Ooh! Fun toys for the quad flier!

Ooh! Fun toys for the quad flier!

Post by Jeffrey C. Bur » Mon, 17 May 1993 07:54:01


I got to play with two "new" toys today which were both quite fun.  The
first was an ultralight Rev II.  This is a stock sail with 2-wrap
Advantage (as opposed to stock 3-wrap) and no bridle.  The kite takes
almost no wind to fly, and is pretty nifty.

Much more fun than that, though, was the Super UltraLight Rev I, on which
I probably got in close to 3 hours.  This is a 1/2 oz ripstop sail,
2-wrap Advantage (as opposed to 5-wrap in the stock and 3-wrap in the
UltraLight), and an ultralight bridle (300# spectra).  I flew it on 20'
45# spiderline with the standard long-throw handles.  Oh *my*.
This kite floats.  It _leaps_ into the air in a 1mph wind.  360s require
no effort whatsoever.  3-d flying just happens without even thinking.
It's like a dream come true.  I'd guess that a super ultralight Rev I on 20'
lines in a 2 mph wind is comparable in responsiveness to a stock Rev II
on 40' lines in a 10+mph wind.  To be honest, I wouldn't have even guessed
you could succesfully fly a 9' kite on 20' lines, let alone pull off
propeller spins and other such moves, particularly in such light winds.

For the last year and a half, I've been quite bored with the Rev I.  When
I fly it, it's almost exclusively stacked behind a 6'.  After today, I'm
ready to put away the II in favor of the SUL I.  If only I had the
money to actually *buy* a SUL Rev I.  <sigh>

Dave Butler:  yes, I know it's been a while, but I haven't forgotten your
query about the UL Rev I bridle which was giving you problems.  I took
at look at the bridle on the SUL today.  As I remember it, the vertical line
had a very large loop tied at the upper bridle point, and the horizontal line
had a much smaller loop.  Obviously, the large loop was hitched into the
small loop and then left sticking out for the actual line attachment.  As
I remember it, you said that on your bridle, both the vertical and horizontal
lines had large loops and you couldn't figure out which was attached
to which.  If, in fact, your vertical line doesn't have a much larger
loop than the horizontal line, you may have a mis-tied bridle.  If the
loops _are_ obviously different, I'd suggest two possible problems.  The
first is simply a line-length tuning problem, particularly if you
were shifting from a pre-'92 bridle (uneven top and bottom lines).  The
other possibility is that the verticl lines were attached upside down.

Hope that helps.  If you're still having problems, I can try to pass 'em
on to the factory rep whose kites I was flying today...

Jeff
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Ooh! Fun toys for the quad flier!

Post by Kevin Mayeshi » Mon, 17 May 1993 19:49:51


: I got to play with two "new" toys today which were both quite fun.  The
: first was an ultralight Rev II.  This is a stock sail with 2-wrap
: Advantage (as opposed to stock 3-wrap) and no bridle.  The kite takes
: almost no wind to fly, and is pretty nifty.

Is this the model that Revolution is now marketing as their
"3-D" kite?  Sounds like what some people call a "throw Rev".  

: Much more fun than that, though, was the Super UltraLight Rev I, on which
: I probably got in close to 3 hours.  This is a 1/2 oz ripstop sail,
: 2-wrap Advantage (as opposed to 5-wrap in the stock and 3-wrap in the
                                  ^^^^^^
Was this supposed to be 4-wrap?  Didn't think that Revolution
would make a N-wrap (where N is greater than 4) unless you
special order it.  I know that Allan Guillen has a 9-pack of
Revs, the first kite in the train made with 6-wrap rods.  
(And I thought 4-wrap rods were stiff... ;-)  

- Kevin

 
 
 

Ooh! Fun toys for the quad flier!

Post by Jeffrey C. Bur » Mon, 17 May 1993 22:16:52

Quote:

>Is this the model that Revolution is now marketing as their
>"3-D" kite?  Sounds like what some people call a "throw Rev".  

Well, it's comparable.  The Rev 3-D kit apparently has new endcaps which
have a line attachment point molded onto them, and it also has a "handle"
section in the middle of the kite where the screen has been left off so
that one is less likely to punch a hole through the mesh.  I believe it
also comes with very long handles.

The kite I was flying was a stock Rev II sail with stock end caps.  

Quote:
>> I probably got in close to 3 hours.  This is a 1/2 oz ripstop sail,
>> 2-wrap Advantage (as opposed to 5-wrap in the stock and 3-wrap in the

                                 ^^^^^^

Quote:
>Was this supposed to be 4-wrap?

We've had arguments about this before on rec.kites.  According to the
factory rep. the stock Rev I is *5* wrap.

Jeff
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Ooh! Fun toys for the quad flier!

Post by Kevin Mayeshi » Tue, 18 May 1993 14:12:05



Quote:
: writes:

: >Is this the model that Revolution is now marketing as their
: >"3-D" kite?  Sounds like what some people call a "throw Rev".  

Well, I actually got to fly a 3-D Rev today.  Interesting little
kite.  

: Well, it's comparable.  The Rev 3-D kit apparently has new endcaps which
: have a line attachment point molded onto them,

It looked like the standard endcaps with a hole drilled through
the top.  The flying line is then fed through this hole.  

:                                                and it also has a "handle"
: section in the middle of the kite where the screen has been left off so
: that one is less likely to punch a hole through the mesh.  

Thought that this was a pretty good idea.  I always worry about
tearing the screen portion of a Rev when handling it along the
leading edge.  

: I believe it also comes with very long handles.

The handles looked like a modified version the Rev I Ultralight
handles.  Took one apart to see how they attached to the line.  
(Couldn't resist. :-)  Looks like they use endcaps (plugs) on
the handles.  Each plug has a hole in the middle were line is
fed through, thus eliminating the standard attachment rings.  

The 3-D kite felt a little squirrelly to me.  (Winds were in the
6-8 mph range, with gusts of 12-15.)  Stops and reverses did
not feel as solid with the 3-D Rev.  Also, when I pulled this
kite out of the sky, it just seemed to float down instead of
fall.  A sort of strange feeling for me.  

I also took out a throw Rev (slightly modified Rev II, no bridle,
Rev I handles) to compare.  The throw Rev felt a little more
solid (stable?).  Maybe if the wind conditions were different,
I'd like the 3-D kite a little more.  (I haven't flown indoors
yet.  But I would probably like the 3-D kite more if I did. ;-)  

- Kevin