"you can't wrap this" (or) "a Paradox review"

"you can't wrap this" (or) "a Paradox review"

Post by jame » Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:00:00


I got my SOA (Spirit of Air) Paradox today from Joe and here's a little
something of what i thought of it...
(wind conditions were 7-11)

construction

I assembled the kite at work, because jeesh, it's a kite! and it's new! how
could i not, right? My first thought was... (and i was prepared for this, i
knew!!) "jeesh, look at all that Mylar!" Ok, so I've up till this point been
against the use of Mylar in the main sail of a kite... I also noticed the
lack of wrapped graphite, something that set me back a step. If i had paid
$239 for the kite i might have been really upset, but i didn't, i paid $135,
(second hand) . I was astounded at the condition of the kite, mint shape
(I've never bought a used kite, i was expecting the worst). In the back of
my mind i noted the curve to the leading edge, thinking to myself, maybe
I'll get a chance to try this dead launch everyone's always going on
about...  All around, it is a visually appealing kite, but then you don't
need me to tell you that, pictures are on the web. Sewing, well, I'm sure
it's great, i wouldn't know bad sewing if i saw it, so on with the meat of
the review!

Flight

Odd... no doubt about it it's a different feel than what I'm used to. It's
slow... for a mid-aspect kite, i wasn't expecting slow. Nor was i expecting
the pull i received. for a 7' kite it pulls considerably more than the
badboy, an 8' lower aspect kite. The Paradox is slow going into a turn, if
you hold it in a spin it steadily reduces radius and will do a tight spin,
but for a quick turn it does a very graceful arc. Very controlled, very
constant. with a fast combo turn it made nice cracking sounds in the sky as
the Mylar was whipped onto the new course. Snapstalls were similar to that
of the illusion, not as crisp or quick, more of a turn stall than a snap,
but it could be done easily within it's own space, not coming up to the left
or right. (i prefer pull snapstalls to push snapstalls, it might perform
differently under a different style.) I read a lot about this kite doing
easy double and some say triple axels with a single pull, i didn't see it
happen, and i tried the gambit of pulls. Same with 540's. Axels took a bit
of getting used to. to get them real flat and floaty, I had to pop it with
the pull side just a bit lower, not quite level, but once i figured this
out, it was a very pretty axeling kite. It faded well, as you'd expect any
quality kite to do, 540's were nice, holding ground, not sliding around
unless you wanted them to.  slot machines, flick flacks and all the rest
(didn't get a backspin in) were fine and normal, again, as you'd expect from
any quality kite. Turtles were easy to get out of, and very steerable.

Where did it really excel?

This frickin thing is infallible... idiot proof, to even the most
accomplished idiot! When i fly a new kite, i always spend about 10 minutes
trying 50 different types of pulls doing axels. It's how i get a feel for
what the kite needs for input to do what i want it to do. Everything from
light pops to good snaps to progressive pulls to all out jerks on the line.
Now anyone who has ever failed an axel (everyone) knows that failing an axel
leads to tip wraps. Not on the paradox. This thing is unwrapable,
completely. After a while, i was actually trying, jerking it all over,
people must have thought i was insane... it always came up clean. I haven't
ever tried a dead launch, and i was thinking it might do it, so when i
finally did get it in that position, i tried one, for the first time ever.
After considering what SHOULD happen, and referencing the memory banks from
all the r.k talk about it, i tried, 1st try, nope, 2nd try,it just flew up
off the ground, beautiful. so i nosed it again, and this time, first try,
gorgeous. In the 50 minutes i flew it, i never once walked to it, and
atleast 10 minutes of that time was spent trying to foul it.

Conclusion

A great kite to work on your tricks with. if you are a new competitor, and
are having some trouble getting really pretty steady turns, this is without
a doubt one good kite for you. I could see it doing very well in
intermediate competition. (though i don't think there's a vented or UL
version) It's a graceful kite without too much oversteer or speed variation,
but still very trickable. A nice crossbreed freestyle kite.

I have more thoughts and comparisons, but anything more would turn into
ranting and rambling, so I'm going to leave it here, and leave the rest for
outside conversations.

Jamey

 
 
 

"you can't wrap this" (or) "a Paradox review"

Post by joe » Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:00:00

told ya!  try kill stalls, they work better on that kite.
 joe

Quote:
> I got my SOA (Spirit of Air) Paradox today from Joe and here's a little
> something of what i thought of it...
> (wind conditions were 7-11)

> construction

> I assembled the kite at work, because jeesh, it's a kite! and it's new!
how
> could i not, right? My first thought was... (and i was prepared for this,
i
> knew!!) "jeesh, look at all that Mylar!" Ok, so I've up till this point
been
> against the use of Mylar in the main sail of a kite... I also noticed the
> lack of wrapped graphite, something that set me back a step. If i had paid
> $239 for the kite i might have been really upset, but i didn't, i paid
$135,
> (second hand) . I was astounded at the condition of the kite, mint shape
> (I've never bought a used kite, i was expecting the worst). In the back of
> my mind i noted the curve to the leading edge, thinking to myself, maybe
> I'll get a chance to try this dead launch everyone's always going on
> about...  All around, it is a visually appealing kite, but then you don't
> need me to tell you that, pictures are on the web. Sewing, well, I'm sure
> it's great, i wouldn't know bad sewing if i saw it, so on with the meat of
> the review!

> Flight

> Odd... no doubt about it it's a different feel than what I'm used to. It's
> slow... for a mid-aspect kite, i wasn't expecting slow. Nor was i
expecting
> the pull i received. for a 7' kite it pulls considerably more than the
> badboy, an 8' lower aspect kite. The Paradox is slow going into a turn, if
> you hold it in a spin it steadily reduces radius and will do a tight spin,
> but for a quick turn it does a very graceful arc. Very controlled, very
> constant. with a fast combo turn it made nice cracking sounds in the sky
as
> the Mylar was whipped onto the new course. Snapstalls were similar to that
> of the illusion, not as crisp or quick, more of a turn stall than a snap,
> but it could be done easily within it's own space, not coming up to the
left
> or right. (i prefer pull snapstalls to push snapstalls, it might perform
> differently under a different style.) I read a lot about this kite doing
> easy double and some say triple axels with a single pull, i didn't see it
> happen, and i tried the gambit of pulls. Same with 540's. Axels took a bit
> of getting used to. to get them real flat and floaty, I had to pop it with
> the pull side just a bit lower, not quite level, but once i figured this
> out, it was a very pretty axeling kite. It faded well, as you'd expect any
> quality kite to do, 540's were nice, holding ground, not sliding around
> unless you wanted them to.  slot machines, flick flacks and all the rest
> (didn't get a backspin in) were fine and normal, again, as you'd expect
from
> any quality kite. Turtles were easy to get out of, and very steerable.

> Where did it really excel?

> This frickin thing is infallible... idiot proof, to even the most
> accomplished idiot! When i fly a new kite, i always spend about 10 minutes
> trying 50 different types of pulls doing axels. It's how i get a feel for
> what the kite needs for input to do what i want it to do. Everything from
> light pops to good snaps to progressive pulls to all out jerks on the
line.
> Now anyone who has ever failed an axel (everyone) knows that failing an
axel
> leads to tip wraps. Not on the paradox. This thing is unwrapable,
> completely. After a while, i was actually trying, jerking it all over,
> people must have thought i was insane... it always came up clean. I
haven't
> ever tried a dead launch, and i was thinking it might do it, so when i
> finally did get it in that position, i tried one, for the first time ever.
> After considering what SHOULD happen, and referencing the memory banks
from
> all the r.k talk about it, i tried, 1st try, nope, 2nd try,it just flew up
> off the ground, beautiful. so i nosed it again, and this time, first try,
> gorgeous. In the 50 minutes i flew it, i never once walked to it, and
> atleast 10 minutes of that time was spent trying to foul it.

> Conclusion

> A great kite to work on your tricks with. if you are a new competitor, and
> are having some trouble getting really pretty steady turns, this is
without
> a doubt one good kite for you. I could see it doing very well in
> intermediate competition. (though i don't think there's a vented or UL
> version) It's a graceful kite without too much oversteer or speed
variation,
> but still very trickable. A nice crossbreed freestyle kite.

> I have more thoughts and comparisons, but anything more would turn into
> ranting and rambling, so I'm going to leave it here, and leave the rest
for
> outside conversations.

> Jamey


 
 
 

"you can't wrap this" (or) "a Paradox review"

Post by Edward Gree » Fri, 29 Sep 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
> I got my SOA (Spirit of Air) Paradox today from Joe and here's a little
> something of what i thought of it...
> (wind conditions were 7-11)

> Flight

> Where did it really excel?

> This frickin thing is infallible... idiot proof, to even the most
> accomplished idiot!

Hmmm.. maybe we own different kites Jamey .. my review says

"the kite is certainly easy to flip on it's back, and dead launchs with
ease. >>>>the kite's weekness seems to be in recovery <<<<"

everytime i fly the paradox i find it ends up in a tangled unrecoverable
mess. Even with 90ft lines there doesn't seem to be enough time for it to
recover. As for tricks, wel axles nice and flat, cascades okay, doesn't
backspin (although i have a new bridle for it), fades ok, but i never
managed to get it to flik flak or 540 well.

glad you liked it tho .. just seems so different to my memory of the Paradox
sitting in my bag.

Ed/

 
 
 

"you can't wrap this" (or) "a Paradox review"

Post by RG » Fri, 29 Sep 2000 04:00:00

Ditto to your findings, Ed.  I test flew one of Dodd's at Newport a
year and a half ago, and had the same experience.  I was drawn in by
the kite's sheer beauty, and it _looked_ like a trick machine, but I
found it lacking in many respects, notably anything that had to do with
fade or flare, like flic-flacs, 540's, etc.

Also was a b*tch when it came to tip wraps.

Just my .02

-Ron G.



Quote:



> > I got my SOA (Spirit of Air) Paradox today from Joe and here's a
little
> > something of what i thought of it...
> > (wind conditions were 7-11)

> > Flight

> > Where did it really excel?

> > This frickin thing is infallible... idiot proof, to even the most
> > accomplished idiot!

> Hmmm.. maybe we own different kites Jamey .. my review says

> "the kite is certainly easy to flip on it's back, and dead launchs
with
> ease. >>>>the kite's weekness seems to be in recovery <<<<"

> everytime i fly the paradox i find it ends up in a tangled
unrecoverable
> mess. Even with 90ft lines there doesn't seem to be enough time for
it to
> recover. As for tricks, wel axles nice and flat, cascades okay,
doesn't
> backspin (although i have a new bridle for it), fades ok, but i never
> managed to get it to flik flak or 540 well.

> glad you liked it tho .. just seems so different to my memory of the
Paradox
> sitting in my bag.

> Ed/

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"you can't wrap this" (or) "a Paradox review"

Post by Jamey Fountai » Fri, 29 Sep 2000 04:00:00

that's so weird, because I couldn't get it to wrap anything that I couldn't
get out without walking to the kite once,  and I thought it did nice easy
540's, flicks (I didn't do a lot of them) and fades. The one I'm on has the
trick line, did yours? The one thing I didn't care for was the Prism
quotient... the feel the Mylar gave it, like flying through water. The
BadBoy, a lower aspect bigger kite felt nimble and quick comparatively, with
considerably less pull and much more responsive fast turns. I guess it just
handles differently than I prefer a kite to handle, but I did have a good
time with it, and again, I couldn't foul it if I tried. and I did.

I was on 75ft 150# lines btw
--
signature file of Jamey, because Jamey is my name, and my name is none other
than Jamey, it is who I am and thus the signature file that I, Jamey shall
use.

 
 
 

"you can't wrap this" (or) "a Paradox review"

Post by joe » Fri, 29 Sep 2000 04:00:00

Ed,
        I read your reviews prior to my acquiring the Paradox and I was a
bit hesitant to purchase but never one to turn down a great deal I decided
to try it.   I thought it was a nice kite.  I had no real problems with its
performance, I didn't think it was better than an Elixir but still a very
nice kite.  At $239 too pricey though.    It is a pretty kite.   It must be
technique in tricking it, don't take this wrong because I am sure you are a
better flier than me but you may need to be a little rougher/coarser with it
to get the performance out of it (and my standards of preformance are
probably not as high as yours).   We even passed it around the field and
everyone there got a turn (even newbies who I thought were going to buy it).
Its not a precision kite or a trick monster but something in the middle
(IMO) "crosstrainer".   It will fade quite easily and flic flac (I practiced
it a lot with it). I could bang out 540's and an occasional 720 if Iwas
lucky.    I agree that it needs a better bridle  (its jamey's now let him
figure that out).   You need at least 6mph to fly it, it likes more.  Less
and when you put it on its back any tug will cause it to move toward you
(not rotate) and down she will come fast.  I also never flew it on longer
than 65' lines most of the time 40'.    My favorite part about it was the no
tip wrap feature (unlike my Fanatic) it just didn't happen.    It was
different than what I had so I tried it (flavor of the month), didn't loose
$ on it so I'm still a happy camper.   Using the $ to buy a true precision
kite!   Keep reviewing kites I appreciate your oppinions, it makes me and
others want to try new toys.
Joe

Quote:



> > I got my SOA (Spirit of Air) Paradox today from Joe and here's a little
> > something of what i thought of it...
> > (wind conditions were 7-11)

> > Flight

> > Where did it really excel?

> > This frickin thing is infallible... idiot proof, to even the most
> > accomplished idiot!

> Hmmm.. maybe we own different kites Jamey .. my review says

> "the kite is certainly easy to flip on it's back, and dead launchs with
> ease. >>>>the kite's weekness seems to be in recovery <<<<"

> everytime i fly the paradox i find it ends up in a tangled unrecoverable
> mess. Even with 90ft lines there doesn't seem to be enough time for it to
> recover. As for tricks, wel axles nice and flat, cascades okay, doesn't
> backspin (although i have a new bridle for it), fades ok, but i never
> managed to get it to flik flak or 540 well.

> glad you liked it tho .. just seems so different to my memory of the
Paradox
> sitting in my bag.

> Ed/

 
 
 

"you can't wrap this" (or) "a Paradox review"

Post by Jamey Fountai » Fri, 29 Sep 2000 04:00:00

Thanks Joe, I'll be fidgeting with it over the weekend some more, I'll try
being a bit more aggressive with it... I'm used to the light input the
BadBoy requires, I noticed last night after flying the Paradox for 50
minutes that I was way overcontrolling the BadBoy for the first 10 minutes I
spent with it. It seemed so fast and over-controllable that it was almost
hard to fly till I got back into the rhythm. but once I did I was back in
the heaven that only that kite can put me in...  I love reviewing kites, so
yah, anything I get my hands on will wind up in review form here. I try to
be honest and fair with every kite I review, not comparing them to the
BadBoy or bashing anyplace they don't quite match up. I understand the need
for every kite made, and I don't think any kite is BAD, (maybe over hyped,
maybe over priced... but not bad) they are all just different. A kite is a
wonderful thing, and if you remember that, how can you not have fun with
one?

--
This is the signature file of Jamey, because Jamey is my name, and my name
is none other than Jamey, it is who I am and thus the signature file that I,
Jamey, shall use.


Quote:
> Ed,
>         I read your reviews prior to my acquiring the Paradox and I was a
> bit hesitant to purchase but never one to turn down a great deal I decided
> to try it.   I thought it was a nice kite.  I had no real problems with
its
> performance, I didn't think it was better than an Elixir but still a very
> nice kite.  At $239 too pricey though.    It is a pretty kite.   It must
be
> technique in tricking it, don't take this wrong because I am sure you are
a
> better flier than me but you may need to be a little rougher/coarser with
it
> to get the performance out of it (and my standards of preformance are
> probably not as high as yours).   We even passed it around the field and
> everyone there got a turn (even newbies who I thought were going to buy
it).
> Its not a precision kite or a trick monster but something in the middle
> (IMO) "crosstrainer".   It will fade quite easily and flic flac (I
practiced
> it a lot with it). I could bang out 540's and an occasional 720 if Iwas
> lucky.    I agree that it needs a better bridle  (its jamey's now let him
> figure that out).   You need at least 6mph to fly it, it likes more.  Less
> and when you put it on its back any tug will cause it to move toward you
> (not rotate) and down she will come fast.  I also never flew it on longer
> than 65' lines most of the time 40'.    My favorite part about it was the
no
> tip wrap feature (unlike my Fanatic) it just didn't happen.    It was
> different than what I had so I tried it (flavor of the month), didn't
loose
> $ on it so I'm still a happy camper.   Using the $ to buy a true precision
> kite!   Keep reviewing kites I appreciate your oppinions, it makes me and
> others want to try new toys.
> Joe




> > > I got my SOA (Spirit of Air) Paradox today from Joe and here's a
little
> > > something of what i thought of it...
> > > (wind conditions were 7-11)

> > > Flight

> > > Where did it really excel?

> > > This frickin thing is infallible... idiot proof, to even the most
> > > accomplished idiot!

> > Hmmm.. maybe we own different kites Jamey .. my review says

> > "the kite is certainly easy to flip on it's back, and dead launchs with
> > ease. >>>>the kite's weekness seems to be in recovery <<<<"

> > everytime i fly the paradox i find it ends up in a tangled unrecoverable
> > mess. Even with 90ft lines there doesn't seem to be enough time for it
to
> > recover. As for tricks, wel axles nice and flat, cascades okay, doesn't
> > backspin (although i have a new bridle for it), fades ok, but i never
> > managed to get it to flik flak or 540 well.

> > glad you liked it tho .. just seems so different to my memory of the
> Paradox
> > sitting in my bag.

> > Ed/

 
 
 

"you can't wrap this" (or) "a Paradox review"

Post by Sven Arnese » Sat, 30 Sep 2000 04:00:00


[snip]

Quote:
> I love reviewing kites, so
> yah, anything I get my hands on will wind up in review form here. I try to
> be honest and fair with every kite I review, not comparing them to the
> BadBoy or bashing anyplace they don't quite match up.

[snip]

and BTW, you can read Jamey's review here:
http://www.aerialis.com/revs/soa_paradox.shtml

Thanks Jamey!

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Sven A.
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