"Beetle" vs. "First Step"

"Beetle" vs. "First Step"

Post by Jose Varga » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00


    Please help me decide. I've been doing online research about it but
can't seem to make up my mind about it.
Is there someone who can help me, anything can be of help, people who have
done test drives, pro's and con's, whatever comes to your mind, I'm kind of
needy..... pleaseeeee.

I'm sorry for being such a bother for the ng.......
And.... thanks in advance......

                                                            jose

 
 
 

"Beetle" vs. "First Step"

Post by Mike Delfa » Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Hi Jose,
        I just had this conversation with someone tonight. Heres what I told them. If
it's your very first kite, and you've never flown a dual line before the
BEETLE is a great package.
Virtually indestructable!
On the other hand, if you can launch, land, and loop, you're ready for the
FIRST STEP.
The First Step has a wider wind range, and it'll do ALL the tricks when you
get to that point.
IMO, the First Step will take you further.

Most stores have both for about the same price.

Blue Skies,
        Mike Delfar

 
 
 

"Beetle" vs. "First Step"

Post by glen » Thu, 08 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Jose,

I can't say about the Beatle, but I have a First step that I use to teach
others with, and it has withstood their abuse and taught them the joy of
dual line flying.

One advantage the First step has is the ability to be a silent kite or  a
real noise maker.  Kids love the buzz sound!!!  When the winds are up, I
often pull it out for a blast as well.

Enjoy!  And be ready to buy more kites!!

glen

Quote:

>    Please help me decide. I've been doing online research about it but
>can't seem to make up my mind about it.
>Is there someone who can help me, anything can be of help, people who have
>done test drives, pro's and con's, whatever comes to your mind, I'm kind of
>needy..... pleaseeeee.

>I'm sorry for being such a bother for the ng.......
>And.... thanks in advance......

>                                                            jose


 
 
 

"Beetle" vs. "First Step"

Post by m.. » Thu, 08 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Without a doubt, the first step feels much more like a 'real' kite than
the Beetle when the wind picks up, but I always recommend the Beetle
around here (Vancouver, Canada) because it flies in our normally light
winds. With a tweak of the bridle, the Beetle flies down into ultralight
 territory, wheras the first step struggles.

The Beetle is much more durable than the First Step. I never flinch when
someone kangs mine into the ground at full speed. The First Step I flew
popped it's spine right through it's nosepiece after a few hours. Might
have been an isolated incident, but I recall postings about this
happening with the Jam as well.

The First Step out-tricks the Beetle though, and the Beetle is no slouch
either.

So if light winds and durability are your main concerns, I'd go for the
Beetle. Outherwise the First Step is a good choice.

Mike M.



Quote:

>     Please help me decide. I've been doing online research about it
but
> can't seem to make up my mind about it.
> Is there someone who can help me, anything can be of help, people who
have
> done test drives, pro's and con's, whatever comes to your mind, I'm
kind of
> needy..... pleaseeeee.

> I'm sorry for being such a bother for the ng.......
> And.... thanks in advance......

>                                                             jose

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"Beetle" vs. "First Step"

Post by Mike Armstron » Thu, 08 Jul 1999 04:00:00

My lads did that too though it was due to the spine being tucked under the
heavy webbing but not under the dacron as well so that the wider weave of
the heavier fabric just parted and let the spine work its way through.
Since replacing it properly it has been fine. ?A small assembly problem in
manufacture maybe? Perhaps Dodd could look into it.
--
   0    Mike Armstrong
  /\_   Web:www.spec.u-net.com

\/~ \/  It's better to take yourself for a ride than be taken!


Quote:
>First Step I flew
> popped it's spine right through it's nosepiece after a few hours. Might
> have been an isolated incident, but I recall postings about this
> happening with the Jam as well.

 
 
 

"Beetle" vs. "First Step"

Post by Clarke Woodf » Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Jose,

My first kite was a Beetle.    I highly recommend it.   It's totally
indestructible, and flies well.

Don't burn up too many brain cells worry about the purchase.   Get one
or the other, and start flying!    You'll be purchasing your next kite
about a month after you get your Beetle or First Step, and you'll be
spending at least twice as much on your 2nd kite than your first.   I
just spent $80 on my 2nd kite and I've already got a $140 Prism
Fanatic on order.

Here's another tip :   your first kite (the Beetle or the First Step,
whichever you buy) will quickly become your "teach my family and
friends who've never flown a stunt kite and need a bulletproof kite to
learn on" kite.     Whenever your family and friends want to learn to
fly, you  won't want them using your $100 or $200 or $300 kites.
The easy flying, inexpensive, bulletproof Beetle is the perfect thing
for them to learn on, and you won't look like a jerk for not letting
them use your $275 Prism Illusion.       My five year old daugher has
just about mastered the Beetle.   It's really fun to see her fly it.
The look on her face is worth way more than the $45 I spent on the
Beetle.  

Have fun.

Clarke

Quote:

>    Please help me decide. I've been doing online research about it but
>can't seem to make up my mind about it.
>Is there someone who can help me, anything can be of help, people who have
>done test drives, pro's and con's, whatever comes to your mind, I'm kind of
>needy..... pleaseeeee.

>I'm sorry for being such a bother for the ng.......
>And.... thanks in advance......

>                                                            jose

 
 
 

"Beetle" vs. "First Step"

Post by Mike Dool » Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I echo Clark's sentiments... the Beetle is an excellent kite to carry
in your bag, and let anyone who wants to try a stunt kite fly it.
I've watched kids learning with mine, several times, and the joy is
worth every smash and tangle.  IMHO, the Beetle should be required
equipment in every flyer's bag, just for this purpose.
Nothing is foolproof, to a sufficiently talented fool!
 
 
 

"Beetle" vs. "First Step"

Post by erdo.. » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>  Whenever your family and friends want to learn to
>fly, you  won't want them using your $100 or $200 or $300 kites.
>The easy flying, inexpensive, bulletproof Beetle is the perfect thing
>for them to learn on, and you won't look like a jerk for not letting
>them use your $275 Prism Illusion.       My five year old daugher has
>just about mastered the Beetle.   It's really fun to see her fly it.
>The look on her face is worth way more than the $45 I spent on the

CRAP!!  Why is it that on the days that I only have my Total Eclipse,
Prohecy and SUL Eclipse , and only on these days, that beautiful girls
ask me to teach them to fly a stunt kite.
If I take the tank like kites along, nothing......

Ed-wind
Come fry a kite in Japan  :-)

 
 
 

"Beetle" vs. "First Step"

Post by Crash Johnso » Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>>  Whenever your family and friends want to learn to
>>fly, you  won't want them using your $100 or $200 or $300 kites.
>>The easy flying, inexpensive, bulletproof Beetle is the perfect thing
>>for them to learn on
<>
>CRAP!!  Why is it that on the days that I only have my Total Eclipse,
>Prohecy and SUL Eclipse , and only on these days, that beautiful girls
>ask me to teach them to fly a stunt kite.
>If I take the tank like kites along, nothing......

Let me tell you how it is done. She stands in front, you hold kite handles,
she puts her hands on your hands then takes a share of the load on the
handles. Of course, if you are a woman giving instructions, you may change
the positions. . . The amount of control you have is amazing. ahem.

Crash 'works for me' Johnson

 
 
 

"Beetle" vs. "First Step"

Post by Richard Nelso » Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Which of these kites is the easiest to control,to keep in the air?  I
want to get one for my five year old son.  He can fly my Jam Session if
I kneel behind him and grab the lines every few seconds to keep the kite
in the air.  I would like something that will allow the periods of his
control to extend.

Richard.

 
 
 

"Beetle" vs. "First Step"

Post by James Hods » Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:00:00

On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:07:20 +1100, Richard Nelson

Quote:

>Which of these kites is the easiest to control,to keep in the air?  I
>want to get one for my five year old son.  He can fly my Jam Session if
>I kneel behind him and grab the lines every few seconds to keep the kite
>in the air.  I would like something that will allow the periods of his
>control to extend.

Hi Richard

Why not let him persevere with the Jam. I've seen children not much older
than five able to beep a full sized kite aloft by themselves.

Regards
James

"Watch the kite, not where you're going!"
(RB 29/8/98)

 
 
 

"Beetle" vs. "First Step"

Post by Richard Nelso » Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:00:00

It's not ideal.  He is pretty light (shaped like a rake), so it doesn't
take much of a gust too drag him away.  Normally I am quick enough to
grab him, but the idea puts him off.  Also, I'd relax and let him do
more if I was unconcerned about him crashing.  He has a hard time
launching the Jam, he often can't pull/step back enough to launch it.
If I go and throw the kite in the air a bit, he has generally smacked it
into the ground before I can get over to help him control it.

It isn't too bad -he hasn't broken any spars yet and I have a few times,
but it could be better.  Also, I would like (and he would too) him to
have "his" own kite.

Richard.

Quote:
> Hi Richard

> Why not let him persevere with the Jam. I've seen children not much older
> than five able to beep a full sized kite aloft by themselves.

> Regards
> James

> "Watch the kite, not where you're going!"
> (RB 29/8/98)