> The political and social aspects of kite-flying *can* be a nightmare.
> Contrary to what it seemingly is or probably *should be,* kiteflying can be
> a very competitive, cut-throat and cruel form of social behavior, and, yes,
> you will see many examples of that if you stick around here in rec.kites.
Oh really? Care to cite particulars? The very nature of newsgroups
allows for debate, but how you personally comprehend it is YOUR
responsibility. I'm going to choose to debate what you've said by saying
that you're allowing personal bitterness to color your public
observations. In the brief time (4 yrs) of subscribing to rec.kites I've
rarely seen combativeness regarding clear cut issues. Those posts making
sweeping generalizations, vague and not so vague innenuendo and issuing
personal insults have met with what could be perceived as a cruel form
of social behavior, but they were reactive. Perhaps in an instigators
mind, such as yourself, some r.k. posts may appear to be cruel, but I
have never seen particularly "very competitive" forms of social behavior
Yes, I have seen some COM postings, but COM stands for commercial, and
yes sometimes COMpetitive but not COMbative except two COMplainers who
were trying to make COMpelling debate on why someone should or not
COMpare their offerings with another COMpetitor.
> I have seen everything from death threats to personal attacks on other family
> members. You *name* it, I've probably seen in here in the past 4 years.
> You haven't seen _anything_, yet, my sheltered buddy. Only the ones with
> the strongest armor __or__ the most passion for kites seem to survive.
Roger, no one has ever instigated more personal attacks than you. You
drove off in a matter of one year some of the most gifted, intelligent
and interesting contributors to this newsgroup. You have caused great
personal anguish to people who continue to make the kiting world a
better place to be regardless of your insults. You've made history in
being the only one on this newsgroup who couldn't stick to the topic of
kites but made it your personal platform on issues that have NOTHING to
do with kiting. You've belittled those who have tried desperately to
keep the passion for kites alive and well.
You've recently been playing nice in the sandbox. I am personally
begging you to not start up your vendetta against kiters and kiting
again. There are lots of great new contributors and readers of r.k. and
I'm thrilled that they are here.
> OTOH, dealing with kites on a *personal* level can be a very rewarding
And kiting as a social activity is equally rewarding, if not so. History
has proven that to be true. A whole lot longer than you've been around.
> Later, I made a bunch of Revolutions... even a few about the size of a 1.5
> _before_ the Rev company made one... my theory is there were so many of us
> making them that the company realized it was a popular size. I also made
> many variations of vented ones... same story... before they were available
Okay...you want to prove it? Then I want to see you go head to head with
a company Rev Builder and see just how fast you can tie an authentic Rev
Bridle. There's a reason those kites fly so good and it's not just
because someone knows how to operate a sewing machine. I would also like
to see you wrap a Rev Rod that comes close to comparing with theirs.
Better people than you have the "advantage" and know they can't do it as
There are those who do it, and those who just talk about it. Put your
money where your mouth is.
Why do you just***me off so much Roger? Oh I know. It's when you
attack kiters and kiting. That's right. I really hate that.