quad line twist

quad line twist

Post by Joe War » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 22:44:49


Hi there, having just completed a 3m Eliminator I am in the process of
learning how to fly it. So far flying time has been limited by the
requirement to untanlge my lines everytime I get them out of the bag. Can
anyone offer any advie on how to reduce the tangled mess. I currently wrap
all four lines around the handles.

any advice gratfully received
Joe

 
 
 

quad line twist

Post by Rokkak » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:57:50

Quote:
> So far flying time has been limited by the
>requirement to untanlge my lines everytime I get them out of the bag. Can
>anyone offer any advie on how to reduce the tangled mess. I currently wrap
>all four lines around the handles

Joe,

  Be sure to unwrap the lines holding the handles in the same hand that you
held them in when you wrapped them. Then unwrap using the opposite motion used
when wrapping. This should untwist all the twists you put in when wrapping.

Todd

 
 
 

quad line twist

Post by Buzzard6 » Sat, 05 Jan 2002 01:45:01

I think everyone goes through that when they first start with quads.  Life is
way too short to mess around untangling string.  The answer for me was to put
the rig on two figure 8 winders, left on one, right on the other, just like you
would two duals.

Something to look forward to:  Flying pairs or team with quads adds a new
dimension to the word tangle!  Just when you thought you had it figured out!

Russ

 
 
 

quad line twist

Post by BILL » Sat, 05 Jan 2002 01:50:12

Had the same problems when I first started flying 4 LINES.  
TERRIBLEY!!
  You will find that most folks use handles (many styles
are commercially available) that allow the use a figure "8"
when winding them.  My winders all have a pair of deep
notches to hold the 2 pairs of loops apart and to start the
winding.  Wind all 4 lines at up at once and together. Then
secure both the handles and winder together with a few wide
*** bands after you're done to hold things in place for
storage or transportation.
  It doesn't stop ALL the tangles, but reduces them to a
bare minimum.  A couple of ground "golf-ball" stakes helps
to both wind and unwind if you don't have help.
  May the wind always BE at your back....

Bill in Phx Az

Posted from the Rec.Kites Archive at http://SportToday.org/ - I Kite, Therefore I Am

 
 
 

quad line twist

Post by Jord » Sat, 05 Jan 2002 02:35:50

Quote:
> I think everyone goes through that when they first start with quads.  Life
is
> way too short to mess around untangling string.  The answer for me was to
put
> the rig on two figure 8 winders, left on one, right on the other, just
like you
> would two duals.

that's my solution too, and you can even leave your lines tied at one end to
your kite or handles...
 
 
 

quad line twist

Post by Eric » Sat, 05 Jan 2002 03:23:24

It's a very common problem with quad lines.
Here's what I do:
Winding:
    Unhook lines from handles.
    Larkshead bottoms to tops.
    Put back on the stake.
    Do the same thing at the kite.
    Loop top lines to winder (or handles)
    Separate left & right sets, one between 1st & 2nd finger, one between
3rd & 4th finger.
    Wind in a figure 8.
    At the end, put the loops through notches.
Unwinding:
    Put the top loops on the stake (you can hook them to the handles, but
unwinding is more difficult)
    Unwind.
    At the end, take one side in each hand and tug and shake to get the two
sets clear of each other. If you hooked them to the handles, pull the
bottoms until all lines are tight.
    Hook to the kite.
    As you walk back to the handles, keep all 4 lines separate.
    Resolve any tangles when you get to the handles.

After 5 years, I'm finding that the only bad tangles I get are:
    When I'm making new lines
    When I'm in a hurry
    If I drag the lines along the ground after failing to relaunch because
of bad wing wraps

The best way to resolve bad tangles is to put all 4 lines on a stake on both
sides, and resolve one line at a time. That way the first line is really
tough, the next is a pain, and the last two are trivial.

 
 
 

quad line twist

Post by Troy Gu » Sat, 05 Jan 2002 03:33:25

I buggy almost everyday and never have problems with twist in my lines
after unwinding the lines and getting ready to buggy. Here is the
correct way to wind and unwind your flying lines:

--Unwinding your lines:

1. Carry kite bag straight down wind from your buggy/board/etc...

2. Carefully pull handles out of bag, so that you don't accidentally
pull the handles through any part of the kite's bridle. Close bag and
lay the bag on the ground, with kite still in bag.

3. With the top of the handles pointing toward the kite/bag, start
walking upwind, while allowing the lines to unwind off of the handles,
until you've unwound the lines completely.

4. At this point, your lines will look like they're twisted a hundred
times, but don't panic, because they're not!

5. Stake handles down so that the top of the handles are pointed toward
the kite/bag. Wrap the bottom lines around the stake 1-3 times to keep
the kite from accidentally self launching, once you remove it from the
bag.

6. Walk back to the bag and carefully remove the kite from the bag.
Unfold or spread out kite on the ground carefully so that you don't
stuff the kite through the bridles.

7. Make sure leading edge of kite (the end with the holes/openings) is
pointing upwards, so that the kite is resting on the ground on it's
trailing edge. This will keep the kite from self launching.

8. Stand behind kite and pull the kite down wind so that the lines pull
tight.

9. Check bridles for tangles or breaks in the bridle. Undo any tangles.

10. Check the line to bridle connection points, to insure that they are
secure.

11. Walk back to handles and carefully pick up handles from stake,
making sure that you have the top of the handles pointed toward the
kite.

12. Your flying lines will look like there are a lot of twist in them,
but they're only looped over each other. Don't try and untwist lines at
this point if the lines look twisted.

13. With one handle in each hand (left handle in left hand, right handle
in right hand), bounce the kite up and down on the ground so that the
kite doesn't come off the ground more that a meter, and spread your arms
apart so that the lines un-loop from each other.

14. At this point your lines should be twist free if you're lucky. You
may still have 3-5 twist in your lines. If so, place both handles
together in one hand and carefully rotate the handles so that you
untwist the lines.

--Winding Up lines:

1. Stake down handles.

2. Fold or gather kite and put in storage bag, so that it won't
accidentally launch, while you're rolling up your lines (this is the
safest way, especially in heavy winds).

3. Walk back to handles.

4. Pick up handles with either hand with top of handles pointing toward
the kite.

5. Grasp all four lines with your free hand, close to the handles and
start winding the lines around the handles (direction doesn't matter as
long as you keep the top of the handles pointed toward the kite).

6. Wind lines fairly tight around the padding of the handles until you
reach the kite.

7. Wind the last 2 feet of line between the handles. This will keep your
lines from unravelling off of the handles.

8. Place handles in bag so that the handles go in, bottom first.

9. Close kite bag.

10. Don't forget to pick up your ground stake.
You can buy a golf ball stake at most kite stores. Or you can use a long
screwdriver to stake your kite lines down to the ground.

All this sounds time consuming and complicated, but it's really not,
once you get used to it. This method sure beats, spending a half an hour
or longer, untwisting your twisted, tangled lines. The key to no line
twist, is rolling and unrolling the lines from the same end of the
handles. And "NO", it doesn't matter which hand you hold the lines or
handles in.  

I included a couple extra safety inspection steps in these instructions,
because I know that some fliers/buggiers don't inspect their equipment
as often as they need to.

Troy Gunn

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http://www.msnusers.com/AmericanKiteBuggier

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quad line twist

Post by Buzzard6 » Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:51:59

Quote:
>figure 8 winders

There are lots of different ones on the market. I like the Shanti ones best.
They are called "Crazy 8".
 
 
 

quad line twist

Post by Garry Bo » Sat, 05 Jan 2002 20:41:46

Winders are for wimps

check out http://SportToday.org/

GaRRy


Quote:

> Had the same problems when I first started flying 4 LINES.
> TERRIBLEY!!
>   You will find that most folks use handles (many styles
> are commercially available) that allow the use a figure "8"
> when winding them.  My winders all have a pair of deep
> notches to hold the 2 pairs of loops apart and to start the
> winding.  Wind all 4 lines at up at once and together. Then
> secure both the handles and winder together with a few wide
> *** bands after you're done to hold things in place for
> storage or transportation.
>   It doesn't stop ALL the tangles, but reduces them to a
> bare minimum.  A couple of ground "golf-ball" stakes helps
> to both wind and unwind if you don't have help.
>   May the wind always BE at your back....

> Bill in Phx Az

> Posted from the Rec.Kites Archive at http://SportToday.org/ - I Kite,
Therefore I Am

 
 
 

quad line twist

Post by Mike Spenc » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:57:00

Have just started kiting and buggying. Initially I just wrapped the lines
round the handles but this was so time consuming and usually resulted in
knots if not careful.
Someone suggested ' para packing' i.e.. pack the kite and lines as a
parachute would be packed. This is so quick and simple. Follow the link from
Garry Boxs' reply. I use 'method 1'.
Good luck,
Mike


Quote:
> Hi there, having just completed a 3m Eliminator I am in the process of
> learning how to fly it. So far flying time has been limited by the
> requirement to untanlge my lines everytime I get them out of the bag. Can
> anyone offer any advie on how to reduce the tangled mess. I currently wrap
> all four lines around the handles.

> any advice gratfully received
> Joe

 
 
 

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Post by gaz » Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:53:33

I have had this problem and was about to give up on it but I remembered. I
had been winding the lines on in a circular fashion. As soon as I wound them
up in a figure of eight pattern all I had were a couple of twists at the
end, no more than 6 which was easy to undo by putting both handles together
and turning.

Quote:
> Have just started kiting and buggying. Initially I just wrapped the lines
> round the handles but this was so time consuming and usually resulted in
> knots if not careful.
> Someone suggested ' para packing' i.e.. pack the kite and lines as a
> parachute would be packed. This is so quick and simple. Follow the link
from
> Garry Boxs' reply. I use 'method 1'.
> Good luck,
> Mike



> > Hi there, having just completed a 3m Eliminator I am in the process of
> > learning how to fly it. So far flying time has been limited by the
> > requirement to untanlge my lines everytime I get them out of the bag.
Can
> > anyone offer any advie on how to reduce the tangled mess. I currently
wrap
> > all four lines around the handles.

> > any advice gratfully received
> > Joe

 
 
 

quad line twist

Post by ODuursm » Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:14:46

Hi there,

a method I like to use myself is the following: I use normal `spools` but the
wide type. Then when I`m ready to wind up my lines, i hold my handlebar under my
left arm, take both the upper and lower line, and start winding it on the spool.
It may seem like you`ll get numerous twists in the line, but the clue is in
unwinding. Since you coiled the line on there, you can`t just hold the spool
over your finger and let it wind out. Instead, hold the spool perpendicular to
your kite (like the steering wheel of your car i guess ;)  ) and let the line
come off the spool like this.
I have found this method alot faster and easier than detaching the lines and
putting it on figure-8 style. This way you just leave the handles on, and when
you`re finished put one of those wide elastic bands on there to keep the lines
from falling off and voila!

If this wasn`t clear, which i could totally understand, just ask ;)

Okke Duursma

Quote:

> Have just started kiting and buggying. Initially I just wrapped the lines
> round the handles but this was so time consuming and usually resulted in
> knots if not careful.
> Someone suggested ' para packing' i.e.. pack the kite and lines as a
> parachute would be packed. This is so quick and simple. Follow the link from
> Garry Boxs' reply. I use 'method 1'.
> Good luck,
> Mike



> > Hi there, having just completed a 3m Eliminator I am in the process of
> > learning how to fly it. So far flying time has been limited by the
> > requirement to untanlge my lines everytime I get them out of the bag. Can
> > anyone offer any advie on how to reduce the tangled mess. I currently wrap
> > all four lines around the handles.

> > any advice gratfully received
> > Joe