-] Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:58:23 GMT
-] Subject: Re: Scoring Kite Competitions
-] At the board meeting that was held on Sunday morning two resolutions
-] were put into effect that potentially have an effect on stunt kite folks:
-] - To institute a national ranking system on a trial
-] basis. This ranking system would potentially qualify
-] additional teams and individuals for the AKA convention.
-] Darrin Skinner is working on a system similar to the tennis
-] computer ranking system to rank flyers nationally. Contact
-] Darrin for more information on this.
-] - The results of the AKA Grand Nationals will be used to
-] establish a season end national ranking for the AKA. If you
-] win in Master's Individual Ballet at the Grand Nationals,
-] then you can claim to be the best ballet flyer on the AKA
-] Please note that the first bit is a *trial* system. It might be used
-] this year, and it might not.
-] The second bit will go into effect for the 1995 AKA Convention.
-] Marty Sasaki Harvard University Sasaki Kite Fabrications
-] 617-496-4320 10 Ware Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
-] Cambridge, MA 02138-4002 phone/fax: 617-522-8546
I was planning on bring this issue to discussion on rec.kites in a few weeks,
but since Marty has already opened the topic -- now is as good a time as any.
The AKA wants to establish a national ranking system, because:
(1)The AKA Convention competition is supposed to be a best-of-the-best
competition. The best we've been able to do along these lines
is a best-of-the-conferences competition. Now, this probably
represents 90% of the best-of-the-best, but if we can identify
individuals that consistently win on a national basis then we
can invite them to compete as well. This gets us closer to a
(2)The International Olympic committee has a specific list of requirements
for a sport being considered in the olympic games. One of these
requirements is that there be a national ranking system administered
by a non-profit organization.
(3)It would be nice to have a system that could determine that (for example)
Dodd Gross is a better flier than (oh, lets say) David Gomberg eventhough
these two have never flown at the same event.
As Marty mentioned, the AKA wants to have a national scoring system in place this
year on a trial basis. They have directed the Festival and Competitions Committee
(i.e. it's chairman (i.e. me)) to do this.
So far, all of the above is just information to you all...
here's where I put YOU to work.
I want your opinions (please keep to 500 words or less :-) )... There are two basic
approaches/directions to take when doing a national scoring system.
(1) (benefit) A very accurate system.
(drawback) Hard or impossible for individual to determine their own ranking.
(examples) US Tennis Association, US Chess Federation, Golf handicaps
(2) (benefit) Easy for individual to determine their own score.
(drawback) Even though individual can determine their own score, the score
alone does not tell them where they rank.
(drawback) Not as accurate a system as #1 above.
(examples) Current AKA conference system, American Kite (Mag.) circuit.
As many of you know, I've been working on a US Kite Ranking system that is
almost a direct copy of the US Tennis Assocations ranking system. The USTA system
is considered (in international sports) to be one of the most accurate systems in
existance. When the difference between being ranked 4th and being ranked 5th equals
millions of dollars in endorsments, the ranking system had better be accurate! The
major advantage to this system is that it makes determinations about fliers abilities
based on head-to-head competition *only*. For example, if flier A beat flier B, and flier
B beat flier C. USKR determines that flier A is better than flier C, even though the
two fliers have never flown against each other.
This system (USKR) works fine for me. It has the advantages and dis-advantages as described
in #1 above. If the AKA had no way of publishing the results quickly, I'd say the
system MUST be self determining (i.e. each individual should be able to determine their
own score and ranking). However, the AKA Automated Information System (IMHO) takes care
of this problem. The results can/will be updated on the system as soon as new event
information is recieved.
My real question for rec.kites is, what would you prefer? A system where you can
figure your own score; a system where you can't figure your own score; a less
accurate system; a more accurate system; etc...?
A basic assumption I make in all the above is that a less complicated system is
also less accurate (and vice versa). I have formed this opinion after examining
over 20 different scoring systems (some in use, some not). If anyone can show me
a accurate system (for national scoring, where most competitors *never* compete
head-to-head) that is not complex, I'll be the first to endorse it.
P.S. I have a handfull of alternative ideas for the AKA's national ranking system.
I'll post these ideas later this week (hopefully).