Here's my take on the Shoreline dog park thing: The existing area IS a
"designated" kite flying area and it was built for the kiters that were
flying over by the lake in a picnicing area. The park's entrance booth has
a large NO DOGS!! sign in the window as you drive by. It's the largest
printed notice in the window and there's a reason for that. There's a lot
of wildlife out there (including the burrowing owl-the most endangered
bird in the valley) and there's a colony not 15 yards from the kiting area
coexisting with the kiters no problem. I've counted 10 ground squirrels on
the kite field at one time, had a jackrabbit briefly get tangled in my
lines, counted as many as 60 Canadian geese on the kiting field, seen a
ringneck pheasant within 10 yards of the kiting area 2 different times,
and the last 3 times I've been out there seen a golden eagle (one time
eating a ground squirrel within 20 yards of the kiting area. What makes
the kiting area so special out there is it's grass-yard type grass. If I
were a single line flyer I guess it wouldn't matter too much where I flew
but I'm a stunt flyer and like flying over grass. I might be wrong but
Ithink that was the whole point of coming up with this spot for the kiters
because the grass around the lake is very limited with lots of trees.
There's another property in the park being considered for the dog folks
and my tendency is to for them to use that. I'm not sure exactly where it
is but I'll bet that it won't be a threat (safety, turds, etc.) to as many
folks as it would be at the kiting field. The parking lot for the kite
field is also the only parking in that whole end of the park for bikers,
hikers, joggers, and rollerbladers to park. The path goes right by there.
So the way I see it, the dog park will impact many more folks (and
critters) than just us kiters by overwhelming the parking lot and having
the inevitable consequences of some inconsiderate dog owners and their
dogs. I'm not making this stuff up. There's Ocean Beach up in San
Francisco that has very prominent "DOGS MUST BE ON LEASH" signs about
every 30 yards all along the beach parking lots and on a typical weekend
day there are large populations of dogs not on leashes (I'd Say 5:1
unleashed to leashed) and plenty of dog shit to go around. Anyway, We'll
see how it shakes out tonight at the city council meeting. I plan to share
some recent snapshots of burrowing owls and a golden eagle that I've taken
at the kite field recently to possibly reinforce the wildlife angle. It
might be a lost cause but I plan on going down kicking and screaming.
> >Subject: Re: Shoreline Kite Field Going to Dogs??!!
> >Date: Mon, 06 December 1999 06:15 PM EST
> >Obviously you haven't seen my feet dearie.
> Ah, I had a feeling that remark would go over your head. Think contrasts,
> >Designated areas would mean a fence to me since those
> >that want these areas seem to feel their animals should be allowed to
> >run free.
> Doh. Just so there's no question where I am coming from let me be very clear.
> Owning dogs, whether it be a family member or part of a more formal activity,
> represents hundreds of millions of dollars in revenues each year. What do you
> imagine the taxes are on that? How many businesses are set up to serve dogs?
> They pay taxes. They create jobs. My cousin is a sled dog racer and trust me,
> he spends a great deal of money caring for his pack. Be realisitic...dogs
> outnumber kiters in proportions too vast to even consider.
> >Kite site
> >requires no fence, just don't plant trees every 50 feet.
> I don't know of one municipality that has designated a kite specific area. Do
> you? Kite flying areas are pretty much "claimed" not just handed over.
> >I object when those with the dogs would run roughshood over those who
> Why? What makes YOU so special as a kiter? Should the "citizens" pay for
> have public land maintained, kept dog and intruder free, just cuz you say so?
> What do you figure the costs would be to financially support, say 4 acres of
> open land to allow an activity that maybe 10 or 15 people might use on an
> infrequent basis?
> I am all for having plenty of kite fields available to play at. But it's your
> sort of attitude that gives kiters a bad name. I'm really getting tired
> "we're so special" even tho we are outnumbered by bocce ball players 2 to 1.
> Come on....quit whining about it, accept that you are in the minority and do
> something about it if you're so bummed out about how public land is used.
> Offer to teach a kite making/flying workshop at the local parks and rec
> department. Work with the schools to promote various kite projects. Get with
> your City's Chamber and Convention Bureaus and suggest putting on a kite
> festival at your local beach or field. Do fund raisers for local charities
> featuring kite comps like highest flying, most creative, biggest and littlest
> kite. Show kiting to be a viable activity that deserves the same consideration
> as other outdoor activities. But don't just show up one day at your
> and *** about the fact that it's gone to the dogs.
> Heck, our city knows there has been a kite festival for 13 years here at our
> local park and this year they forgot to mow the grass & book the
> blame anyone but myself for not checking up on it and trusting the powers that
> be would. THAT will never happen again.
> FYI....if the Shoreline field is the one I think it is, it also serves as
> overflow for the adjacent Shoreline Amphitheatre. There are some fairly high
> light poles scattered about if it's the one I'm thinking of. If it were ME, I
> would go to the folks at Shoreline and ask them if they want a dog park
> so closely to their concert grounds. It could get rather "smelly" when
> a onshore wind. Also, it might encourage people to bring dogs to the concerts
> with the idea that they could leave them in the car and go take them to the
> park periodically. This should be absolutely forbidden. So again, if it were
> me, I would get the big bucks Shoreline guys who cater to deadheads and
> to back me up at the meeting saying it would encourage pet abuse if they put a
> park there. However, this may be a different location than the one I'm
> of and this tactic might not work. Just an idea.