World Cup qualification process (was Re: World Cup)

World Cup qualification process (was Re: World Cup)

Post by Darrin Skinn » Fri, 06 Aug 1993 04:25:41



-] Subject: Re: World Cup
-]

-]
-] >>The World Cup Kite Competition will be held the first
-] >>weekend in September, 1993 at the Berkeley Marina,
-] >>Berkeley, California, USA.  This competition brings
-] >>the best teams from 12 countries together for a 2-day
-] >>shoot-out.  The invited teams are (in alpha order):
-]
-]
-] >WARNING: NOVICE QUESTION AHEAD! <G>
-]
-] >Out of curiosity, how do we determine who the 12 best teams are? I mean,
-] >is it an arbitrary thing, or is there a point system that is used
-] >worldwide?
-]
-] The preselection is made on national basis, different methods
-] in different countries. The final _invitation_ is made by a
-] committee staffed by AKA, STACK, American Kite Magazine...
-] (something missing?)
-]
-] World Cup is not intended to collect world's 12 best teams,
-] but "best" teams from different countries. (This time there
-] seems to be 18 teams, from 12 countries).
-]

Actually AKA and STACK are not 'officially' involved with World Cup.
It is true that many of the people involved with World Cup are also
heavily involved with AKA, STACK, AJSKA/JKA, etc.  So some of the
interests of these organizations do filter into World Cup, but the
assocation is (very) indirect.

Each country is allowed to use it's own system for determining
inviations.  In the U.S. the invitations to World Cup are
determined as follows:
        1) Using competitions from Jan 1st thru July 25th...
        2) Add up the best three precision scores.
        3) Add up the best three ballet scores.
        4) Add the precision and ballet scores weighting precision 30%
           and ballet 70%.  
The top 2 teams (using this formula) get to compete.  The defending champs
get an automatic invitation and don't count toward that countries 2 invitations.
This is why the U.S. has 3 teams this year.

The scores mentioned above are assigned like this:
PLACE   REGIONAL        NATIONAL        ALL AMERICAN
-----   --------        --------        ------------
1ST     10              20              30
2ND     8               17              26
3RD     6               14              22
4TH     4               11              18
5TH     2               8               14
6TH     -               5               10
7TH     -               2               6
8TH     -               -               2

For example, Air Art's best 3 precision scores were from 1st places at
Hawaii, Michigan, and Berkeley.  All of these were national level events
so we got 20 points for each event for a total of 60 precision points.
In ballet: 1st at Hawaii (20pts), 1st at Berkeley (20pts), 2nd at
UP Sports (17pts) for a total of 57 ballet points.  So our grand total is
(60 * 0.3) + (57 * 0.7) = 57.9 points.

Now that you know... you know.

Darrin

 
 
 

World Cup qualification process (was Re: World Cup)

Post by Simo Salan » Fri, 06 Aug 1993 17:21:23


Quote:
>Actually AKA and STACK are not 'officially' involved with World Cup.
>It is true that many of the people involved with World Cup are also
>heavily involved with AKA, STACK, AJSKA/JKA, etc.  So some of the
>interests of these organizations do filter into World Cup, but the
>assocation is (very) indirect.
>Each country is allowed to use it's own system for determining
>inviations.  In the U.S. the invitations to World Cup are
>determined as follows:

(text deleted)

What you mean by "country", (prime minister:-)?

In practice - in Europe - it's national STACK
organisations, which _suggest_ their team(s)
to World Cup organisation. But these national organisations
("country") does not have the authority to _invite_ the team(s)
to World Cup. In theory the World Cup organisation could
make the invitations totally independent of the national
suggestions. (I don't want to speculate if this ever happened.)

I agree that persons in World Cup committe (or what ever it's
called) represent themselves, not _offficially_ any kiting organisation
they possibly are involved, with.

I am not trying to say that World Cup "system" would be
unfair. But it's inherently Top-Down. E.g. in Olympic
games the _decision_ of the participants is made on national
level. In World Cup the decision is made above the national
level. This year it was "not allowed" to publish the names of the
European teams before World Cup organisation sent the invitations.
This reflects the possibility that World Cup invitations does
not follow national will.  In U.S. the rankings are published
regularly in American Kite.

In U.S. the qualification procedure is well defined, systematic,
public and run by the American Kite Magazine itself.
So you can expect World Cup invitations to follow the results.
Outside of U.S. American Kite rankings does not apply.
(e.g. - if I can recall - Slipstream was in _Experienced_
class in American Kite rankings. Or, is there another
Slipstream than the UK/Bristol based, which was invited
to World Cup? - _I_ don't say Slipstream would not be a
master class team, but _American Kite rankings_.)

I have not attended any World Cup, just observed the threads
in the background. It would very interesting to get Ron's comments
on the World Cup qualification system?

I am sure in Berkley will be a tough competition and hope
we'll get good reports to rec.kites.

Smooth Winds