lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by Atomic Sku » Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:00:00


  What's the best way to remove twisting in your lines?  I don't mean both
lines twisting together, but rather twists in each line.  Currently I land the
kite periodicly, unhook it, and pinch the lines while walking down the lines
from the handle end.

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lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by David Gomber » Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>  What's the best way to remove twisting in your lines?

Improved line handling will eliminate twists from your line.

The first thing is to prevent them from getting thrre in the
first place. Take a look at how you unwind your lines to fly. Do
you just run them off a spool or winder? And then at the end of
the day when you pack up, do you put them back on the winder
hand-over-hand. That's where the twists come from!

Unwind your lines the same way you pack them up. That will
minimiuze twists.

Secondly, take any twists out of your line at the end of the day.

Land the kite. Undo the line where it connects to the kite.
*Then* wind up your line - squeezing out the twists as you go.

Don't inturrupt your flying for line maintenance. Build it into
your set up and take down procedure.

Have fun!!

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lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by Ian Newha » Wed, 29 Mar 2000 04:00:00



Quote:

>  What's the best way to remove twisting in your lines?  I don't mean both
>lines twisting together, but rather twists in each line.  Currently I land the
>kite periodicly, unhook it, and pinch the lines while walking down the lines
>from the handle end.

Rather than removing them you can stop them getting there in the 1st
place, it's usually winding them up that causes the twists.

What are you storing your lines on? This often happens when winding the
lines on to a spool. If you want to use a halo or spool of some sort
always wind on and off the same side.

It's IMO easier to wind your lines in a figure 8 onto a purpose made
winder (eg moran or similar). Figure 8 winding will stop the twists too.

It goes without saying that there are obviously lots of ways to wind
even including around your straps and everyone has their favourite but
the key is to do it on/off the same side every time or in a figure 8.

Hope that helps.
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lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by Atomic Sku » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>Secondly, take any twists out of your line at the end of the day.

>Land the kite. Undo the line where it connects to the kite.
>*Then* wind up your line - squeezing out the twists as you go.

>Don't inturrupt your flying for line maintenance. Build it into
>your set up and take down procedure.

>Have fun!!

  For some odd reason, the lines seem to develop twists _after_ I've been
flying for a while though.

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lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by Atomic Sku » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>It's IMO easier to wind your lines in a figure 8 onto a purpose made
>winder (eg moran or similar). Figure 8 winding will stop the twists too.

>It goes without saying that there are obviously lots of ways to wind
>even including around your straps and everyone has their favourite but
>the key is to do it on/off the same side every time or in a figure 8.

  I'm using handles..  For some reason, the lines seem to develop twists after
I've been flying for a while (don't ask me why, I have no clue how this is
happening either)

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lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by Tel » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

What sort of line are you using?
Tel
Quote:

> >Secondly, take any twists out of your line at the end of the day.

> >Land the kite. Undo the line where it connects to the kite.
> >*Then* wind up your line - squeezing out the twists as you go.

> >Don't inturrupt your flying for line maintenance. Build it into
> >your set up and take down procedure.

> >Have fun!!

>   For some odd reason, the lines seem to develop twists _after_ I've been
> flying for a while though.

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lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by Ian Newha » Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
>  I'm using handles..

The kind you wind your lines around? So I assume you're winding on and
off the same side (the kite side) so that shouldn't be introducing new
twists.

A long shot but... Are you using braided or twisted lines? If you are
using twisted lines sometimes the twists which should be there can get
pushed to one end making the line look more twisted. If you are I really
cant overstate how much better braided spectra/dyneema is.

Quote:
>  For some reason, the lines seem to develop twists after
>I've been flying for a while (don't ask me why, I have no clue how this is
>happening either)

Another long shot... When you have done a lot of spins are you spinning
the kite back the opposite way to take the turns out or landing the kite
and passing the handles hand over hand to take the turns out? Thats
about the only other way I can envisage twists getting into each line
(By turns I mean the lines winding around each other, rather than twist
in one line.)

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lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by Atomic Sku » Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

>What sort of line are you using?
>Tel

  150 lb test Spectra (LaserPro Gold)

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lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by Atomic Sku » Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>A long shot but... Are you using braided or twisted lines? If you are
>using twisted lines sometimes the twists which should be there can get
>pushed to one end making the line look more twisted. If you are I really
>cant overstate how much better braided spectra/dyneema is.

  Braided..

Quote:
>>  For some reason, the lines seem to develop twists after
>>I've been flying for a while (don't ask me why, I have no clue how this is
>>happening either)

>Another long shot... When you have done a lot of spins are you spinning
>the kite back the opposite way to take the turns out or landing the kite
>and passing the handles hand over hand to take the turns out? Thats
>about the only other way I can envisage twists getting into each line
>(By turns I mean the lines winding around each other, rather than twist
>in one line.)

  I loop the kite the other way to remove the twists of course..

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lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by ctcore » Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I have been flying for almost a year on 80lb spectra.  This is the line I
bought with my first kite.  I have never twisted this line.  Am I lucky or
am I good?  Or maybe I  just have good winding and unwinding habits.  I have
8 different line sets and I have never had a twist.

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> >What sort of line are you using?
> >Tel

>   150 lb test Spectra (LaserPro Gold)

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lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by Rod24 » Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:00:00

I agree with Ian's first reply that you should wind your lines
on a winder using a figure 8.

You said that you are using handles.  I take it that you are not
using straps and a separate winder.  Is the handles the type
where you wind the line around each handle?  If so, when you
unwind the lines, if you aren't turning the handles and simply
pulling the line off the end, then that's where the twists are
coming from.
Think of it like how a garden hose is hung on a hanger in a
round coil.  When the hose is removed from the hanger simply by
grabbing the whole coil and dropping it on the ground, as the
hose gets pulled straight, you can see the coil effect in the
hose.

If you are using handles, I'd recommend that instead, you use
straps and a winder and the figure 8 concept for winding lines.

Now if you're like me and sometimes have one line pulled out of
you hand while flying and the kite spins uncontrolled to the
ground, the one line that was still in my other hand will have
many twists in it.  But that's another story.

Which brings me to another question.  How come when you purchase
a brand new set of lines on a winder, the lines aren't wrapped
in the figure 8?  Flyers must be real careful to unwind brand
new lines by rotating the winder as to not cause any twists.
Wonder how many newbies think that since the lines came wound
around the winder, that the correct way to wind lines back is
again around the winder.  Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.

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Post by michael m. mos » Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:00:00

You know, I always wondered why I always have a tangled mess with new
linesets the very first time I use them, and never again after that.
Since I Always wind and unwind the same way (with winder in right hand)
I guess I assumed that they did it that way at the "factory" too!  ;-)
I don't use the figure 8 style on any sets (other than my Rev) but do
separate the lines with my left hand finger as they are going on and
have no troubles in a looooong time (even tho the figure 8 folks may
tease me) and I find it much faster than the figure 8 style.

Just my thinking

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lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by James Hods » Sat, 01 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Hi Atomic (if I may be so familiar)

Quote:
>  I loop the kite the other way to remove the twists of course..

That's OK with 10, 20 or even 30 twists but...

... a local flyer has a penchant for trying to break his own record for
backspins on his Gemini. I think his PB is currently 237... all in the same
direction. Once he's done a handful of spins he drops one strap and
continues flying the kite with one hand.

After so many rotations it is impossible to spin the kite back in the other
direction to remove any twists whilst the kite is flying. There are just
too many twists in the lines. The only remedy is to untwist the lines by
hand, by twisting one strap over the other... again and again and again...

Regards
James
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lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by Ian Newha » Sat, 01 Apr 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
>  I loop the kite the other way to remove the twists of course..

Sorry I didn't mean to insult your intelligence there, just trying to
eliminate possibilities.

Well, I'm about out of ideas!

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lines twisting - best way to deal with it?

Post by Atomic Sku » Sat, 01 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

>x-no-archive: yes

>>I have been flying for almost a year on 80lb spectra. =20

>You're probably due a break for a beer/food/toilet about now, then ;-D

>R.

  80 lb?  What are you flying??  I wouldn't trust a full sized kite on anything
under 150

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