Don't buy Rossi's

Don't buy Rossi's

Post by Ted J Wiegan » Sat, 12 Nov 1994 01:53:56


Well it is buying time again and I thought I'd just pass on some
info.  I broke two pair of rossi 7XK's last yaer and rossi
screwed me over on both pair.  The first pair broke at Crested
Butte over turkey day break.  The core of the ski completely
dissintigrated between the bindings.  The skis were only 9
months old(under waranty) and rossi refused to cover them saying
I must have abused them in order to break them.  I had to pay
$205 that I didn't have to get a new pair.  And this was only
after 5 weeks of arguing and missed skiing.  The new pair broke
the exact same way on my third day of midwest skiing.  All rossi
would do is remate the unbroken ski.  
I work in a ski shop and this is how they treat me.  Just think
of how they will treat you.  I have friends in the east and in
the Rockies who have had similar problems.  So save yourself a
big headache and buy a different brand of skis.

PS  I have a pair of 208 7XK's for sale for kindling if anyone
needs then.  I don't know how well foam core burns though.

Ted Wiegandt

--
Ted J Wiegandt

 
 
 

Don't buy Rossi's

Post by John Oxl » Sat, 12 Nov 1994 03:37:00


Quote:

> Well it is buying time again and I thought I'd just pass on some
> info.  I broke two pair of rossi 7XK's last yaer and rossi
> screwed me over on both pair.  The first pair broke at Crested
> Butte over turkey day break.  The core of the ski completely
> dissintigrated between the bindings.  The skis were only 9
> months old(under waranty) and rossi refused to cover them saying
> I must have abused them in order to break them.  I had to pay
> $205 that I didn't have to get a new pair.  And this was only
> after 5 weeks of arguing and missed skiing.  The new pair broke
> the exact same way on my third day of midwest skiing.  All rossi
> would do is remate the unbroken ski.  
> I work in a ski shop and this is how they treat me.  Just think
> of how they will treat you.  I have friends in the east and in
> the Rockies who have had similar problems.  So save yourself a
> big headache and buy a different brand of skis.

> PS  I have a pair of 208 7XK's for sale for kindling if anyone
> needs then.  I don't know how well foam core burns though.

> Ted Wiegandt

Hey Tom,
  Do you think it might have been a defective batch of skiis that you
bought from.  I am planning on buying a pair of the 7SKs  as I really
enjoyed them when I demoed them.  Ideas?

John Oxley


 
 
 

Don't buy Rossi's

Post by Dave Dorfman - New England » Sat, 12 Nov 1994 23:40:21


;>
;>Well it is buying time again and I thought I'd just pass on some
;>info.  I broke two pair of rossi 7XK's last yaer and rossi
;>screwed me over on both pair.  The first pair broke at Crested
;>Butte over turkey day break.  The core of the ski completely
;>dissintigrated between the bindings.  The skis were only 9
;>months old(under waranty) and rossi refused to cover them saying
;>I must have abused them in order to break them.  I had to pay
;>$205 that I didn't have to get a new pair.  And this was only
;>after 5 weeks of arguing and missed skiing.  The new pair broke
;>the exact same way on my third day of midwest skiing.  All rossi
;>would do is remate the unbroken ski.  
;>I work in a ski shop and this is how they treat me.  Just think
;>of how they will treat you.  I have friends in the east and in
;>the Rockies who have had similar problems.  So save yourself a
;>big headache and buy a different brand of skis.
;>

Compare the above story to how I have been treated by ATOMIC. I have been skiing
on ATOMIC's for over 10 years during that time they have replaced or matched 6
pairs of skiis for a sum total of 75.00. Their support is great and timely and
they never question you on what you think happened to the ski.  During this
same period I have purchased or been given 6 new pairs of skiis. I am sure they
are still making money even giving me the 2 for 1 specials.

I am 6'2" tall and weigh 215 so I am *** Skiis and I would never try any
other ski then ATOMIC due to the loyalty they have shown to me as a customer.

Dave Dorfman

 
 
 

Don't buy Rossi's

Post by Martin Pietrusz » Sun, 13 Nov 1994 03:57:52


|>
|> Well it is buying time again and I thought I'd just pass on some
|> info.  I broke two pair of rossi 7XK's last yaer and rossi
|> screwed me over on both pair.  The first pair broke at Crested
|> Butte over turkey day break.  The core of the ski completely
|> dissintigrated between the bindings.  The skis were only 9
|> months old(under waranty) and rossi refused to cover them saying
|> I must have abused them in order to break them.  I had to pay
|> $205 that I didn't have to get a new pair.  And this was only
|> after 5 weeks of arguing and missed skiing.  The new pair broke
|> the exact same way on my third day of midwest skiing.  All rossi
|> would do is remate the unbroken ski.  
|> I work in a ski shop and this is how they treat me.  Just think
|> of how they will treat you.  I have friends in the east and in
|> the Rockies who have had similar problems.  So save yourself a
|> big headache and buy a different brand of skis.
|>
|> PS  I have a pair of 208 7XK's for sale for kindling if anyone
|> needs then.  I don't know how well foam core burns though.
|>
|> Ted Wiegandt
|>
|>
|> --
|> Ted J Wiegandt

A similar thing happened to a friend of mine last year.  His binding came
right out of one of his Rossignol skis (also 7XK's I believe) while he was
in the bumps.  Sounds to me like the area under the boot is pretty weak.

--
Marty Pietruszka

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Don't buy Rossi's

Post by Xavier Mart » Sun, 13 Nov 1994 05:37:04

Allow me to play devil's advocate in this Rossi thread.

All other things equal, I'd rather have skis that ski well where they are
supposed to and also do well in the bumps.  That said, the 7XK is a giant
slalom ski.  Designed to give lateral stability at moderate to high speeds
and to allow smooth medium radius turns.  _Not_ intended primarily as a
bumps ski, though so much the better if it holds well there.  Ever tried
downhill or super G skis in the bumps?  You get the idea.  If bump is
going to be your main fare, why buy a giant slalom racing ski in the
first place?

I am light and like a stable GS ski.  The 7XK gives me that feature
more than any of the alternatives discussed so far.  More than any other
ski I know, in fact.  Now when the racing is over I don't take my racing
skis into the bumps.  They are not designed for that.

There's a tradeoff in everything.
--
---------------------------  Xavier Martin  ---------------------------
Ph.D. Forum - Michigan Business School - Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1234 USA

 
 
 

Don't buy Rossi's

Post by Patrick Cha » Sun, 13 Nov 1994 00:41:26


|> > Well it is buying time again and I thought I'd just pass on some
|> > info.  I broke two pair of rossi 7XK's last yaer and rossi
|> > screwed me over on both pair.  The first pair broke at Crested
|> > Butte over turkey day break.  The core of the ski completely
|> > dissintigrated between the bindings.  The skis were only 9
|> > months old(under waranty) and rossi refused to cover them saying
|> > I must have abused them in order to break them.  I had to pay
|> > $205 that I didn't have to get a new pair.  And this was only
|> > after 5 weeks of arguing and missed skiing.  The new pair broke
|> > the exact same way on my third day of midwest skiing.  All rossi
|> > would do is remate the unbroken ski.  
|>
|> Hey Tom,
|>   Do you think it might have been a defective batch of skiis that you
|> bought from.  I am planning on buying a pair of the 7SKs  as I really
|> enjoyed them when I demoed them.  Ideas?

From my own experience, Rossi skis are a bad call if you're a heavy,
aggressive skier. A lot of people, including myself, have had problems
with binding toepieces pulling out of Rossis. In addition, they're foam
core skis - a heavy skier riding them hard will cause the core to break
down, often in as little as a season (in the case of my old 4Ms and 7Ms).
The result is loss of flex and camber. If you're big and you use your skis
hard get a good wood-core design, like a K2.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Don't buy Rossi's

Post by Cyrus H » Sun, 13 Nov 1994 09:26:43

Quote:
Ted J Wiegandt writes:
>Well it is buying time again and I thought I'd just pass on some
>info.  I broke two pair of rossi 7XK's last yaer and rossi
>screwed me over on both pair.  The first pair broke at Crested
>Butte over turkey day break.  The core of the ski completely
>dissintigrated between the bindings.  The skis were only 9
>months old(under waranty) and rossi refused to cover them saying
>I must have abused them in order to break them.  I had to pay
>$205 that I didn't have to get a new pair.  And this was only
>after 5 weeks of arguing and missed skiing.  The new pair broke
>the exact same way on my third day of midwest skiing.  All rossi
>would do is remate the unbroken ski.  

Yeah, I don't think I'll be buying Rossignol (skis, at least) any
time soon.  My personal experience is that they are not a very
durable ski - lots of problems keeping my 7Ss together last year.
Still I got ~80 days on them before they needed to be retired, which
I consider to be at the bottom end of the acceptable range.

Several friends have had more blatant problems with their Rossis.
Like an edge and base collapsing into the core after nicking a rock
at low speed within the first minute that these 4SVs were skied on
(at least the store was nice and replaced them no charge.)

Quote:
>I work in a ski shop and this is how they treat me.  Just think
>of how they will treat you.  I have friends in the east and in
>the Rockies who have had similar problems.  So save yourself a
>big headache and buy a different brand of skis.

Working in a shop I'm surprised that you would seriously consider
Rossis.  Good discount from the rep, I guess.

Ski manufacturers love to tout every whizzy feature of their ski yet
rarely mention the material their core is made from.  I was glad to
see that POWDER indicated the core type on every ski they reviewed
this year.  Is it a coincidence that Rossignol is the _only_ major
manufacturer who is still making their entire line of skis with foam
cores?  Yep, everyone else is producing wood core (or something
besides foam) for at least their higher-end skis.

As other posters have replied, Atomic and K2 have a good long-term
reliability record and, from the anecdotes I've heard, both stand by
their products.  I read something (I think in the WSJ) about how K2
was bending over backwards on customer service in order to push
themselves into the #1 sales position.

Quote:
And John Oxley writes:
>  Do you think it might have been a defective batch of skiis that you
>bought from.  I am planning on buying a pair of the 7SKs  as I really
>enjoyed them when I demoed them.  Ideas?
And Xavier Martin writes:
>All other things equal, I'd rather have skis that ski well where they are
>supposed to and also do well in the bumps.  That said, the 7XK is a giant
>slalom ski.
>:
>:
>Now when the racing is over I don't take my racing
>skis into the bumps.  They are not designed for that.

Hey guys - nobody is claiming that Rossis aren't a good performing ski.
They are.  They just aren't very reliable/durable.

Quote:
>There's a tradeoff in everything.

Wrong.  You CAN make a durable ski, SL, GS, whatever without trading
off performance.  Of course, making better skis usually costs the
manufacture more, BUT over the long term it costs you less because
you don't need to buy a new pair of skis every other season.

Reliability is probably the most overlooked, underrated feature
of skis today.  It is also one of the biggest differentiators.

Ciao.

                                 -Cy

 
 
 

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Post by Peter Hoegel J » Sun, 13 Nov 1994 04:59:30

Quote:

>Wrong.  You CAN make a durable ski, SL, GS, whatever without trading
>off performance.  Of course, making better skis usually costs the
>manufacture more, BUT over the long term it costs you less because
>you don't need to buy a new pair of skis every other season.
>Reliability is probably the most overlooked, underrated feature
>of skis today.  It is also one of the biggest differentiators.

Excellent point (and the reason I'm *very* hesitant to buy a non-wood or steel
core ski).  Unfortunately, it's a quality that's almost impossible for a
magazine to measure, particularly when the press stesses skis that are the
absolute latest models.  Maybe long-term tests could be done on some popular
makes, just like car mags do.

Peter

____________________

Peter Hoegel Jr.

"I'm just another western guy, with desires I can't satisfy. . . ."
-Matt Johnson

 
 
 

Don't buy Rossi's

Post by Dann » Sun, 13 Nov 1994 12:50:49


Quote:
>From my own experience, Rossi skis are a bad call if you're a heavy,
>aggressive skier. A lot of people, including myself, have had problems
>with binding toepieces pulling out of Rossis. In addition, they're foam
>core skis - a heavy skier riding them hard will cause the core to break
>down, often in as little as a season (in the case of my old 4Ms and 7Ms).
>The result is loss of flex and camber. If you're big and you use your skis
>hard get a good wood-core design, like a K2.

I guess Alberto Tomba is really very lightweight, and pampers his skis..NOT!
I don't know what kind of Rossi you're talking about, but the XK's are
the best in the market. and please, the XK is in a different league
than any of your K2's ... don't compare them.

Danny.

.

 
 
 

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Post by Fernando Perei » Mon, 14 Nov 1994 04:29:30


: >From my own experience, Rossi skis are a bad call if you're a heavy,
: >aggressive skier. A lot of people, including myself, have had problems
: >with binding toepieces pulling out of Rossis. In addition, they're foam
: >core skis - a heavy skier riding them hard will cause the core to break
: >down, often in as little as a season (in the case of my old 4Ms and 7Ms).
: >The result is loss of flex and camber. If you're big and you use your skis
: >hard get a good wood-core design, like a K2.

: I guess Alberto Tomba is really very lightweight, and pampers his skis..NOT!
: I don't know what kind of Rossi you're talking about, but the XK's are
: the best in the market. and please, the XK is in a different league
: than any of your K2's ... don't compare them.
Sure, but I somehow doubt that he needs to worry about the durability
of his skis. He can ride them harder than anyone, a new pair (or
several) will probably be ready for him for the next one, unless
Rossi's marketing department is totally incompetent.

--
Fernando Pereira
2D-447, AT&T Bell Laboratories
600 Mountain Ave, PO Box 636
Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636

 
 
 

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Post by Hugh Griers » Mon, 14 Nov 1994 06:49:57

Quote:

>>From my own experience, Rossi skis are a bad call if you're a heavy,
>>aggressive skier. [...]  In addition, they're foam
>>core skis - a heavy skier riding them hard will cause the core to break
>>down, often in as little as a season (in the case of my old 4Ms and 7Ms).
...
>I guess Alberto Tomba is really very lightweight, and pampers his skis..NOT!

Tomba skis on wood core race stock skis.  Different things altogether.

--

 
 
 

Don't buy Rossi's

Post by Stuart Lawrence Friedm » Tue, 15 Nov 1994 06:28:08

Quote:

>I guess Alberto Tomba is really very lightweight, and pampers his skis..NOT!
>I don't know what kind of Rossi you're talking about, but the XK's are
>the best in the market. and please, the XK is in a different league
>than any of your K2's ... don't compare them.

If you think Alberto Tomba skiis on anything remotely related to a Rossi
that you can buy in a ski shop, you are sadly mistaken.

stuart.

Quote:
>Danny.

>.

 
 
 

Don't buy Rossi's

Post by Andy Mas » Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:06:52

Quote:
> In general, it's not a smart call to buy a given ski because a top competitor
> uses the "exact same ski". The odds are very high that they don't use anything
> even close. Also, unless you're near that competitor's level of strength and

This is half true in the case of Dynastar, in fact their top four
racers (Moe, Girardelli, Aamodt, some other guy) have their own skis
made, with different flex, etc.  But the Vertical ***'s that
Jean-Luc won on are the EXACT same ones that you can buy in yer local
shop.

Andy.