Art Kite or Art thou not?

Art Kite or Art thou not?

Post by Zoyd Vo » Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:00:00


I've been flying flexis a long time, and, at 6'4" and 270#, I have no problem
controlling the ten-footers.  However, I do find that I'm at "full draw" quite
a bit when I fly.  Now I've caused a relative to get the kite bug -- he flies a
Windance 3 with no problem, and wants to go to a Flexi.  At 5' 6" or 7" and
150#, is a ten-footer possible, or should he stick to an 8', or even a stack of
6's?  I'd like to hear from anyone this size who has flown the larger kites.

Brock Vond

 
 
 

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Post by Jean Lemir » Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Hi Brock, hi folks.

Size and weigth are not the only variables.  Experience is also usefull.

I have seen a young guy of about 7 years old in Verdun and he was flying an
eigth feet dual line delta with ease.  Of course the low wind helped.

I have also seen small ladies of about 5' - 2" and 110 pounds manage a train
of three six foot dual line deltas while beeing dragged along a field but
still in control.  Knowing how to adjust bridles help in some case :-)

I would say that if arms length is too short, the flyer of a ten feet Flexi
will have to content with larger turn and plan accordingly.  Or the other
alternative is to use a very long control bar to increase leverage.

Maybe such a bar (or a shorter version) or a pulley system, hooked to a
harness maybe, can be of some help to relieve the arms from too much strain.

Also, I would suggest to the person trying such a big kite to make its first
flights in low to moderate winds to get the hang of it. This in order to
avoid bad surprises in high winds.

Since the last few weeks I have seen many peoples fly a stack of five eigth
feet Flexis on 450 pounds lines.  To my knowledge none of these person is
over 200 pounds and one guy measure maybe 6' - 2".  But one thing these
flyers have in common is experience with stunt kites.

Wind or no wind, fly for fun.

Jean (Johnny) Lemire of team S.T.A.F.F. from Montreal, Canada.

 
 
 

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Post by Ozone j » Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>I've been flying flexis a long time, and, at 6'4" and 270#, I have no problem
>controlling the ten-footers.  However, I do find that I'm at "full draw"
>quite
>a bit when I fly

 Brock

 
 
 

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Post by Robert Horto » Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:00:00

I agree that a sharp turn in the power part of the window with a Super10 can
be a stretch,  but I'm 5'10" and I fly a hyper12 with no prob.  However I do use my
feet, or a ground hook for some maneuvers.  As far as climbing the learning curve,
stick a 6' in front of that 10 to help steer it around. Also moving (yourself)
latterly in the flying space will help you,  as well as forward and back to control
your kite.  Some people say you should step from a 8 to a 10
but my opinion is if a Super is what you want to fly go for it.  I do recommend
using a sacrificial link at one tie point on the kite though,  no sense inviting
disaster for a new flyer with a big kite.
rjh.

p.'s.  Just say no to plywood!!

--
_________________________________________________
Seven raffish engines  pulling in a train-
sinewed arms and shoulders  muddled little brain.
_________________________________________________
Robert J. Horton    Sr. Equipment Designer, CAD - retired.

 
 
 

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Post by Ozone j » Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>>I've been flying flexis a long time, and, at 6'4" and 270#, I have no
>problem
>>controlling the ten-footers.  However, I do find that I'm at "full draw"
>>quite
>>a bit when I fly

           Brock                                                              
          You should see "SUPER DAVE" Lavitodd fly 5-10ft Flexi's with a 200ft
tail on 500Ft+ of 500lb,at 5'8"or9" 150lb, he has no problem. If you ever get
to Florida you can see him  fly  in Miami at Hallover park & South Beach .    
     Jim Strealy                                                              
Keep It Up                                              
 
 
 

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Post by Hayden10 » Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
(Zoyd Vond) writes:
>  At 5' 6" or 7" and 150#, is a ten-footer possible, or should he stick to an
8',
> or even a stack of 6's?

It's not how tall the flier is, but how long their arms. With 26" arms (from
arm pit to finger tip) that's about 4.5' by which I can offset the leading edge
of the kite.  So the turning radius I can effect is smaller than some of the
guys with long arms.  Dave Baresi made some flexi sticks for handles which
would increase your stretch by abou a foot or so.  It is all math...figure it
out.
Alice Hayden   8^)
 
 
 

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Post by Info-Tech Service » Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:00:00

I have young friends of my kids who fly my 10' and 8' Flexis stacked when
the wind is up.  One in particular who lies on his back and lets them pull
him up.  He is 5'7" and about 145.  I think you need to start him in
low/moderate wind and learn control and then let it rip.



Quote:

> I've been flying flexis a long time, and, at 6'4" and 270#, I have no
problem
> controlling the ten-footers.  However, I do find that I'm at "full draw"
quite
> a bit when I fly.  Now I've caused a relative to get the kite bug -- he
flies a
> Windance 3 with no problem, and wants to go to a Flexi.  At 5' 6" or 7"
and
> 150#, is a ten-footer possible, or should he stick to an 8', or even a
stack of
> 6's?  I'd like to hear from anyone this size who has flown the larger
kites.

> Brock Vond

 
 
 

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Post by Tom Arbst » Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Hi Brock,

why not just let him try your  flexi :-) it will probably put a grin
on his face, and then he will get one and you two can fly team
together.

he may be smaller, physically,  but he may make up the difference in
skill :-)

you don't have to fly in the power zone 100% of the time.  and as a
matter of a fact you are only in it a short  period of time b4 you are
out of it.


Quote:

>I've been flying flexis a long time, and, at 6'4" and 270#, I have no problem
>controlling the ten-footers.  However, I do find that I'm at "full draw" quite
>a bit when I fly.  Now I've caused a relative to get the kite bug -- he flies a
>Windance 3 with no problem, and wants to go to a Flexi.  At 5' 6" or 7" and
>150#, is a ten-footer possible, or should he stick to an 8', or even a stack of
>6's?  I'd like to hear from anyone this size who has flown the larger kites.

>Brock Vond

If anybody tells you to "Go Fly a Kite", check out my site at
http://www.telepath.com/kiteman
:-)
 
 
 

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Post by Andrew Beatti » Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>           You should see "SUPER DAVE" Lavitodd fly 5-10ft Flexi's with a 200ft
> tail on 500Ft+ of 500lb,at 5'8"or9" 150lb, he has no problem.

*grin*

That's because flying flexies with extra-fat line and tails destroys the
pull...

Andrew (who used to own 6 10's and has flown a dozen and more, but weighs more
than 150lb...)

 
 
 

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Post by Zoyd Vo » Fri, 20 Nov 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
(Hayden1009) writes:
>>It's not how tall the flier is, but how long their arms.<<
> It is all math...figure it out.<<

Alice --

Really?  It's all math?  

I didn't ask if someone much smaller (and, I rashly judged -- knowing the
person involved -- with correspondingly shorter arms) could duplicate my modest
feats with a 10' Flexi.  I asked if they might have FUN flying one.  It's
really a question of whether the necessarily larger figures are still a kick to
do.

Still, you've been a help, Alice, because, in writing this reply, it's crossed
my mind that I could simply tie my control handles together with a line as long
as my relative's reach, and try it out.   Hang the math.

As to the control bar, I hate to see people use them on medium-big kites.  My
first Flexies came with control bars supplied by Flexifoil (you wound the line
around the ends of the bar, remember?), and I still use them to teach people to
fly a six-footer, when no one is downwind.  I imagine Flexifoil stopped
supplying them because people got hurt.  Certainly a long control bar with a
10' Flexi attached to it could do some serious damage downwind if it got away
from the flier, and you wouldn't want to tether yourself to it, either.  

Anyway, thanks for the suggestions, everybody.  I've settled on the 8' for now.
  If he wants more control, he can always put a 6' in front, & if he wants more
power, he can always put more 8's or a 10' in back.

Brock Vond