High Wind Kite

High Wind Kite

Post by <leama.. » Wed, 20 Apr 1994 17:14:01


Spring has finally arrived here on the east coast of Canada and I can't
wait to get out flying again (it's been a long COLD winter!)

However with the finer weather and warmer (?) temperatures have also come
quite strong winds (25 - 60 Km/H).  These winds are a little much for my
stack of small diamonds and definitely too much to hold on my 6 foot Delta
(a Reflexx 9000).

Since I am looking to expand my inventory, I'm looking for suggestions that
will handle heavier winds... A flexi maybe... comments PLEASE!

Mike
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High Wind Kite

Post by Mark de Roussi » Thu, 21 Apr 1994 06:46:23

Quote:

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> Since I am looking to expand my inventory, I'm looking for suggestions that
> will handle heavier winds... A flexi maybe... comments PLEASE!

Yup, the flexi will handle the wind - but can you handle the flexi ?:) Now
*thats* the interesting bit. You may like to have some relatives and/or
paramedics around when you stick up a 10ft one in 60 klick wind for the first
time. A 6ft might be the most entertaining (as opposed to near-death-
experience ) option ! I find body weight plays a big part in the style that
is adopted in high winds by flexi flyers - the 'nose-used-as-a-plough' style
is more often seen amongst the fitter, lighter flyers, whereas the overweight
programmer is more likely to adopt the technique of throwing his body around
, in a manner akin to that of a drunk on a ferry, in the hope of influencing
the kites movements. On no account should you wear slippery trousers - the
first contact between posterior and damp grass in these conditions will cause
a motion (ahem) provisionally entitled 'Aaaaaargh!' ( N.B I don't know how to
indicate a doppler effect in netspeak....). Enjoy !

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High Wind Kite

Post by Andrew Beatt » Thu, 21 Apr 1994 15:27:34

Quote:

>Since I am looking to expand my inventory, I'm looking for suggestions that
>will handle heavier winds... A flexi maybe... comments PLEASE!

I'd consider:
        Something small and fast:
                A smaller Flexifoil (6' or 4')
                A small delta, like the Flexifoil Pico
        Something large and vented:
                Check out Rare-Air kites
                Lightflight sive (just a lightflight with mesh in the
                        centre pannels) - details of thre plans should
                        be in the FAQ
        Single liners:
                lots to choose from, but don't long-line-launch them

Andrew
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High Wind Kite

Post by uspeh.. » Thu, 21 Apr 1994 21:06:59

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For real high wind a would recommend Mirages or Speedwings. Master
Flyer Chris Shultz told me he's flown fiberglass framed Mirages in
40+ mph winds. He recommended stacking two rather than the usual
three in higher winds. Speedwings are also ideal in that there is no
spine to break. Stacking them does generate a lot of pull but one
doesn't pull much at all - it does fly real fast though. I've got a
vented North Shore VIP which works fairly well in higher winds though
it can generate a bit of pull. I also use a vented Moriah, which is
more of a ballet kite and doesn't generate as much pull as the VIP.
Then there's always the NBK (which you may have a hard time finding
now) which has never been broken, no matter what winds I fly it in.
My wife recommends a vented California Wasp. She says it tracks well
without any pull.

                           Good Luck,


 
 
 

High Wind Kite

Post by Jeffrey C. Bur » Fri, 22 Apr 1994 12:18:44

Quote:

>For real high wind a would recommend Mirages or Speedwings. Master
>Flyer Chris Shultz told me he's flown fiberglass framed Mirages in
>40+ mph winds. He recommended stacking two rather than the usual
>three in higher winds.

I would guess that the Mirages Chris flew were also equipped with
"trusstix", an alternate spreader which has a double brace to the spine.
(these are fairly easy to make; put together a mirage, find the spots on
the spreader to divide the spar into thirds, then measure the distance from
that spot down to the spine.  This is the length of your new post.  Now
just add vinyls to the spreader and a second vinyl to the spine.  Get rid
of the original post and use two new ones on either side of the spreader).

For *real* high winds, I can only recommend a Flexi.  I've flown Stackers
in winds over 50mph with no trouble.  A single 6' isn't hard to hold onto
in those winds.  I've been dragged by 2 6's in a 25-30mph wind, so I
wouldn't recommend stacking in those really high winds.  Do be careful to
avoid the ground with your Flexi, though...I've blown cells in high winds
through unplanned ground contact.

Quote:
>I've got a
>vented North Shore VIP which works fairly well in higher winds though
>it can generate a bit of pull. I also use a vented Moriah, which is
>more of a ballet kite and doesn't generate as much pull as the VIP

Vented kites are great for those competitions when you have to fly, and
they do a good job of reducing pull and smoothing out flight in gusts.  But
the effectiveness of the vents can only help so much.  For winds in the
thirties, I'd choose a Mirage or two over a vented delta any day of the week.

I have a Tracer that I gave some huge vents, and it's a good precision kite
when the winds are in the twenties.  It's ridiculously slow and still has a
good bit of pull.  I don't like the kite much, and I don't fly it except
when I absolutely have to...I flew it at a regional skc last November and
did well with it--and ended up loaning it out to other flyers.

Jeff
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High Wind Kite

Post by Kenny Blackbu » Fri, 22 Apr 1994 13:06:46

Quote:

>However with the finer weather and warmer (?) temperatures have also come
>quite strong winds (25 - 60 Km/H).  These winds are a little much for my
>stack of small diamonds and definitely too much to hold on my 6 foot Delta
>(a Reflexx 9000).

Same kind of winds up here in Ontario!

Quote:
>Since I am looking to expand my inventory, I'm looking for suggestions that
>will handle heavier winds... A flexi maybe... comments PLEASE!

I've been flying my Peter Powels in strong winds for the last two weeks and
ripped my sail a few times in several places! What would be fun in those
winds is a stack of speed wings. These have no center spar and only one
bottom spreader which makes them hard to break even on heavy landings. These
kites are MADE for high winds!
        For flexis, they will fly but may take you along for a ride in
strong winds! you may have to have other people to keep you on the ground,
otherwise you'll skid all the way on the field at some point!

Have fun!

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kenny Blackburn
Waterloo, Ontario or
Trois-Rivieres, Quebec, Canada
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High Wind Kite

Post by Jim Oliv » Fri, 22 Apr 1994 16:03:00



LE>Spring has finally arrived here on the east coast of Canada and I can't
LE>wait to get out flying again (it's been a long COLD winter!)

LE>However with the finer weather and warmer (?) temperatures have also come
LE>quite strong winds (25 - 60 Km/H).  These winds are a little much for my

I too live in a city which often has high winds. The best kite for high
winds is a heavy box kite (Codys are great). Inertia is a great stabiliser.
However since the forces due to wind speed increase in a cubic (is it ?)
fashion even adding weight is not enough. Drag is also a good stabiliser,
but again this increases fast with wind speed. So....... my best high wind
kites are very small (600mm long) sleds. No cutouts. Small so the line pull
isn't excessive.


 * SLMR 2.1a *

 
 
 

High Wind Kite

Post by Marty Sasa » Sat, 23 Apr 1994 01:35:07

Single lines:
        - Codys are great kites in high wind. They are very stable and
          deal with gusts well.
        - If you have a Brooxes Box, take it out. They fly well in
          heavier winds.
        - a larger parafoil or a flow form with a high drag
          tail/drougue will be stable too.

Dual line:
        The question here is what do you want the kite to do? Some of
        the smaller kites in high wind can be a blast. The only time
        that I fly my 4 foot flexis is in really high wind. I also
        have a Lazer (made by Gary Engvall, 6 foot Spinoff-like kite)
        that is loads of fun in high winds.

        The diamond kites (in stacks) and Hyperkites can be lots of
        fun in high wind too. I have a 6 stack of Dyna-kite
        Stuntmasters that are great in high wind. They fly nicely in
        light wind too.

        I've got vented versions of the Katana-2, but I'm not really
        satisfied with the way they fly. My objective here is to
        create a kite that will fly slowly and smoothly in high wind,
        yet still be able to do snap stalls and such. I've got a few
        prototypes that do an okay job, but they fly differently than
        the unvented kites.

        I've found the same to be true of other vented kites. They
        don't fly at all like the original. They don't necessarily fly
        badly, just differently. Different enough that it takes a bit
        of time to get used to the way they fly. This isn't the ideal
        situation when in competition where you might have to make
        quick kite changes.

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High Wind Kite

Post by Paul 'Raggs' Re » Sat, 23 Apr 1994 17:43:34



Quote:

>> Since I am looking to expand my inventory, I'm looking for suggestions that
>> will handle heavier winds... A flexi maybe... comments PLEASE!

>Yup, the flexi will handle the wind - but can you handle the flexi ?:) Now
>*thats* the interesting bit. You may like to have some relatives and/or
>paramedics around when you stick up a 10ft one in 60 klick wind for the first
>time. A 6ft might be the most entertaining (as opposed to near-death-
>experience ) option !

Nar, go for the big-un! Last Friday was a blast ... imagine the scene:
it had just rained over Portsmouth (England) and the freshly cut grass
down on the seafront was glistening with water ...

Enter the foolhardy Flyer. Constant 40 knots ruffling (?) his hair as
he wandered into the Arena. After pegging out he hesitantly took the
straps in his hands and and lifted the Red Devil into the air. The
handles began to tug as it rose above the grey seafront skyline.  The
10ft wing strained, and begged to be flown.  Bracing himself the Flyer
banked the Devil into a dive ... the spectra whistling as it cleaved
through the air.  The Flyer grinned to himself with joy.  Suddenly with
the realisation that he had tread-less trainers on, and friction had
decided to take a holiday, he began to hurtle across the glistening
grass! His brain went into neutral for a split second and foolisly he
banked the Devil back into the wind, trying to mark out a neat
figure-of-eight, strugling now to keep the Devil in the eye of the
gusting wind.

The Flyer's mind dropped back into gear; hoping soon it would all stop,
but wishing that it wouldn't!  It was then that the Flyer had his
second shock of the evening!  The impromptue ice-rink was running out
... fast! The crashing waves on the seafront loomed ever closer. The
Flyer fought to bring the Devil to a point where it could rest. The
Devil had different ideas, and even above his head it was still twisted
and straining for more!  Slowly the Flyer dragged himself and the Devil
back across the Arena ... just to see if the Devil would try the same
trick a second time ...
...

The adrenalin rush was incredible and the crowd that gathered to watch
looked as though they has as much fun as I did!

Go on be a Devil ... get a 10ft and see how much fun it can be!

Regards
Paul
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