What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

Post by Shoo » Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:00:00


I haven't been able to find out exactly what luvly Mayor Rudy has made
verboten:  no kites in Central Park? No kites anywhere?  

Does anybody have the scoop on our Nazi Mayor's anti-kite campaign?

 
 
 

What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

Post by Dave Bov » Tue, 31 Aug 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
(Shoop!) writes:
>Does anybody have the scoop on our Nazi Mayor's anti-kite campaign?

Forget the kites -- he'll have you shot for standing in your own doorway.
David Bovee

 
 
 

What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

Post by Shoo » Wed, 01 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>(Shoop!) writes:

>>Does anybody have the scoop on our Nazi Mayor's anti-kite campaign?

>Forget the kites -- he'll have you shot for standing in your own doorway.
>David Bovee

Fortunately, I am protected from the police by virtue of my white
skin.

-i-

 
 
 

What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

Post by Tony Ch » Thu, 02 Sep 1999 04:00:00

So where exactly can we fly?


Quote:

>(Shoop!) writes:

>>Does anybody have the scoop on our Nazi Mayor's anti-kite campaign?

>Forget the kites -- he'll have you shot for standing in your own doorway.
>David Bovee

 
 
 

What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

Post by Bigpaul » Sat, 04 Sep 1999 04:00:00

The mayor does not have much of a personality. I know that he has a problem
with kites in Brooklyn. If somebody gets hit with a kite in Central park they
would probably sue the city for millions. I will say that Rudy has cleaned up
this place. he has been able to do what no other mayor has. He has gotten all
the *** out of Times Square. He has gotten most of the homeless off the
street. he has gotten rid of the squeegee guys. The subways are clean.
Remember David Dinkins
BigPaul
 
 
 

What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

Post by revc.. » Sat, 04 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>  The mayor does not have much of a personality. I know that he has a problem
>  with kites in Brooklyn. If somebody gets hit with a kite in Central park they
>  would probably sue the city for millions. I will say that Rudy has cleaned up
>  this place. he has been able to do what no other mayor has. He has gotten all
>  the *** out of Times Square. He has gotten most of the homeless off the
>  street. he has gotten rid of the squeegee guys.

He's only moved them to where you don't see them....they still exist, and so the
PROBLEM still exists.

But, 'out of sight, out of mind'...

It's a shame there isn't a kite organization, especially one perhaps on a NAIONAL
level, who could take a PROACTIVE stance in this matter....

June

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Post by Tony Ch » Sat, 04 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I have no problem with the Mayor's improvements in the city, but I do
agree with you about his personality problem.  I just wish that there
was a place for kiters to fly.


Quote:
>The mayor does not have much of a personality. I know that he has a problem
>with kites in Brooklyn. If somebody gets hit with a kite in Central park they
>would probably sue the city for millions. I will say that Rudy has cleaned up
>this place. he has been able to do what no other mayor has. He has gotten all
>the *** out of Times Square. He has gotten most of the homeless off the
>street. he has gotten rid of the squeegee guys. The subways are clean.
>Remember David Dinkins
>BigPaul

 
 
 

What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

Post by Dave Bov » Sun, 05 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
(Bigpaulsi) writes:

WAS: What *is* the deal with New York, anyway

Quote:
>The mayor does not have much of a personality. I know that he has a problem
>with kites in Brooklyn. If somebody gets hit with a kite in Central park they
>would probably sue the city for millions. I will say that Rudy has cleaned up
>this place. he has been able to do what no other mayor has. He has gotten all
>the *** out of Times Square. He has gotten most of the homeless off the
>street. he has gotten rid of the squeegee guys. The subways are clean.
>Remember David Dinkins

Mr. Big --

(fellow rec.kiters:  sorry for the non-kite-related reply, but I can't help it)

The mayor does have much of a personality -- a terrible one.  

As for the danger of kites: if somebody gets hit with a football, or a
baseball, or a frizbee, or a horse with a cop on it, or a bike, or a jogger, in
Central Park, the city could be sued for millions.  Why not just make it
off-limits altogether?  That's the kind of park a city needs -- put a high
fence around it, with barb-wire at the top, and use it as a holding cell for
people suspected of being undesireable.

As for "Rudy cleaning up this place," New Yorkers are almost a bad as
Bostonions when it comes to provincialism.  They are marvelously ignorant of
national trends.  Crime has plunged all over the country, in every big city,
including Detroit, regardless of who is mayor (and under a Democrat -- of sorts
-- as President.)   Every Mayor is taking credit for his own city's crime
plunge, whatever his policies. It's nonesense.

The Mayor of New York is supporting a police program similar to the STRESS
program in Detroit in the early 70s -- Stop The Robberies -- Enjoy Safe
Streets.  I lived in downtown Detroit at the time, and while those STRESS guys
ruled the night, no one was safe.  The idea, really, was to establish a reign
of terror, to keep the all residents inside, so the guys from the suburbs could
feel safer driving in to Anderson's Gardens and the Willis Show Bar to get some
trim.  Crime was not reduced, but twenty or thirty people got killed by STRESS
cops, many of them kids, many unarmed, many shot in the back.  Finally, Ray
Peterson, on off-duty STRESS cop who accounted for nine of the kills, ran some
guy off I-94 in his unmarked car (for cutting him off in traffic) and shot him
dead, claiming the guy emerged from the car and came at him with a knife.   His
partner supported the story.  The crime lab found the knife was full of hairs
from Peterson's cat -- he'd obviously planted the knife.  The partner wasn't
charged as accessory, but Ray was charged with ***, and, in a much-heralded
trial, he got off -- on grounds of temperary insanity, which the defence
claimed was inculcated in him by STRESS training.  The courtroom, full of
STRESS cops also presumably insane, was filled with unholy baying (by way of
celebration)  when the verdect came in.  

Mr. G is running a "decoy" operation like this.  In addition, his general
policy is to arrest people for the hell of it (about 30% go free without being
formally charged, and if you wanna talk lawsuits, they're already being filed
by the hundreds for false arrest), or, if it seems a good idea,  shoot them in
their doorways.  The latest is a hoot -- a crazy guy comes out waving a hammer
(a CLAW hammer, the dumb cops keep saying ominously, as though a ball-peen
hammer or a sledge would have been cute) and whacks a cop on the thigh and the
leg with it (not even using the dreaded CLAW) in the presence of five other
cops, and all they can think of to do is shoot him twelve times.   Can't six
cops take a household hammer away from a 165 lb nut?   Cowards, is what they
are.  And the New Yorkers who cheer them on are cowards, too -- well-dressed
(fashions vary, natch)  white people have nothing to fear -- not yet, anyway --
so why not just sweep the streets of undesirables, rather than take the chance
of getting hurt, or even bummed out.

The guy with the hammer was big -- 6'2', and light -- 165lb, and weak as a cat.
 If he'd attacked me and five of my friends with a hammer and we'd killed him,
we'd all be in jail charged with ***.

So to make this kite-related -- I suggest that all those NY cops making stupid
arrests be sentenced to making and flying a different kite every day for two
weeks in Central Park.  And all those who ram things up the rectum of their
captives be sentenced to three years of daily kite-jumping, over rocks, using a
6-stack of Hyper-12s.  Maybe they can perfect the techniqe, and prove so many
of us on the newsgroup wrong.  And the ones who shoot nuts and loungers for
fear of being bruised, can make and fly a different kite every day in the yard
at a large prison for 20 years.  And Rudy, well -- he can just go fly a kite.

(BTW -- if I've got my facts wrong about the hammer guy, I'd like to hear about
it.  Originally, I figured someone with a hammer might be a legitimate object
of deadly force.  From what I've heard since, he wasn't, but I might have heard
wrong.)    
David Bovee

 
 
 

What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

Post by Tony Ch » Sun, 05 Sep 1999 04:00:00

That the way, boy, git up on dat soapbox, heheh


Quote:

>(Bigpaulsi) writes:

>WAS: What *is* the deal with New York, anyway

>>The mayor does not have much of a personality. I know that he has a problem
>>with kites in Brooklyn. If somebody gets hit with a kite in Central park they
>>would probably sue the city for millions. I will say that Rudy has cleaned up
>>this place. he has been able to do what no other mayor has. He has gotten all
>>the *** out of Times Square. He has gotten most of the homeless off the
>>street. he has gotten rid of the squeegee guys. The subways are clean.
>>Remember David Dinkins

>Mr. Big --

>(fellow rec.kiters:  sorry for the non-kite-related reply, but I can't help it)

>The mayor does have much of a personality -- a terrible one.  

>As for the danger of kites: if somebody gets hit with a football, or a
>baseball, or a frizbee, or a horse with a cop on it, or a bike, or a jogger, in
>Central Park, the city could be sued for millions.  Why not just make it
>off-limits altogether?  That's the kind of park a city needs -- put a high
>fence around it, with barb-wire at the top, and use it as a holding cell for
>people suspected of being undesireable.

>As for "Rudy cleaning up this place," New Yorkers are almost a bad as
>Bostonions when it comes to provincialism.  They are marvelously ignorant of
>national trends.  Crime has plunged all over the country, in every big city,
>including Detroit, regardless of who is mayor (and under a Democrat -- of sorts
>-- as President.)   Every Mayor is taking credit for his own city's crime
>plunge, whatever his policies. It's nonesense.

>The Mayor of New York is supporting a police program similar to the STRESS
>program in Detroit in the early 70s -- Stop The Robberies -- Enjoy Safe
>Streets.  I lived in downtown Detroit at the time, and while those STRESS guys
>ruled the night, no one was safe.  The idea, really, was to establish a reign
>of terror, to keep the all residents inside, so the guys from the suburbs could
>feel safer driving in to Anderson's Gardens and the Willis Show Bar to get some
>trim.  Crime was not reduced, but twenty or thirty people got killed by STRESS
>cops, many of them kids, many unarmed, many shot in the back.  Finally, Ray
>Peterson, on off-duty STRESS cop who accounted for nine of the kills, ran some
>guy off I-94 in his unmarked car (for cutting him off in traffic) and shot him
>dead, claiming the guy emerged from the car and came at him with a knife.   His
>partner supported the story.  The crime lab found the knife was full of hairs
>from Peterson's cat -- he'd obviously planted the knife.  The partner wasn't
>charged as accessory, but Ray was charged with ***, and, in a much-heralded
>trial, he got off -- on grounds of temperary insanity, which the defence
>claimed was inculcated in him by STRESS training.  The courtroom, full of
>STRESS cops also presumably insane, was filled with unholy baying (by way of
>celebration)  when the verdect came in.  

>Mr. G is running a "decoy" operation like this.  In addition, his general
>policy is to arrest people for the hell of it (about 30% go free without being
>formally charged, and if you wanna talk lawsuits, they're already being filed
>by the hundreds for false arrest), or, if it seems a good idea,  shoot them in
>their doorways.  The latest is a hoot -- a crazy guy comes out waving a hammer
>(a CLAW hammer, the dumb cops keep saying ominously, as though a ball-peen
>hammer or a sledge would have been cute) and whacks a cop on the thigh and the
>leg with it (not even using the dreaded CLAW) in the presence of five other
>cops, and all they can think of to do is shoot him twelve times.   Can't six
>cops take a household hammer away from a 165 lb nut?   Cowards, is what they
>are.  And the New Yorkers who cheer them on are cowards, too -- well-dressed
>(fashions vary, natch)  white people have nothing to fear -- not yet, anyway --
>so why not just sweep the streets of undesirables, rather than take the chance
>of getting hurt, or even bummed out.

>The guy with the hammer was big -- 6'2', and light -- 165lb, and weak as a cat.
> If he'd attacked me and five of my friends with a hammer and we'd killed him,
>we'd all be in jail charged with ***.

>So to make this kite-related -- I suggest that all those NY cops making stupid
>arrests be sentenced to making and flying a different kite every day for two
>weeks in Central Park.  And all those who ram things up the rectum of their
>captives be sentenced to three years of daily kite-jumping, over rocks, using a
>6-stack of Hyper-12s.  Maybe they can perfect the techniqe, and prove so many
>of us on the newsgroup wrong.  And the ones who shoot nuts and loungers for
>fear of being bruised, can make and fly a different kite every day in the yard
>at a large prison for 20 years.  And Rudy, well -- he can just go fly a kite.

>(BTW -- if I've got my facts wrong about the hammer guy, I'd like to hear about
>it.  Originally, I figured someone with a hammer might be a legitimate object
>of deadly force.  From what I've heard since, he wasn't, but I might have heard
>wrong.)    
>David Bovee

 
 
 

What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

Post by Mile2kit » Tue, 07 Sep 1999 04:00:00

As for places to fly, I'll see you in Hoboken.  There is a large grass area
there and around 7:00PM the place clears out enough room for two to three
flyers.

I'm there 2-3 week, as are two other Hoboken flyers.  The winds are touch and
go, so be sure to "guage" the wind speeds by looking at the white caps on the
river.  They're a sure sign there is either a strong n-s or s-n breeze rolling
through (save yourself the $1 for the PATH from 33rd or WTC).

See you there.

Andrew Ghezzi

 
 
 

What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

Post by Kurtis Jone » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00

While there is truth in the views of this thread , it looks to  be one of
the classic questions '' ends justify the means '' . Mean while I live in
NJ and drive the highways ( need I say more ) .
    The best place in the to fly , maybe on the east cost is the new
extended area of Liberty State Kite as well as the other areas around the
park.
    The new area in the evening is awesome with a great sunset view,
Statue of Liberty backed by the Verazzano Bridge, Ellis island, and full
view of Manhattan island lighted in pinks and orange of the sunset on a
clear day.
    Wind is good from every direction and best from the south , south
east off the water. I find wind at liberty when there is none any place
else.
 There are rest rooms , free parking , and deli all very near by.
Also home of the Liberty kite fest on 9/18/1999 to 9/19/199 ( I think it
will held by the train station) , you can get a VR  and other pictures of
liberty park at Team Up Go web site.
 And there you have it kite flyers : Liberty and Justice for All , kite
flyers too.
Kurtis

Quote:

> I haven't been able to find out exactly what luvly Mayor Rudy has made
> verboten:  no kites in Central Park? No kites anywhere?

> Does anybody have the scoop on our Nazi Mayor's anti-kite campaign?

 
 
 

What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

Post by Tony Che » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00

So where does one fly in New York?

  While there is truth in the views of this thread , it looks to  be one of the classic questions '' ends justify the means '' . Mean while I live in NJ and drive the highways ( need I say more ) .
      The best place in the to fly , maybe on the east cost is the new extended area of Liberty State Kite as well as the other areas around the park.
      The new area in the evening is awesome with a great sunset view, Statue of Liberty backed by the Verazzano Bridge, Ellis island, and full view of Manhattan island lighted in pinks and orange of the sunset on a clear day.
      Wind is good from every direction and best from the south , south east off the water. I find wind at liberty when there is none any place else.
   There are rest rooms , free parking , and deli all very near by.
  Also home of the Liberty kite fest on 9/18/1999 to 9/19/199 ( I think it will held by the train station) , you can get a VR  and other pictures of liberty park at Team Up Go web site.
   And there you have it kite flyers : Liberty and Justice for All , kite flyers too.
  Kurtis
    I haven't been able to find out exactly what luvly Mayor Rudy has made
    verboten:  no kites in Central Park? No kites anywhere?
    Does anybody have the scoop on our Nazi Mayor's anti-kite campaign?

 
 
 

What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

Post by davi » Thu, 23 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> So where does one fly in New York?

I think that most of you are forgetting that Brooklyn has one of the
largest Beaches around.
The beach at Coney Island is a great place to fly. The beach is very
wide and long, and this time of year quite empty of bathers. Even in
the summer there was  still enough room to fly between the boardwalk
and the beach blankets closer to the water. The spot that I and some
other folks go to is between E15 & E16 street. And Nathans is nearby.
The best hotdogs in the city

Coney Island is accessible via the subway via the B, D, F, or N to the
Stillwell Ave stop.

As for our Mayor, The Rudy.... He does not discriminate. He is rude to
everyone without regard to Race, religion, or pastime.

See you on the beach

David Klein

 
 
 

What *is* the deal with New York, anyway?

Post by MABujo » Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Poor Guiliani, he has "Rude" for a first name.  Such a curmudgeon.

Also, Gateway Park on Staten Island, near the marina.  There is a large field
between the ocean and the cove, across the street from the ranger's station.
I've been there a few times, no one else was using it and there is lots of
room.

Marcia Bujold
Michael