Waxing wax-less skis

Waxing wax-less skis

Post by Kent Anderso » Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:00:00


I find plenty of advice for waxable skis, but what about
waxless skis?  Any tips?

Should I wax?

What kind of wax?  No grip wax for a waxless ski, of
course, but Swix makes a liquid glide wax in a bottle
with a sponge applicator (no hassle--very tempting), then
there's XC glide waxes, downhill waxes ...

Where do you wax?  Just tips and tails or the entire ski?

Thanks,
Kent

 
 
 

Waxing wax-less skis

Post by Jeff Wilso » Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:00:00

I've been using the Swix F4 paste wax for the last two seasons.  Just
rub on like shoe polish and then buff.  I wax the whole ski including
the fish scales.  It doesn't degrade the kick but does help prevent
snow sticking to the scales.  It works well for me in central Sierra
conditions.

Been skiing only once this season.  I tried a red hot wax on the tips
and tails.  Worked well in dry powder.  I got a lot sticking snow in
the bare scale area. I also tried red kick wax, but don't want to
discuss my stupidity.  Had to apply "Maxiglide" to the scales just to
glide.  When I got home, I applied a coat of F4 over the whole ski.
This weekend I'll check it out.

Quote:

> I find plenty of advice for waxable skis, but what about
> waxless skis?  Any tips?

> Should I wax?

> What kind of wax?  No grip wax for a waxless ski, of
> course, but Swix makes a liquid glide wax in a bottle
> with a sponge applicator (no hassle--very tempting), then
> there's XC glide waxes, downhill waxes ...

> Where do you wax?  Just tips and tails or the entire ski?

> Thanks,
> Kent

--
Jeff Wilson

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of
these is love."

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Find harmony and balance within.....

 
 
 

Waxing wax-less skis

Post by Carri Forsber » Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Try a product called "notwax". It is a product that comes in a hockey
puck sized container and you just rub it on with a felt applicator. It
lasts anywhere from 1-3 days. I used to use Swix F4 but found the notwax
to be more durable and much faster. I now use notwax for classic and
skate skiis, racing or training. I have yet to be beaten in a glide test
by any racewax. It is truly an incredible product. Super fast, durable,
wide range, and easy to apply. I know they sell it at Eagle River
Nordic.

Carri

Quote:

> I find plenty of advice for waxable skis, but what about
> waxless skis?  Any tips?

> Should I wax?

> What kind of wax?  No grip wax for a waxless ski, of
> course, but Swix makes a liquid glide wax in a bottle
> with a sponge applicator (no hassle--very tempting), then
> there's XC glide waxes, downhill waxes ...

> Where do you wax?  Just tips and tails or the entire ski?

> Thanks,
> Kent


 
 
 

Waxing wax-less skis

Post by Gene » Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>Try a product called "notwax". It is a product that comes in a hockey
>puck sized container and you just rub it on with a felt applicator. It
>lasts anywhere from 1-3 days. I used to use Swix F4 but found the notwax
>to be more durable and much faster. I now use notwax for classic and
>skate skiis, racing or training. I have yet to be beaten in a glide test
>by any racewax. It is truly an incredible product. Super fast, durable,
>wide range, and easy to apply. I know they sell it at Eagle River
>Nordic.

>Carri

Is there some secret to applying this stuff?  Notwax became a joke around here
when I got some a couple years ago.  Without dumping half the container on the
ski, we couldn't get it to last more than a day's striding and wasn't
particularly fast at all.  Not to say that F4 lasts that long or is very fast
either.

Gene Goldenfeld

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Waxing wax-less skis

Post by Dirk » Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:00:00

I've had good results by having the tips and tails of our skis hot-waxed
at the start of the season to even out last year's scratches. (I
wouldn't know which end of a waxing iron is up, so I have my local
alpine ski shop do it for me, about ten bucks a pair.)

Then, before I go out on the snow, I give the base, including the
fishscales, a light coating of a liquid product called Maxiglide. Good
idea to give the top of the ski a swipe as well, to prevent wet snow
from sticking.

I haven't tried the Swix stuff, nor the "Notwax", but I probably will as
soon as my bottle of Maxiglide is depleted.

--Dirk

Quote:

> I find plenty of advice for waxable skis, but what about
> waxless skis?  Any tips?

> Should I wax?

> What kind of wax?  No grip wax for a waxless ski, of
> course, but Swix makes a liquid glide wax in a bottle
> with a sponge applicator (no hassle--very tempting), then
> there's XC glide waxes, downhill waxes ...

> Where do you wax?  Just tips and tails or the entire ski?

> Thanks,
> Kent

 
 
 

Waxing wax-less skis

Post by Packpowd » Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:00:00

I use my waxless/rock skiis at near freezing and above.  I have had good
results from putting Turtle Wax (for cars) on the ski except for the kick area.

Bob

 
 
 

Waxing wax-less skis

Post by ro.. » Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:00:00

I'm in western Oregon, wet country, so YMMV, but here is what I have noted
about applying notwax.  First skis must be thoroughly cleaned of wax by
solvents.  Better once more after you think they were clean.  Then, the
first treatment with notwax takes a lot of the liquid.  The second
treatment with notwax, before the second trip, takes much less. After
about the third trip using notwax, its one wipe with a slightly damp
applicator.  Periodically I apply more heavily.

*NOTE:  Notwax only is useful on sintered base skis.  It cannot sink into
skis with molded bases.  For example, all the Trak skis I remember have
molded patterns, while Fischer skis have patterns which are milled into
sintered bases.

I found much lessened breakaway forces at each step compared to wax, and
when I thought the notwax was too slow on wet snow once and waxed in
disgust, within 10 feet I decided I had made a serious error.  So for
glidewaxing the convenience of notwax has made me a convert.

Steve Staloff

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>>Try a product called "notwax". It is a product that comes in a hockey
>>puck sized container and you just rub it on with a felt applicator. It
>>lasts anywhere from 1-3 days. I used to use Swix F4 but found the notwax
>>to be more durable and much faster. I now use notwax for classic and
>>skate skiis, racing or training. I have yet to be beaten in a glide test
>>by any racewax. It is truly an incredible product. Super fast, durable,
>>wide range, and easy to apply. I know they sell it at Eagle River
>>Nordic.

>>Carri

>Is there some secret to applying this stuff?  Notwax became a joke around here
>when I got some a couple years ago.  Without dumping half the container on the
>ski, we couldn't get it to last more than a day's striding and wasn't
>particularly fast at all.  Not to say that F4 lasts that long or is very fast
>either.

>Gene Goldenfeld

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Waxing wax-less skis

Post by William Mulle » Wed, 02 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Interesting concept, waxing nowaxers...... sounds like a great idea. My
method for ironing out last years scratches has been to sand them of with a
very fine grit paper. Sounds counter productive, but works quite well, those
little shaggy hairs do slow you down, so sand em off. A note about Notwax, I
would not recomend anyone using that crap! I used it on a set of Tua Montets
( tele boards ) as directed on the bottle, by midway through the day the
skis were behaving eratically, and skiing very slow. It also seemed to
foster a crud layer sticking to the bases. Stick to the tried and true.....
real wax, or Maxiglide for waxless.
Will
Quote:

> I've had good results by having the tips and tails of our skis hot-waxed
> at the start of the season to even out last year's scratches. (I
> wouldn't know which end of a waxing iron is up, so I have my local
> alpine ski shop do it for me, about ten bucks a pair.)

> Then, before I go out on the snow, I give the base, including the
> fishscales, a light coating of a liquid product called Maxiglide. Good
> idea to give the top of the ski a swipe as well, to prevent wet snow
> from sticking.

> I haven't tried the Swix stuff, nor the "Notwax", but I probably will as
> soon as my bottle of Maxiglide is depleted.

> --Dirk


> > I find plenty of advice for waxable skis, but what about
> > waxless skis?  Any tips?

> > Should I wax?

> > What kind of wax?  No grip wax for a waxless ski, of
> > course, but Swix makes a liquid glide wax in a bottle
> > with a sponge applicator (no hassle--very tempting), then
> > there's XC glide waxes, downhill waxes ...

> > Where do you wax?  Just tips and tails or the entire ski?

> > Thanks,
> > Kent

 
 
 

Waxing wax-less skis

Post by jeff jun » Wed, 02 Dec 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
> Interesting concept, waxing nowaxers...... sounds like a great idea...

You bet it's a great idea.  I love my waxless Fischer touring skis for
those times when I just want to run up to one of our local county Open
Space parks and get in some kilometers (when you work as much overtime as I
do, you don't want to waste precious free time sitting in the I-70 traffic
jams).  You can tune the tips and tails just like regular waxable skis, and
don't forget to brush 'em out with one of those horsehair/brass & nylon
brushes (Swix) after scraping the wax.  THEN, to really make them go, apply
F4 or Maxiglide over the whole ski.  Happy Trails!
Jeff