What's an 'Over easy'

What's an 'Over easy'

Post by didi » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:50:02


Can any explain how to do the 'Over easy' trick on the
Prism trick show video.

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What's an 'Over easy'

Post by David Greenhoug » Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:13:38


Quote:

>Can any explain how to do the 'Over easy' trick on the
>Prism trick show video.

IIRC

Fly horizontally across the window to the edge,
Turn down,
As soon as the kite is pointing straight down,
'pop' inside hand, outside wing (going down)
Give slack, two, three....

Catch the wind & recover.

Eggs over easy

I'll have to go out and check that I'm right!

Quote:

>Posted from the Rec.Kites Archive at http://www.ikite.com - I Kite,
>Therefore I Am

--
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What's an 'Over easy'

Post by James Hods » Sat, 21 Apr 2001 03:34:06

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:13:38 +0100, David Greenhough

Quote:


>>Can any explain how to do the 'Over easy' trick on the
>>Prism trick show video.

>Fly horizontally across the window to the edge,
>Turn down,
>As soon as the kite is pointing straight down,
>'pop' inside hand, outside wing (going down)
>Give slack, two, three....

>Catch the wind & recover.

>Eggs over easy

>I'll have to go out and check that I'm right!

You certainly will, David! :-) You have it all correct apart from the
second part.

Fly horizonally across the window. I'll use left to right in this
example.
Turn up slightly - the amount depends on the kite but 15-30 degrees
works on most flying machines. (Use either a push with the lower/right
hand or a very smooth and gentle pull with the upper/left hand.)
Pop quite hard with the lower/right hand.
Give LOADS OF SLACK... and then some.
Wait a while.
Wait a while more.
Wait a bit more and you'll end up with a double Axel style move.

IMO, the trick works best - ie the most spectacular - near the ground
and with the kite just past the centre of the window. If you value
your kites in the slightest I suggest you start off in light wind.

David, your instructions would, I think, result in a rather abrupt 2
point landing, assuming that you were cooking your eggs near the
ground. Alternatively, you're describing the initiating action of a
slot machine; give a second pop and you'l get the full vertical slot
machine.

Didi, have a look at Peter Peters' Kite Site
<http://www.win.tue.nl/~pp/kites/> and look for Genie Pop.

James

 
 
 

What's an 'Over easy'

Post by David Greenhoug » Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:17:29



Quote:
>On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:13:38 +0100, David Greenhough


>>>Can any explain how to do the 'Over easy' trick on the
>>>Prism trick show video.

>>Fly horizontally across the window to the edge,
>>Turn down,
>>As soon as the kite is pointing straight down,
>>'pop' inside hand, outside wing (going down)
>>Give slack, two, three....
>>Catch the wind & recover.

>>Eggs over easy

>>I'll have to go out and check that I'm right!

>You certainly will, David! :-) You have it all correct apart from the
>second part.

OH-OH

Maybe we are talking about a different trick here!

Quote:

>Fly horizonally across the window. I'll use left to right in this
>example.
>Turn up slightly

What up? theres NO up in an over easy!

Quote:
>- the amount depends on the kite but 15-30 degrees
>works on most flying machines. (Use either a push with the lower/right
>hand or a very smooth and gentle pull with the upper/left hand.)

This is not the trick I was told was the over easy!

Quote:
>Pop quite hard with the lower/right hand.
>Give LOADS OF SLACK... and then some.
>Wait a while.
>Wait a while more.
>Wait a bit more and you'll end up with a double Axel style move.

My "over easy" was an upside down axle, no hint of turn up to initiate.

Quote:

>IMO, the trick works best - ie the most spectacular - near the ground
>and with the kite just past the centre of the window. If you value
>your kites in the slightest I suggest you start off in light wind.

>David, your instructions would, I think, result in a rather abrupt 2
>point landing, assuming that you were cooking your eggs near the
>ground.

Now that is the classic "Axle Down" a la Andy Preston vids.
A tad costly on the LLE's.

Quote:
> Alternatively, you're describing the initiating action of a
>slot machine; give a second pop and you'l get the full vertical slot
>machine.

Nah!

No its definitely an axle move done on a downward turn, more of a spin
axle on its head with extra slack!        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A real TA-DAH

Quote:

>Didi, have a look at Peter Peters' Kite Site
><http://www.win.tue.nl/~pp/kites/> and look for Genie Pop.

Now "Genie Pop" and "Over Easy" I thought were two different things!

I suppose I could have got the classic "outside hand inside hand
confusion" (sorry Dodd :)

Quote:

>James

I'll check it out and report back in the morning.

Ahh!  maybe I need to see the trick in the Prism trick show to see where
I am getting muckstip.

Sorry if I am adding to the confusion........... DG

--
David Greenhough

 
 
 

What's an 'Over easy'

Post by James Hods » Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:29:39

Hi David

Pistols at dawn, methinks!

Quote:
>>Turn up slightly
>What up? theres NO up in an over easy!

Have a look at Trick Show. The Over Easys in that tape are approached
from swooping turns, as far as I recall. The pop comes just after the
nose is pointing above horizontal. You need the slight upwards turn to
set the wing you're about to pop back away from you a bit (as per a
regular Axel).

Quote:
>My "over easy" was an upside down axle, no hint of turn up to initiate.

>>IMO, the trick works best - ie the most spectacular - near the ground
>>and with the kite just past the centre of the window. If you value
>>your kites in the slightest I suggest you start off in light wind.

>>David, your instructions would, I think, result in a rather abrupt 2
>>point landing, assuming that you were cooking your eggs near the
>>ground.

>Now that is the classic "Axle Down" a la Andy Preston vids.
>A tad costly on the LLE's.

Agreed, especially with the LLE bit. I think it's what Prism refer to
as an Axel landing on The Advanced Way to Fly. You'd get one of your
Axel Downs if you do as you said and pop with your outer hand with the
nose pointing down. If you do your move higher in the window you'd get
Moebius style spin. There's a Moebius done with an Illy right at the
start of Trick Show and two are done right at the end, one again with
an Illy and the other with a Fanatic (the very last trick on the
tape). IMO, for an ideal Moebius the nose should be pointing just
below horizontal but further down is OK too.

Quote:
>No its definitely an axle move done on a downward turn, more of a spin
>axle on its head with extra slack!        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Moebius.

Quote:
>A real TA-DAH

Dum de dum :-)

Quote:
>Now "Genie Pop" and "Over Easy" I thought were two different things!

Looking at Trick Show and PP's kite site's instructions, I think
they're the same beast.

Quote:
>I suppose I could have got the classic "outside hand inside hand
>confusion" (sorry Dodd :)

Damn two line kites.

Quote:
>Ahh!  maybe I need to see the trick in the Prism trick show to see where
>I am getting muckstip.

>Sorry if I am adding to the confusion........... DG

All adds to the fun, David.

Anyway, who really cares as long as the trick comes off and looks
good.

James

 
 
 

What's an 'Over easy'

Post by David Greenhoug » Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:27:50



Quote:
>Hi David

>Pistols at dawn, methinks!

Matheson AzizAs after the Sunday lunch pub;
as you HAVE to give me the choice :)
Now You *ARE* in trouble ;p

Quote:
>Have a look at Trick Show. The Over Easys in that tape are approached
>from swooping turns, as far as I recall.

Hmm. I looked out my copy.
The Over Easy is the first trick on the tape

Quote:
>The pop comes just after the
>nose is pointing above horizontal.

Are we watching the same video here?
Full on dive, Over Easy as he flattens it out, surely?

Quote:
>>>David, your instructions would, I think, result in a rather abrupt 2
>>>point landing, assuming that you were cooking your eggs near the
>>>ground.

OK After analysing where abouts I pop an OE I will agree it is NOT in
the vertical dive.

If I fly R to L and dive anticlockwise I pop at around 5 or 4 o' clock.
OR ......L to R and turn down clockwise I pop at 7 or 8 .

If you pop any later it turns into a plain spin axle.

Quote:
>If you do your move higher in the window you'd get
>Moebius style spin. There's a Moebius done with an Illy right at the
>start of Trick Show

AH! *That's* the Over Easy!

Quote:
>and two are done right at the end, one again with
>an Illy and the other with a Fanatic (the very last trick on the
>tape). IMO, for an ideal Moebius the nose should be pointing just
>below horizontal but further down is OK too.
>Moebius.

Over Easy :)

Quote:
>>Now "Genie Pop" and "Over Easy" I thought were two different things!

>Looking at Trick Show and PP's kite site's instructions, I think
>they're the same beast.

I practised all three today and took note of what my hands were doing.
Isn't it odd, normally they just get on with it, hands that is!

The Over Easy is by far the most simple.

The other two are much more complex and need *far* finer timing.
I can over easy in my sleep but the other two need thinking about,
effort and still I don't get them 100% of the time.

Quote:

>Anyway, who really cares as long as the trick comes off and looks
>good.

I would agree but today anyone watching would have come quickly to the
conclusion I had lost it. Crash and burn seemed the order of the day,
testing what-happens-if scenarios and trying to analyse what makes A
trick, THAT trick!

By the end even I thought I was loosing it :(

Quote:

>James

I'll fly without thinking tomorrow
Hands, do your stuff!
I want to watch :)

--
David Greenhough

 
 
 

What's an 'Over easy'

Post by James Hods » Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:59:38

Hi David

Where in the UK are you, BTW, David?

Quote:
>Hands, do your stuff!
>I want to watch :)

With that, I agree :-)

Here's how I see it:

OVER EASY / GENIE POP
        Fly downwards from top right of window (in this eg) towards lower
middle / bottom left. Turn the kite clockwise (upwards) and do a left
handed Axel-style pop just as the nose points above horizontal (9
o'clock). Give an extreme amount of slack. You can approach this trick
from a horizontal groud pass - it's the position of the nose that
counts (!!!) and the way the kite's rotating.

MOEBIUS
        Fly towards the top of the window and turn down (to the left /
anti-clockwise in this eg). Do a right handed pop as the nose gets
below horizontal (9 o'clock). Give lots of slack. Once again, the
nose's position and the way the kite's turning that count.

SPIN AXEL
        Spin the kite anti-clockwise (in this eg). Give an right handed
Axel-type pop just as the nose passes 12 o'clock: when it's at, say,
11 o'clock. Once more, it's the nose's position and the way the kite's
turning that counts.

Quote:
>Matheson AzizAs after the Sunday lunch pub;
>as you HAVE to give me the choice :)
>Now You *ARE* in trouble ;p

Well, never having flown one before (an Aziza that is, not a pub), you
may well be correct. I'll need twenty seconds or so to master the way
the kite handles before battle commences - then I'll hit you with the
beer bottle I'll have removed earlier from the pub! :-)

Quote:
>Are we watching the same video here?

I'm not watching it 'cos A) I lent the tape to a mate and B) my
video's bust. But, I've watched the tape a good few hundred times and
know it backwards (could *that* be the problem, I wonder?).

Quote:
>If I fly R to L and dive anticlockwise I pop at around 5 or 4 o' clock.

Assuming you mean *turn* anti-clockwise not *dive* anti-clockwise, and
also assuming you intend a right handed pop then that what I've been
saying all along.
Quote:
>If I fly R to L and dive anticlockwise I pop at around 5 or 4 o' clock.

This means a downwards turn from roughly 8 o'clock, through 6 o'clock,
to 5 or 4 o'clock. If you pop when the nose is at 4 or 5 o'clock then
you do indeed have the Over Easy / Genie Pop. The only difference is
that I've previously been describing the entry to the trick as a
ground pass, which would be L-R in your example above.

Quote:
>The other two are much more complex and need *far* finer timing.

Not so much the Moebius, IMHO. Turn nose downwards... BANG... slack.
Slower ones naturally need a but more subtlety.

I'll contact Mark Reed for his word on matters Over Easy.

Regards
James

 
 
 

What's an 'Over easy'

Post by Jeff Fon » Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:19:41

Quote:
> Have a look at Trick Show. The Over Easys in that tape are approached
> from swooping turns, as far as I recall. The pop comes just after the

A side question.  What videos are the best for showing tricks and how they
are done?  How about general kite shows?  Particularly interested in
anything
on DVD?

TIA.

Jeff.

 
 
 

What's an 'Over easy'

Post by James Hods » Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:09:15



Quote:
>>If I fly R to L and dive anticlockwise I pop at around 5 or 4 o' clock.
>Assuming you mean *turn* anti-clockwise not *dive* anti-clockwise, and
>also assuming you intend a right handed pop then that what I've been
>saying all along.
>>If I fly R to L and dive anticlockwise I pop at around 5 or 4 o' clock.
>This means a downwards turn from roughly 8 o'clock, through 6 o'clock,
>to 5 or 4 o'clock. If you pop when the nose is at 4 or 5 o'clock then
>you do indeed have the Over Easy / Genie Pop. The only difference is
>that I've previously been describing the entry to the trick as a
>ground pass, which would be L-R in your example above.

I'd better correct myself. I meant to say "between 3 and 2 o'clock"
and not "between 5 and 4 o'clock".

James

 
 
 

What's an 'Over easy'

Post by Dave Dougla » Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:50:42

I recommend Dodd Gross's "Flight School" series. The tricks are shown
split-screen kite/flyer and described by hand in a studio setting. Get the
first one, learn what it teaches, get the second one, etc. They'll save
you a lot of head-scratchin' and they'll get those large question marks
over your head to go away while watching other fllyers do stunts.

Dave

Quote:

> > Have a look at Trick Show. The Over Easys in that tape are approached
> > from swooping turns, as far as I recall. The pop comes just after the

> A side question.  What videos are the best for showing tricks and how they
> are done?  How about general kite shows?  Particularly interested in
> anything
> on DVD?

> TIA.

> Jeff.

--
DAVE DOUGLASS-ILLUSTRATOR
http://www.DaveDouglass.com
 
 
 

What's an 'Over easy'

Post by James Hods » Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:55:47



Quote:
>> Have a look at Trick Show. The Over Easys in that tape are approached
>> from swooping turns, as far as I recall. The pop comes just after the

>A side question.  What videos are the best for showing tricks and how they
>are done?  How about general kite shows?  Particularly interested in
>anything
>on DVD?

Hi Jeff

Well, David and I have both mentioned Trick Show, which is made by
Prism. This video isn't strictly a training aid - in fact, there's a
disclaimer at the start of the tape that expressly forbids you
learning anything from it! The "Flight Training" section of their web
site has several ainimations showing both basic and more advanced
manoeuvres - <http://www.prismkites.com>

Prism also have released a couple of instructional videos: The Way to
Fly and The Advanced Way to Fly. They also do a CD-ROM. I haven't seen
it but I understand it give instuctions on many tricks. Possibly it's
a copy of the stuff on their web site.

Then there's Dodd Gross's Flight School series of videos. I've seen
the original tapes (very informative) but not the latest release but
I've heard good things of it.

One resource that should have a mention although it's not a video is
Peter Peters's kite site <http://www.win.tue.nl/~pp/kites/>

Finally, there are web sites out there that have short video clips of
assorted tricks.

Regards
James