Wet Snow

Wet Snow

Post by Neil » Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:49:24


Wet snow, fluffy or soft, air temperature at or above 32f/0c. What are the
recommendations for wax, both red and blue that include 32f/0c ball up. It
seems to leave only glide wax any suggestions.
Neil
 
 
 

Wet Snow

Post by terje.mathisen at tmsw.n » Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:12:15

Quote:

> Wet snow, fluffy or soft, air temperature at or above 32f/0c. What are
> the recommendations for wax, both red and blue that include 32f/0c ball
> up. It seems to leave only glide wax any suggestions.

You're pretty much describing the conditions "Zero" skis were made for,
i.e. with a rubbed central area and no grip wax.

Terje

--
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

 
 
 

Wet Snow

Post by Neil » Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:25:26

fish scales?

Quote:


> Wet snow, fluffy or soft, air temperature at or above 32f/0c. What are
> the recommendations for wax, both red and blue that include 32f/0c ball
> up. It seems to leave only glide wax any suggestions.

You're pretty much describing the conditions "Zero" skis were made for,
i.e. with a rubbed central area and no grip wax.

Terje

--
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

 
 
 

Wet Snow

Post by terje.mathisen at tmsw.n » Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:31:06

Quote:

> fish scales?

No, no!

Fish scales were the original attempt to make "waxless" skis, they have
never worked and I still cringe when I hear a tourist coming (very
slowly!) down the tracks in -5C or colder, with that
"DRRRRRRRRRRRRRR..." sound.

Terje

Quote:



>> Wet snow, fluffy or soft, air temperature at or above 32f/0c. What are
>> the recommendations for wax, both red and blue that include 32f/0c ball
>> up. It seems to leave only glide wax any suggestions.

> You're pretty much describing the conditions "Zero" skis were made for,
> i.e. with a rubbed central area and no grip wax.

> Terje

--
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"
 
 
 

Wet Snow

Post by gr » Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:56:44


Quote:

>> fish scales?

> No, no!

> Fish scales were the original attempt to make "waxless" skis, they have
> never worked and I still cringe when I hear a tourist coming (very
> slowly!) down the tracks in -5C or colder, with that
> "DRRRRRRRRRRRRRR..." sound.

> Terje




>>> Wet snow, fluffy or soft, air temperature at or above 32f/0c. What are
>>> the recommendations for wax, both red and blue that include 32f/0c ball
>>> up. It seems to leave only glide wax any suggestions.

>> You're pretty much describing the conditions "Zero" skis were made for,
>> i.e. with a rubbed central area and no grip wax.

>> Terje

> If you use fishscale skis a lot as rock skis (5 years or more) the noise

  decreases dramatically, the glide improves and

the grip becomes poor........ not really a bad tradeoff!

 
 
 

Wet Snow

Post by Neil » Fri, 01 Feb 2013 10:05:24

I would tend to agree with you, fish scales or noisy and slow. and I have
had the experience of them balling up in wet soft snow. However, I'm sure
you always get the wax right but I don't but I tend to ski with companions
who use fish scales. It is difficult to ask them to stop all the time while
you fiddle with your waxes. By the way what are rock skis?



Quote:

>> fish scales?

> No, no!

> Fish scales were the original attempt to make "waxless" skis, they have
> never worked and I still cringe when I hear a tourist coming (very
> slowly!) down the tracks in -5C or colder, with that
> "DRRRRRRRRRRRRRR..." sound.

> Terje




>>> Wet snow, fluffy or soft, air temperature at or above 32f/0c. What are
>>> the recommendations for wax, both red and blue that include 32f/0c ball
>>> up. It seems to leave only glide wax any suggestions.

>> You're pretty much describing the conditions "Zero" skis were made for,
>> i.e. with a rubbed central area and no grip wax.

>> Terje

> If you use fishscale skis a lot as rock skis (5 years or more) the noise

  decreases dramatically, the glide improves and

the grip becomes poor........ not really a bad tradeoff!

 
 
 

Wet Snow

Post by g.. » Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:55:17

On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:05:24 -0000

Quote:

> I would tend to agree with you, fish scales or noisy and slow. and I
> have had the experience of them balling up in wet soft snow. However,
> I'm sure you always get the wax right but I don't but I tend to ski
> with companions who use fish scales. It is difficult to ask them to
> stop all the time while you fiddle with your waxes. By the way what
> are rock skis?

Rub some liquid wax or silicone spray (or cooking oil) on your
fishscales to inhibit snow from sticking.  Make it very light, so you
can still get grip.

Gene

 
 
 

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Post by g.. » Sat, 02 Feb 2013 00:46:43

On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:05:24 -0000

Quote:

> I would tend to agree with you, fish scales or noisy and slow. and I
> have had the experience of them balling up in wet soft snow. However,
> I'm sure you always get the wax right but I don't but I tend to ski
> with companions who use fish scales. It is difficult to ask them to
> stop all the time while you fiddle with your waxes. By the way what
> are rock skis?

Rock skis are pairs mainly used for conditions where you are likely to
enounter rocks or other impediments that can do damage to your bases
(sticks, pavement just underneath), such as commonly faced at early or
late season snow levels.  They might be a well-knicked up old pair
that you don't care if it gets more damage, or something picked up at a
sale for the purpose.  

Gene

 
 
 

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Post by Ben Kaufma » Sat, 02 Feb 2013 23:54:03

<SNIP>

Quote:
>By the way what are rock skis?

Wow, you must come from a place where the snow is really good!  :-)

(I saw gene already answer you question, so I can kid around).

Ben

 
 
 

Wet Snow

Post by gr » Mon, 04 Feb 2013 02:52:33


Quote:

> <SNIP>
>> By the way what are rock skis?

> Wow, you must come from a place where the snow is really good!  :-)

> (I saw gene already answer you question, so I can kid around).

> Ben

I think he is in Norway, the land of endless snow. I am in Rochester, NY
the land of endless teases about snow--- looks like yet another lake
effect storm missed us.
 
 
 

Wet Snow

Post by gr » Mon, 04 Feb 2013 02:55:22


Quote:
> I would tend to agree with you, fish scales or noisy and slow. and I
> have had the experience of them balling up in wet soft snow. However,
> I'm sure you always get the wax right but I don't but I tend to ski with
> companions who use fish scales. It is difficult to ask them to stop all
> the time while you fiddle with your waxes. By the way what are rock skis?

Swix liquid F4 goes a long way to stopping the fish scales  from
gathering clumps. I solved the "getting the grip wax right" problem by
using Start Grip Tape (self adjusting to temperature -4F to ~30F (and
maybe higher)).
Quote:





>>> fish scales?

>> No, no!

>> Fish scales were the original attempt to make "waxless" skis, they have
>> never worked and I still cringe when I hear a tourist coming (very
>> slowly!) down the tracks in -5C or colder, with that
>> "DRRRRRRRRRRRRRR..." sound.

>> Terje




>>>> Wet snow, fluffy or soft, air temperature at or above 32f/0c. What are
>>>> the recommendations for wax, both red and blue that include 32f/0c ball
>>>> up. It seems to leave only glide wax any suggestions.

>>> You're pretty much describing the conditions "Zero" skis were made for,
>>> i.e. with a rubbed central area and no grip wax.

>>> Terje

>> If you use fishscale skis a lot as rock skis (5 years or more) the noise

>   decreases dramatically, the glide improves and

> the grip becomes poor........ not really a bad tradeoff!

 
 
 

Wet Snow

Post by terje.mathisen at tmsw.n » Mon, 04 Feb 2013 04:52:34

Quote:



>> <SNIP>
>>> By the way what are rock skis?

>> Wow, you must come from a place where the snow is really good!  :-)

>> (I saw gene already answer you question, so I can kid around).

>> Ben

> I think he is in Norway, the land of endless snow. I am in Rochester, NY
> the land of endless teases about snow--- looks like yet another lake
> effect storm missed us.

If you are talking about me, I am indeed in Norway, this weekend (like
most winter weekends) in Rauland, Telemark.

Yes, this is probably one of the nicer places in the world if you're
into xc skiing...

Take a look at http://visitrauland.com/ !

(We had the HelteRennet here today, several family members took part: A
little windy but bright blue skies, -5C and perfect tracks for everyone.)

OTOH, Oslo where we spend the rest of the week ins't really that bad
either, with something like 3-4000 km of properly maintained xc ski
trails, a few hundred of them lighted at night.

Terje
--
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

 
 
 

Wet Snow

Post by gr » Mon, 04 Feb 2013 05:14:56

Pretty place!    http://www.rauland.org/Skiing/Cross-country


Quote:



>>> <SNIP>
>>>> By the way what are rock skis?

>>> Wow, you must come from a place where the snow is really good!  :-)

>>> (I saw gene already answer you question, so I can kid around).

>>> Ben

>> I think he is in Norway, the land of endless snow. I am in Rochester, NY
>> the land of endless teases about snow--- looks like yet another lake
>> effect storm missed us.

> If you are talking about me, I am indeed in Norway, this weekend (like
> most winter weekends) in Rauland, Telemark.

> Yes, this is probably one of the nicer places in the world if you're
> into xc skiing...

> Take a look at http://visitrauland.com/ !

> (We had the HelteRennet here today, several family members took part: A
> little windy but bright blue skies, -5C and perfect tracks for everyone.)

> OTOH, Oslo where we spend the rest of the week ins't really that bad
> either, with something like 3-4000 km of properly maintained xc ski
> trails, a few hundred of them lighted at night.

> Terje

 
 
 

Wet Snow

Post by Ben Kaufma » Tue, 05 Feb 2013 10:13:17



Quote:


>> <SNIP>
>>> By the way what are rock skis?

>> Wow, you must come from a place where the snow is really good!  :-)

>> (I saw gene already answer you question, so I can kid around).

>> Ben

>I think he is in Norway, the land of endless snow. I am in Rochester, NY
>the land of endless teases about snow--- looks like yet another lake
>effect storm missed us.

I am in Rockland county,  20 miles north of NYC, so not even anything to get
teased about. :-)
 
 
 

Wet Snow

Post by Ben Kaufma » Tue, 05 Feb 2013 10:30:42



Quote:

>> I would tend to agree with you, fish scales or noisy and slow. and I
>> have had the experience of them balling up in wet soft snow. However,
>> I'm sure you always get the wax right but I don't but I tend to ski with
>> companions who use fish scales. It is difficult to ask them to stop all
>> the time while you fiddle with your waxes. By the way what are rock skis?

>Swix liquid F4 goes a long way to stopping the fish scales  from
>gathering clumps. I solved the "getting the grip wax right" problem by
>using Start Grip Tape (self adjusting to temperature -4F to ~30F (and
>maybe higher)).

Do you know if the grip tape be put over warn out fish scales?

Ben