Fischer Centrix S9000 Boots -- 100 day review.

Fischer Centrix S9000 Boots -- 100 day review.

Post by Marsh Jone » Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:31:56


Boy, the Centrix system seems to be a love 'em or hate 'em system.  I'm
still on the love 'em side, but I've modified the heck out of them to
get there.  To date,I've skied or rollerskied about 40-50 times in them,
and feel like I've gotten some level of appreciation for them.
THE BAD:  I hate the laces.  Tightening them enough for me meant
stopping after 5K and re-tieing.  I was going to try waxed hockey laces,
but decided another route.
The factory insole isn't going to fit a lot of people
If the tape lacing isn't installed perfectly, the lace that crosses
underfoot will pull on your arch
They are a bit heavy
The square nose can make it a bit more difficult to clip into Pilot
bindings.

The first thing to do are to trash the factory insole in favor of
something like a Superfeet insole or the one out of your favorite
running shoes or old ski boots.  A lot of getting these to fit right is
filling up the volume while still providing the right kind of support
for your feet. Make sure it has a firm bottom or the tape lacing will
pull too tightly and kill your arch.  The factory insole isn't really
that high arched, but the soft bottom means that the tape lace affects
the underfoot tension.
   I've got feet that actually fit Carbon's really well, but I liked the
Centrix concept and have tweaked them to fit my feet.  To date, I've:
-replaced the factory insole with Superfeet 'green'.
-added a thin pad under it to fill up some volume.
-Added a little moleskin between the shell and liner to tighten up the heel

  MUCH BETTER.

THE GOOD:
I feel like I get better stability  at speed than with my Carbons or the
Xiums I had.
I can wear them in sub-zero weather without my toes freezing off.
They really work well in forcing the knee forward position, and allowing
ankle flex.
Price point is far more acceptible than the Carbons.  I can buy a nugget
of FC1 for the difference.

The verdict: B+. I'll keep them, but I'll keep my Carbons too.  I'd like
to see if Eli and Fischer can get some of these things fixed by next
season, particularly the lacing.

Marsh Jones
Team ActiveElite
(not sponsored by Fischer or any other ski vendor).

 
 
 

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Post by FITZGERAL » Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:19:14

 I really wish Eli would chime in here. As I understand it,these boots are
his baby and there seems to be a love it or leave it feeling for them.
Sticking with my Carbons so far even though I have issues with them. Can't
keep the GD laces tight. I'll bet I stop 3 or 4 times to re-tighten them in
a 2 hour skate. PITA not to mention my feet get cold.
Fitzgerald

Quote:
> Boy, the Centrix system seems to be a love 'em or hate 'em system.  I'm
> still on the love 'em side, but I've modified the heck out of them to get
> there.  To date,I've skied or rollerskied about 40-50 times in them, and
> feel like I've gotten some level of appreciation for them.
> THE BAD:  I hate the laces.  Tightening them enough for me meant stopping
> after 5K and re-tieing.  I was going to try waxed hockey laces, but
> decided another route.
> The factory insole isn't going to fit a lot of people
> If the tape lacing isn't installed perfectly, the lace that crosses
> underfoot will pull on your arch
> They are a bit heavy
> The square nose can make it a bit more difficult to clip into Pilot
> bindings.

> The first thing to do are to trash the factory insole in favor of
> something like a Superfeet insole or the one out of your favorite running
> shoes or old ski boots.  A lot of getting these to fit right is filling up
> the volume while still providing the right kind of support for your feet.
> Make sure it has a firm bottom or the tape lacing will pull too tightly
> and kill your arch.  The factory insole isn't really that high arched, but
> the soft bottom means that the tape lace affects the underfoot tension.
>   I've got feet that actually fit Carbon's really well, but I liked the
> Centrix concept and have tweaked them to fit my feet.  To date, I've:
> -replaced the factory insole with Superfeet 'green'.
> -added a thin pad under it to fill up some volume.
> -Added a little moleskin between the shell and liner to tighten up the
> heel

> MUCH BETTER.

> THE GOOD:
> I feel like I get better stability  at speed than with my Carbons or the
> Xiums I had.
> I can wear them in sub-zero weather without my toes freezing off.
> They really work well in forcing the knee forward position, and allowing
> ankle flex.
> Price point is far more acceptible than the Carbons.  I can buy a nugget
> of FC1 for the difference.

> The verdict: B+. I'll keep them, but I'll keep my Carbons too.  I'd like
> to see if Eli and Fischer can get some of these things fixed by next
> season, particularly the lacing.

> Marsh Jones
> Team ActiveElite
> (not sponsored by Fischer or any other ski vendor).


 
 
 

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Post by FITZGERAL » Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:25:51

Follow up to my own follow up.
When posting about Centrix could you please advise type of foot you have?
High arch,low arch, low volume or high please.What boots have worked for you
in the past right out of the box etc.
Fitzgerald

Quote:
> Boy, the Centrix system seems to be a love 'em or hate 'em system.  I'm
> still on the love 'em side, but I've modified the heck out of them to get
> there.  To date,I've skied or rollerskied about 40-50 times in them, and
> feel like I've gotten some level of appreciation for them.
> THE BAD:  I hate the laces.  Tightening them enough for me meant stopping
> after 5K and re-tieing.  I was going to try waxed hockey laces, but
> decided another route.
> The factory insole isn't going to fit a lot of people
> If the tape lacing isn't installed perfectly, the lace that crosses
> underfoot will pull on your arch
> They are a bit heavy
> The square nose can make it a bit more difficult to clip into Pilot
> bindings.

> The first thing to do are to trash the factory insole in favor of
> something like a Superfeet insole or the one out of your favorite running
> shoes or old ski boots.  A lot of getting these to fit right is filling up
> the volume while still providing the right kind of support for your feet.
> Make sure it has a firm bottom or the tape lacing will pull too tightly
> and kill your arch.  The factory insole isn't really that high arched, but
> the soft bottom means that the tape lace affects the underfoot tension.
>   I've got feet that actually fit Carbon's really well, but I liked the
> Centrix concept and have tweaked them to fit my feet.  To date, I've:
> -replaced the factory insole with Superfeet 'green'.
> -added a thin pad under it to fill up some volume.
> -Added a little moleskin between the shell and liner to tighten up the
> heel

> MUCH BETTER.

> THE GOOD:
> I feel like I get better stability  at speed than with my Carbons or the
> Xiums I had.
> I can wear them in sub-zero weather without my toes freezing off.
> They really work well in forcing the knee forward position, and allowing
> ankle flex.
> Price point is far more acceptible than the Carbons.  I can buy a nugget
> of FC1 for the difference.

> The verdict: B+. I'll keep them, but I'll keep my Carbons too.  I'd like
> to see if Eli and Fischer can get some of these things fixed by next
> season, particularly the lacing.

> Marsh Jones
> Team ActiveElite
> (not sponsored by Fischer or any other ski vendor).


 
 
 

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Post by Marsh Jone » Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:20:40

Quote:

> Follow up to my own follow up.
> When posting about Centrix could you please advise type of foot you have?
> High arch,low arch, low volume or high please.What boots have worked for you
> in the past right out of the box etc.
> Fitzgerald

Good point.  I've got a fairly low volume, D fore-foot, B heel, Morton's
toe, moderate arch.  Carbon's fit me very well, so I'm an exception to
the general rule.

In running shoes, Adidas generally fit me better than most.  Nike's are
too big in the heel, and NB's just slop around.

Marsh

 
 
 

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Post by FrontRunne » Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:45:32

Try wrapping the excess laces around the laces below the plastic tightener
after you have pulled the laces tight.  Works like a charm.

The FrontRunner

Quote:
> I really wish Eli would chime in here. As I understand it,these boots are
> his baby and there seems to be a love it or leave it feeling for them.
> Sticking with my Carbons so far even though I have issues with them. Can't
> keep the GD laces tight. I'll bet I stop 3 or 4 times to re-tighten them
in
> a 2 hour skate. PITA not to mention my feet get cold.
> Fitzgerald


> > Boy, the Centrix system seems to be a love 'em or hate 'em system.  I'm
> > still on the love 'em side, but I've modified the heck out of them to
get
> > there.  To date,I've skied or rollerskied about 40-50 times in them, and
> > feel like I've gotten some level of appreciation for them.
> > THE BAD:  I hate the laces.  Tightening them enough for me meant
stopping
> > after 5K and re-tieing.  I was going to try waxed hockey laces, but
> > decided another route.
> > The factory insole isn't going to fit a lot of people
> > If the tape lacing isn't installed perfectly, the lace that crosses
> > underfoot will pull on your arch
> > They are a bit heavy
> > The square nose can make it a bit more difficult to clip into Pilot
> > bindings.

> > The first thing to do are to trash the factory insole in favor of
> > something like a Superfeet insole or the one out of your favorite
running
> > shoes or old ski boots.  A lot of getting these to fit right is filling
up
> > the volume while still providing the right kind of support for your
feet.
> > Make sure it has a firm bottom or the tape lacing will pull too tightly
> > and kill your arch.  The factory insole isn't really that high arched,
but
> > the soft bottom means that the tape lace affects the underfoot tension.
> >   I've got feet that actually fit Carbon's really well, but I liked the
> > Centrix concept and have tweaked them to fit my feet.  To date, I've:
> > -replaced the factory insole with Superfeet 'green'.
> > -added a thin pad under it to fill up some volume.
> > -Added a little moleskin between the shell and liner to tighten up the
> > heel

> > MUCH BETTER.

> > THE GOOD:
> > I feel like I get better stability  at speed than with my Carbons or the
> > Xiums I had.
> > I can wear them in sub-zero weather without my toes freezing off.
> > They really work well in forcing the knee forward position, and allowing
> > ankle flex.
> > Price point is far more acceptible than the Carbons.  I can buy a nugget
> > of FC1 for the difference.

> > The verdict: B+. I'll keep them, but I'll keep my Carbons too.  I'd like
> > to see if Eli and Fischer can get some of these things fixed by next
> > season, particularly the lacing.

> > Marsh Jones
> > Team ActiveElite
> > (not sponsored by Fischer or any other ski vendor).

 
 
 

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Post by jay_tege.. » Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:30:02

Quote:

> Follow up to my own follow up.
> When posting about Centrix could you please advise type of foot you
have?
> High arch,low arch, low volume or high please.What boots have worked
for you
> in the past right out of the box etc.

I love my Fischer boots. In fact they're the best boots I've ever had
other than some old Karhu Combi boots from 1992. I've got flat feet and
mortons toe. My left foot is an E and my right foot is a D. I had to
have the left boot widened in the forebody to fit my foot. As for the
high arch in the boots, I think they could have toned it down a bit.
However, the high arch in the boot seems to have conformed to my flat
foot. I don't have a problem with it. I skated for three hours one week
ago using my Fischer skate boots and had no problems. My normal shoe
size is a U S 11. My Fischers are size 45. I could ski these boots
without laces by just zipping them up. I hate boots with high ***
that go over the ankle. I find them too restrictive. That's one of the
reasons I like the Fischer boots.
Jay Tegeder
"Keep training, lycra never lies!" JT
 
 
 

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Post by Paul » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:11:22

How do you get the factory insole out?  I am ready to throw my new
centrix boots in the garbage.

Paul Beeksma.

 
 
 

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Post by Marsh Jone » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:34:20

Quote:

> How do you get the factory insole out?  I am ready to throw my new
> centrix boots in the garbage.

> Paul Beeksma.

Paul,

Just get a fingernail or maybe a butterknife under the edge of it and
lift.  It's a pretty tight fit, but they should come right out.

Marsh

 
 
 

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Post by Cloutier J » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:09:41

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For what it is worth, I love my boots.  I did notice the arch initially on my first skate.  After using it once though, the highness of the arch seemed to 'pat' down.  Now it is a very comfortable boot.  

Not thrilled about the lacing but it has really not been a factor.

Jim

How do you get the factory insole out? I am ready to throw my new
centrix boots in the garbage.

Paul Beeksma.

Cloutier Concept & Design
13629 46th Street NE
St. Michael, MN  55376
(c) 612.386.3346
www.cc-d.com

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Post by Marsh Jone » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:03:24

Quote:

>>>>>>Marsh Jones writes:


>    Marsh> laces. MUCH BETTER.

> Where can one buy a set of the Salomon laces?

Finn Sisu has some, I think.  I expect most of the top-line ski shops
also have replacements - about $15.
 
 
 

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Post by Gene Goldenfel » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:22:09

Did someone on an earlier thread suggest that the sense of "high arch"
is actually that cross strap in the mid sole?  I think for most people
it's not so much love or hate, but do they fit or not.  They have a wide
last pretty much from heel to toe, which one's foot either fits
throughout or doesn't.  If the idea is to have one's foot and boot feel
like one with the ski, then slack or looseness is counterproductive,
other design benefits notwithstanding.
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> For what it is worth, I love my boots.  I did notice the arch initially on my first skate.  After using it once though, the highness of the arch seemed to 'pat' down.  Now it is a very comfortable boot.

> Not thrilled about the lacing but it has really not been a factor.

> Jim


> How do you get the factory insole out? I am ready to throw my new
> centrix boots in the garbage.

> Paul Beeksma.

> Cloutier Concept & Design
> 13629 46th Street NE
> St. Michael, MN  55376
> (c) 612.386.3346
> www.cc-d.com

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> - General George S. Patton (1885-1945)

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> <DIV>For what it is worth, I love my boots.&nbsp; I did notice the arch initially on my first skate.&nbsp; After using it once though, the highness of the arch seemed to 'pat' down.&nbsp; Now it is a very comfortable boot.&nbsp; </DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Not thrilled about the lacing but it has really not been a factor.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>

> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">How do you get the factory insole out? I am ready to throw my new<BR>centrix boots in the garbage.<BR><BR>Paul Beeksma.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><P><FONT face=arial><FONT size=1><FONT color=#800000><STRONG>Cloutier Concept &amp; Design<BR>13629 46th Street NE<BR>St. Michael, MN&nbsp; 55376</STRONG></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=arial><FONT size=1><FONT color=#800000><STRONG><BR>(c) 612.386.3346<BR></STRONG><A href="http://www.cc-d.com/" target=_blank><STRONG><FONT color=#003399>www.cc-d.com</FONT></STRONG></A></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
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Post by Marsh Jone » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:24:32

Quote:

> Did someone on an earlier thread suggest that the sense of "high arch"
> is actually that cross strap in the mid sole?  I think for most people
> it's not so much love or hate, but do they fit or not.  They have a wide
> last pretty much from heel to toe, which one's foot either fits
> throughout or doesn't.  If the idea is to have one's foot and boot feel
> like one with the ski, then slack or looseness is counterproductive,
> other design benefits notwithstanding.

Gene,

I did suggest that the tape lace that passes under the arch can
contribute to the sense of high arch if you tighten them up snug.  The
first pair I had, the tape lace was actually slightly tight and didn't
stay on the sole.  They were definitely too tight.  The pair I have now
are just fine in that regard.  I can definitely tell if they are too
tight when I start, though.

Marsh

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>>For what it is worth, I love my boots.  I did notice the arch initially on my first skate.  After using it once though, the highness of the arch seemed to 'pat' down.  Now it is a very comfortable boot.

>>Not thrilled about the lacing but it has really not been a factor.

>>Jim


>>How do you get the factory insole out? I am ready to throw my new
>>centrix boots in the garbage.

>>Paul Beeksma.

>>Cloutier Concept & Design
>>13629 46th Street NE
>>St. Michael, MN  55376
>>(c) 612.386.3346
>>www.cc-d.com

>>"If a man does his best, what else is there?"
>>- General George S. Patton (1885-1945)

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>><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
>><DIV>Not thrilled about the lacing but it has really not been a factor.</DIV>
>><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>

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Post by Bjorn A. Payne Dia » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:32:51

Quote:

> I really wish Eli would chime in here. As I understand it,these boots
are
> his baby and there seems to be a love it or leave it feeling for

them.

My guess is Eli is at Nationals. My feeling is Eli traveled a lot last
year, and he's traveling more this year. When he gets back from
traveling, he has a 1000 emails, so surfing the ng, well, I doubt it.

My second guess is that next year Fischer will have a couple of changes
for the boot including a quick lacing feature, but on the other hand,
if you go with plain old shoe laces, they don't slide well, and that
offers the ability to tighten one portion of the boot more than another
portion. I kind of like that. As a quick fix, purchasing Salomon quick
laces sounds pretty ingenious.

Each set of boot I purchase requires a bunch of modifications. In fact,
I just removed some arch support from two pair about a week ago. I
think I finally have those boots dialed in.

Jay Wenner

 
 
 

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Post by Paul » Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:15:24

I appreciate the input.  I was able to wear these boots with some
cheap, flat insoles.  Now I feel like I can continue to fine tune the
fit, and maybe get some use out of the boots.
 
 
 

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Post by FITZGERAL » Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:39:55

What type of foot do you have?
Fitzgerald

Quote:
>I appreciate the input.  I was able to wear these boots with some
> cheap, flat insoles.  Now I feel like I can continue to fine tune the
> fit, and maybe get some use out of the boots.