot theory", you really
haven't done that. Someone pointed out that in the "knot business" a break
within a few inches of the knot is considered to be "at the knot". Further,
I contend that the weak point is not at the overhand, knot, but at the lark's
head where the line is attached.

We are supposed to have a snow storm this weekend, I guess I'll destroy some
spectra while watching TV...
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Re; sleeving spectra-how.

Post by SkywardM » Sat, 17 Dec 1994 06:05:13


writes:

WELL, I'm a nonsleeverbut not for the same reasons. I'm just to lazy but i
have never had a problem. If i do i just get BIGGER LINE!!!

                                                             SEE YA!
                                                           MIKE SIMMONS

 
 
 

Re; sleeving spectra-how.

Post by Brian Johns » Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:08:34

Quote:


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>2. Tie three overhand knots or the bimini wrap.


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Re; sleeving spectra-how.

Post by Steve Irb » Sun, 25 Dec 1994 13:37:52

Quote:

>Be a rebel, fly sleeveless!!!!  John.

I must admit....I tried "going sleeveless" once.

                                ...but I did't launch. :(

Actually, when I bought my first serious stunter, four + years ago,
from Terry Younker at Ocean Kites in Longbeach.  He told me I didn't really
need to sleeve, but if I did, I would be doin' it like the "Pros".


Steve Irby
Renton Wa.