Flexis & Peels (wasRe: Side Jumps -- How are they done?)

Flexis & Peels (wasRe: Side Jumps -- How are they done?)

Post by ye7 » Sat, 10 Jul 1993 00:16:31


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Andrew Beattie writes:
>           Anything that feels like holding onto an articulated lorry
>will do the trick.

:-)

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>A 6.4m Peel probably doesn't give the same max power, but gives it's power
>round more of the window and is easier to launch and pack away.

They look like a parapent don't they?

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>I don't like mixed stacks.  it's just messy.

Good, I glad it's not just me who thinks this.

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>                                              Don't think that it stops
>at 6 10's tho.  If I buy any more flexies, I'll buy another 6, to take it
>to a dozen (this is beginning to get expensive) but I regret buying
>the flexies because Peels are so much better:

And this from a Flexi guru!

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>Tighter turning (on less arm movement)

That would be nice.

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>wider power window
>much better max-to-min power ratio

These two mean that the kite will pull even when vertically overhead
doesn't it? Is this a good thing in all conditions? I've always
thought that one of the advantages of the Flexi was that you could
relax and have a rest from time to time. And wouldn't it be a bit
disconcerting to be lifted vertically off the ground? My 2 sq metre
Quadrifoil is like this, and that can feel pretty scary in high winds.

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>easier to launch
>you can stall l them to fly them backwards (eg: for landing)

If you can run fast enough you can do this with Flexies :-)

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>completely soft - less likely to kill bystanders

Useful.

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>not stacked - no stack problems

But you're stuck with a fixed size. And no upgrade path.

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>quicker to setup
>more convenient pack size and shape

What is the pack size and shape?

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>cheaper (than equivalent flexi stack)

Higher start up cost though (I assume). Therefore a higher initial
commitment is required.

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>slower (this is a significant advantage in buggy racing)

I believe you can quad-line them too.

I can imagine a Peel would be better for buggy racing, but can you use
them for jumping? I wouldn't expect a slower kite to be as suitable
for the normal downwind jumps, though thinking about it it would
probably be better for side jumps and getting dragged about.

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>Hmm...  Perhaps I should join their sales team :-)

Perhaps you could start by giving me an indication of how much they
cost :-)  I'm beginning to feel as if I'm on a slippery slope.

Chris (thinks, perhaps I shouldn't have started this!)
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Flexis & Peels (wasRe: Side Jumps -- How are they done?)

Post by Andrew Beatt » Sat, 10 Jul 1993 22:31:47

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>>A 6.4m Peel probably doesn't give the same max power, but gives it's power
>>round more of the window and is easier to launch and pack away.
>They look like a parapent don't they?

I don't know what a parapent is, but Peels are large, soft with the outline of
a thin elipse.

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>>wider power window
>>much better max-to-min power ratio
>These two mean that the kite will pull even when vertically overhead
>doesn't it? Is this a good thing in all conditions? I've always
>thought that one of the advantages of the Flexi was that you could
>relax and have a rest from time to time. And wouldn't it be a bit
>disconcerting to be lifted vertically off the ground? My 2 sq metre
>Quadrifoil is like this, and that can feel pretty scary in high winds.

Want to relax?  Buy Quick-release handles, park the kite above you and
lie down.  The limit for doing this for me was the 15m^2 peel at about 15mph
on 200' lines.  On a normal peel, you shouldn't have any problem.
The ability to go easily upwind is too valuable to loose.

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>>not stacked - no stack problems
>But you're stuck with a fixed size. And no upgrade path.

Fair point.  There are three standard sizes.  A serious buggyer will probably
end up buying two.  Buy the 5m first, then go up or down depending upon
your experience.  I reckon that a 5m is useful in just about any wind,
particularly if you have a choice of line length.

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>>quicker to setup
>>more convenient pack size and shape
>What is the pack size and shape?

Pack size is probably about 2 litres (perhaps less).  The shape is up to you
(that's the point)

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>>cheaper (than equivalent flexi stack)
>Higher start up cost though (I assume). Therefore a higher initial
>commitment is required.

I don't know about that, a Peel is more expenive than a 10' flexi, but
a single 10' flexi is just about useless.

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>>slower (this is a significant advantage in buggy racing)
>I believe you can quad-line them too.

True, but no-one seems to be doing it.

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>I can imagine a Peel would be better for buggy racing, but can you use
>them for jumping? I wouldn't expect a slower kite to be as suitable
>for the normal downwind jumps, though thinking about it it would
>probably be better for side jumps and getting dragged about.

I only like slow, gentle jumping... they are OK for that.
Distance jumping is governed more by how much strain you are willing/able
to put on your body.

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>Perhaps you could start by giving me an indication of how much they
>cost :-)  I'm beginning to feel as if I'm on a slippery slope.

I'll answer this properly with a price list, but first I'll have to get one...

Andrew
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