under steer on flexifoil buggy

under steer on flexifoil buggy

Post by chri » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:29:36


has any one had any problem with under steer  im 6ft 2" and have the buggy
front end fully extended im quite heavey but im told this should help, but
if you need to put a quick turn in to avoid some thing it doesnt always
happen .
i know its the front end rake angle .
can i get an adjustable front end  and if so where or who do i need to talk
to .
im in berkshire uk.

--
Chris

web  http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.neal1/

 
 
 

under steer on flexifoil buggy

Post by Dave » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:39:45

Understeer, meaning the front of the buggy wants to continue straight
instead of turning with the tire (push)? You could lean forward to get
more weight on the front tire, or add some weight to the front fork. I
made tubes out of 2" pvc and bolted them to the front fork of my buggy.
It added about 20lbs, and it never pushes or drift when overpowered now.
In fact, I have a bit of oversteer now, which I like for quick turns or
scrubbing speed on demand. I should add it's a heavy Libre full race
buggy. You may not need as much weight.

As far as front rake (caster) goes, more rake gives you stability when
going forward. Less rake gives you stability when going backwards.
Racers like more rake for forward stability at speed, tricksters like
less rake for spinning and going backwards. I doubt changing your rake
will make much of a difference as far as the amount of bite you get on
the front tire, helping you to turn. But I could be wrong, as I've never
tried it.

HTH
Dave


Quote:
> has any one had any problem with under steer  im 6ft 2" and have the
buggy
> front end fully extended im quite heavey but im told this should help,
but
> if you need to put a quick turn in to avoid some thing it doesnt
always
> happen .
> i know its the front end rake angle .
> can i get an adjustable front end  and if so where or who do i need to
talk
> to .
> im in berkshire uk.

> --
> Chris

> web  http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.neal1/


 
 
 

under steer on flexifoil buggy

Post by chri » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:59:27

 i have tried leaning forward but it didnt work.
i think ill have to try the weight on the front forks.
not sure how this is done do you have any pictures of any buggy that has had
this done to it to give me some idea of how to do it.
cheers
  chris
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.neal1/


Quote:
> Understeer, meaning the front of the buggy wants to continue straight
> instead of turning with the tire (push)? You could lean forward to get
> more weight on the front tire, or add some weight to the front fork. I
> made tubes out of 2" pvc and bolted them to the front fork of my buggy.
> It added about 20lbs, and it never pushes or drift when overpowered now.
> In fact, I have a bit of oversteer now, which I like for quick turns or
> scrubbing speed on demand. I should add it's a heavy Libre full race
> buggy. You may not need as much weight.

> As far as front rake (caster) goes, more rake gives you stability when
> going forward. Less rake gives you stability when going backwards.
> Racers like more rake for forward stability at speed, tricksters like
> less rake for spinning and going backwards. I doubt changing your rake
> will make much of a difference as far as the amount of bite you get on
> the front tire, helping you to turn. But I could be wrong, as I've never
> tried it.

> HTH
> Dave



> > has any one had any problem with under steer  im 6ft 2" and have the
> buggy
> > front end fully extended im quite heavey but im told this should help,
> but
> > if you need to put a quick turn in to avoid some thing it doesnt
> always
> > happen .
> > i know its the front end rake angle .
> > can i get an adjustable front end  and if so where or who do i need to
> talk
> > to .
> > im in berkshire uk.

> > --
> > Chris

> > web  http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.neal1/


 
 
 

under steer on flexifoil buggy

Post by Dave » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:03:49


Quote:
> i have tried leaning forward but it didnt work.
> i think ill have to try the weight on the front forks.
> not sure how this is done do you have any pictures of any buggy that
has had
> this done to it to give me some idea of how to do it.
> cheers
>   chris
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.neal1/

Here's a photo of a buggy with lead weights held on with duct tape...

http://www.geocities.com/grimble2_uk/gal/gold2000/0033_33.jpg

... stolen from this website...

http://www.geocities.com/grimble2_uk/gal/gold2000/

Think "radiator hose clamps" for a more permanent attachment once you
get the weight sorted to your liking.

Dave

 
 
 

under steer on flexifoil buggy

Post by Michae » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:48:57

dave i think you should show your buggy with the customized version...ya
know,horns,rifle rack,BBQ pit...got a link to it dave?   M

Quote:



> > i have tried leaning forward but it didnt work.
> > i think ill have to try the weight on the front forks.
> > not sure how this is done do you have any pictures of any buggy that
> has had
> > this done to it to give me some idea of how to do it.
> > cheers
> >   chris
> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.neal1/

> Here's a photo of a buggy with lead weights held on with duct tape...

> http://www.geocities.com/grimble2_uk/gal/gold2000/0033_33.jpg

> ... stolen from this website...

> http://www.geocities.com/grimble2_uk/gal/gold2000/

> Think "radiator hose clamps" for a more permanent attachment once you
> get the weight sorted to your liking.

> Dave

 
 
 

under steer on flexifoil buggy

Post by Dave » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:02:57


Quote:
> dave i think you should show your buggy with the customized
version...ya
> know,horns,rifle rack,BBQ pit...got a link to it dave?   M

Oh, you mean the "Shoot 'em, Skin 'em, and Smoke 'em" buggy? Don't even
have to slow down buggy? I had to retire it 'cause I kept getting
blowouts every time I turned real sharp </hint>.

Dave
(anybody want to see a real Texas Longhorn buggy, send me an email and
I'll forward it to you)

 
 
 

under steer on flexifoil buggy

Post by chri » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:30:19

Dave
cheers for the help im allready rumaging round at work for something heavey
to strap on this weekend.
chris

Quote:



> > i have tried leaning forward but it didnt work.
> > i think ill have to try the weight on the front forks.
> > not sure how this is done do you have any pictures of any buggy that
> has had
> > this done to it to give me some idea of how to do it.
> > cheers
> >   chris
> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.neal1/

> Here's a photo of a buggy with lead weights held on with duct tape...

> http://www.geocities.com/grimble2_uk/gal/gold2000/0033_33.jpg

> ... stolen from this website...

> http://www.geocities.com/grimble2_uk/gal/gold2000/

> Think "radiator hose clamps" for a more permanent attachment once you
> get the weight sorted to your liking.

> Dave

 
 
 

under steer on flexifoil buggy

Post by Phillip Faye » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:59:02

Quote:

>Dave
>cheers for the help im allready rumaging round at work for something heavey
>to strap on this weekend.

How about a large dog?  Might keep the others out of your way.

--
Phillip Fayers, SunAdmin/Support/Programming/Postmaster/Webmaster(TM)
Dept of Physics & Astronomy, University of Wales, College of Cardiff.

 
 
 

under steer on flexifoil buggy

Post by chri » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 17:05:57

Dave

 thanks again i think you you put it up on flexifoil site aswell.
i have manage it but i only needed 12lbs and you can see how i did it on my
kite page.
chris
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.neal1/


Quote:
> Understeer, meaning the front of the buggy wants to continue straight
> instead of turning with the tire (push)? You could lean forward to get
> more weight on the front tire, or add some weight to the front fork. I
> made tubes out of 2" pvc and bolted them to the front fork of my buggy.
> It added about 20lbs, and it never pushes or drift when overpowered now.
> In fact, I have a bit of oversteer now, which I like for quick turns or
> scrubbing speed on demand. I should add it's a heavy Libre full race
> buggy. You may not need as much weight.

> As far as front rake (caster) goes, more rake gives you stability when
> going forward. Less rake gives you stability when going backwards.
> Racers like more rake for forward stability at speed, tricksters like
> less rake for spinning and going backwards. I doubt changing your rake
> will make much of a difference as far as the amount of bite you get on
> the front tire, helping you to turn. But I could be wrong, as I've never
> tried it.

> HTH
> Dave



> > has any one had any problem with under steer  im 6ft 2" and have the
> buggy
> > front end fully extended im quite heavey but im told this should help,
> but
> > if you need to put a quick turn in to avoid some thing it doesnt
> always
> > happen .
> > i know its the front end rake angle .
> > can i get an adjustable front end  and if so where or who do i need to
> talk
> > to .
> > im in berkshire uk.

> > --
> > Chris

> > web  http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.neal1/

 
 
 

under steer on flexifoil buggy

Post by Windthin » Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:42:42

you know...it kinda seems like b.s. to have to add a bunch of unneccessary
wieght to the front of your ride.just like having to run to the welder every
week.theres better designs out there ...get yourself a quality ride ...no user
R&D.
   Rick