Quad. 25 handles.

Quad. 25 handles.

Post by John M. Grah » Fri, 25 Jun 1993 17:43:55


Hi all,

I just bought a Quadrifoil 25 and flew it all weekend.  I like the
kite, but I do have some gripes about it.  The handles seem incredibly
cheap to me, and not manufactured well.  After the first 5 minutes of
flying, the knot holding the handle line to the handle pulled through.
I found this to be really annoying, and even worse, the next day the
other side gave out.  I retied them both, but I shouldn't have had
that problem in the first place.

Which brings me to my main question:  where can I get a *good* pair
of handles for this kite.  I noticed the handles on the cover of    
American Kite.  Where might these be found?

Thank You,                                  
john

P.S. Anyone have some hints on how to control this thing in backwards
flight? (especially taking off from a nose first landing)?
Any thoughts or helpful techniques would be appreciated. :-)
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Quad. 25 handles.

Post by Jeffrey C. Bur » Sat, 26 Jun 1993 00:24:20


Quote:

>Hi all,

>I just bought a Quadrifoil 25 and flew it all weekend.  I like the
>kite, but I do have some gripes about it.  The handles seem incredibly
>cheap to me, and not manufactured well.  After the first 5 minutes of
>flying, the knot holding the handle line to the handle pulled through.
>I found this to be really annoying, and even worse, the next day the
>other side gave out.  I retied them both, but I shouldn't have had
>that problem in the first place.

I've heard that complaint a couple of times, but it's never happened to
me.  I've flown my Q-25 in high winds (>25) with no problems.

The PVC handles *are* good; Kite Innovations just needs a better, more
reliable method of attaching the harnessing lines.

Quote:
>Which brings me to my main question:  where can I get a *good* pair
>of handles for this kite.  I noticed the handles on the cover of    
>American Kite.  Where might these be found?

Not having taken a close look at that cover, I'll hazard a guess that what
you're seeing are the Q-50 (or maybe 75) handles, which are big hunks of
steel tubing.  They're longer and stronger, but honest, you don't need that
strength with the Q-25.  If you really want the handles though, I imagine
you could call Kite Innovations and order a set.  Fran Gramkowski at High
Fly might be able to help you out too.

Quote:
>P.S. Anyone have some hints on how to control this thing in backwards
>flight? (especially taking off from a nose first landing)?
>Any thoughts or helpful techniques would be appreciated. :-)

The Quadrifoil is a rather difficult kite to fly backward (and, for that
matter, sideways), though it is possible.  A lot depends on your line
tuning; play around with your bottom line lengths.  But don't expect
the Quadrifoil to be able to do the sort of inverted work a Rev is capable
of.  It just ain't possible.

Here's one cool trick I picked up flying with the Bag Boyz:  with the kite
near the top of the window, put both handles in one hand and use the other
hand to yank on the bottom lines.  The kite will ball up and plummet to
the ground.  If you shake the handles a bit, you can usually recover before
it hits the ground.  Otherwise, it's a neat way to land the kite in a hurry.

Jeff

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|SAFH Lite [tm]       |  I am what I am and you are you too./  Do you like  |


 
 
 

Quad. 25 handles.

Post by Dan Rube » Sat, 26 Jun 1993 15:17:43


Quote:

>>Hi all,

>>I just bought a Quadrifoil 25 and flew it all weekend.  I like the
>>kite, but I do have some gripes about it.  The handles seem incredibly
>>cheap to me, and not manufactured well.  After the first 5 minutes of
>>flying, the knot holding the handle line to the handle pulled through.
>>I found this to be really annoying, and even worse, the next day the
>>other side gave out.  I retied them both, but I shouldn't have had
>>that problem in the first place.

>I've heard that complaint a couple of times, but it's never happened to
>me.  I've flown my Q-25 in high winds (>25) with no problems.

It has to do with how the pigtails are attached to the
handles, per my followup below...

Quote:

>The PVC handles *are* good; Kite Innovations just needs a better, more
>reliable method of attaching the harnessing lines.

>>Which brings me to my main question:  where can I get a *good* pair
>>of handles for this kite.  I noticed the handles on the cover of    
>>American Kite.  Where might these be found?

>Not having taken a close look at that cover, I'll hazard a guess that what
>you're seeing are the Q-50 (or maybe 75) handles, which are big hunks of
>steel tubing.  They're longer and stronger, but honest, you don't need that
>strength with the Q-25.  If you really want the handles though, I imagine
>you could call Kite Innovations and order a set.  Fran Gramkowski at High
>Fly might be able to help you out too.

They are Quad-50/75 handles, and are nicely made of -aluminum-
tubing, and are much stouter than you'd really want for a 25,
IMHO..

Quote:
>>P.S. Anyone have some hints on how to control this thing in backwards
>>flight? (especially taking off from a nose first landing)?
>>Any thoughts or helpful techniques would be appreciated. :-)

>The Quadrifoil is a rather difficult kite to fly backward (and, for that
>matter, sideways), though it is possible.  A lot depends on your line
>tuning; play around with your bottom line lengths.  But don't expect
>the Quadrifoil to be able to do the sort of inverted work a Rev is capable
>of.  It just ain't possible.

>Here's one cool trick I picked up flying with the Bag Boyz:  with the kite
>near the top of the window, put both handles in one hand and use the other
>hand to yank on the bottom lines.  The kite will ball up and plummet to
>the ground.  If you shake the handles a bit, you can usually recover before
>it hits the ground.  Otherwise, it's a neat way to land the kite in a hurry.

>Jeff

>--
>|Jeffrey C. Burka     | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ |
>|SAFH Lite [tm]       |  I am what I am and you are you too./  Do you like  |


Quadrifoil Handle Alert!!

If you fly your Quadrifoil in high winds, this may apply..

Any of you that have Quadrifoils that use the PVC handles (10
sq. ft. thru 25 sq. ft., I think.. I'm not sure what the 30 and
40 foot versions use for handles), might do well to take a
look at how your attachment lines are anchored in the handles.
If there's an overhand knot in the doubled line with the line
ends _exposed_ where you attach the flylines, you're probably
OK.. If the overhand knot has a loop just beyond it, you might
want to (1) remove the vinyl endcap from the handle, (2) untie
the knot at the loop, (3) pull the line through the hole from
the inside of the handle, (4) put the looped end through the
hole from the outside of the tubing, (5) re-tie the overhand
knot in the looped end so it stops the line from pulling
through the handle and (6) replace the vinyl endcap. The
reason that I make this suggestion is that when flying a Quad
15 in 16-18 winds with gusts to 22 this afternoon, I slipped
the knot (with ends inside the tube) off of the line ends,
first one side, then after repairs the other.. My Quad 25 has
the handle lines attached as the fix would suggest, and I've
never had any problems with it despite being flown in winds to
20+. Actually, what I did to fix the Quad 15 handles after
returning home was to remove the vinyls and lines, replace the
vinyl caps and drill the small hole (~ 1/8") through the
opposite wall of the tube and endcap and pull the looped
end thru both holes, then slip it over the handle below where
the line protrudes. On retrospect, that fix may be overkill..
The quad 15 in high winds is a blast!! I was just a shade
short of getting traction with it, and I'm about 230#..  

Ob. Disclaimer:

I am a stunt kite dealer and carry some of the above mentioned
product(s). As such, my opinions may tend to be somewhat subjective.

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