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Post by Carl Crowe » Sun, 19 Jun 1994 01:43:20


It has taken me too long to figure out how to read and post on
wreck.kites !  Please don't add another area...my poor little brain could
not keep up with two areas at once.    I might even have to buy a new
***band to power my computer.  I have to peddle as fast as I can just
to read this news group... argh !

An option exist... group mailings for narrow topics.
If there are four people interested in odd twisted corners of kiting.. ie:

        Anthropomorphisim in Tethered Aviation

In the construction of a kite, as with all art, the artist tries to put a
little bit of the self into the work.  The essence of what it is that
makes a kite unique may be part materials, part technique but it is also
part builder. When a kite is instilled with an aspect of the builder, the
line between craft and art is crossed. A relationship between the work
and the artist is established.  When the expression of the artist is
based on anthropomorphic expression, the relation between builder, the
kite and the observer is that much stronger.

Then they can get exchange the information via email by group mailings.  
i think that I know how to do this but it would deffinatly take a new
***band.... oh.. my legs ache... but I must peddle on..

carl

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Post by Mauricio Arau » Mon, 20 Jun 1994 13:27:31

:         Anthropomorphisim in Tethered Aviation

: In the construction of a kite, as with all art, the artist tries to put a
: little bit of the self into the work.  The essence of what it is that
: makes a kite unique may be part materials, part technique but it is also
: part builder. When a kite is instilled with an aspect of the builder, the
: line between craft and art is crossed. A relationship between the work
: and the artist is established.  When the expression of the artist is
: based on anthropomorphic expression, the relation between builder, the
: kite and the observer is that much stronger.

While I do not question the statement don't you think that it should be
titled:
                Gestalt in Tethered Aviation

 What I understand is that the whole is greater than the sum of its
parts. There is an interaction between the observed and the observer.
Into the mix must also be thrown individual parts of the observed
(material, construction technique, etc.) and the individual parts of the
observer (history, perspective, attention) and other intangibles time of
day, conditions and etc.

With Highly Manuverable "Kites" the question of observer and observed is
more complicated.

I realize that I have changed somewhat the original but anthropomorphism
(the ascribing of human characteristics to non-human things) did not seem
to fit. I do not think that a kite has to anthropomorphized to establish a
tight bond between 'kite', builder and observer. But then what do I know.

 
 
 

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Post by Carl Crowe » Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:20:32

RE:             Gestalt in Tethered Aviation

        The statement that I posted is an excerpt form a larger article
that deals with some very specific kites that I have been building.  These
are the Saints and Apostles.  Though relationist theories can be argued
for all types of kites, in that the extent of interaction need go no
further than the act of observation, I am, in the excerpt, making a
reference to very specific kites.

        When the dual line, or controllable kite is analyzed, there are
 numerous additional variables to consider.  

        If there is interest in the full article, I would be willing to
 email it to people, but I do not feel that it belongs as a post.  As it
is too many people will awake with keyboard prints on their face from
reading this, I do not feel it necessary to subject them to additional
babble and nonsense..This area needs to be devoted to the honest pursuit
of meaningful dialog, like what does Frank like for lunch?

carl
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Post by Mauricio Arau » Tue, 21 Jun 1994 23:36:33

After more sleep and less coffee, I re-read what I had posted and
realized that it was a mess.

I agree with Carl in that there is a point in which craft becomes art. I
disagree that a kite has to exhibit human-like qualities
(anthropomorphism) for it to become art.

When does a kite become art? I think that the answer is dependant upon
alot of factors. Sometimes these factors include the observer and his
surroundings. With Highly manuverable kites the point of art and craft is
blurred even further because of greater interaction between more
elements. It is not only the skill of the flyer but in addition, the
kite, the position of the observer, etc.

I hope that this clears up the previous post.

 
 
 

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Post by Carl Crowe » Wed, 22 Jun 1994 11:25:33

: After more sleep and less coffee, I re-read what I had posted and
: realized that it was a mess.

- Yeah, I noticed.  

: I hope that this clears up the previous post.

-nope

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