Lifts 'n' stuff

Lifts 'n' stuff

Post by wellg.. » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00


I am a relative beginner to snowboarding and I'm looking for resorts in
Switzerland to visit. The thing is a number of them appear to rely on
drag-lifts, which I find difficult , if not impossible to use on a
snowboard. Can anyone recommend a resort that has a good range of
slopes accesible either by chairlift or cable ?

Additionally are there any resorts that have reasonable boarding from
November ?

Any help appreciated
Dave

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Post by Simon Brow » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Dave,

Will you have company? As a non-boarder I do understand your problem, as I
often have a beginner solo boarder hop onto the t-bar with me when I'm on my
own as they find it easier with someone else. I don't mind this at all, but
some people who are a bit wobbly themselves find this difficult.

Aside: I was on the glacier early on November some years ago and a skier in
racing kit hopped on - I knew he was with the Swiss team, but I didn't know
who he was. Turns out he had just won the gold in the World Cup a few weeks
before.

For November it will be difficult in Laax, which is the #1 boarder resort in
Switzerland. The glacier will be open, but it's a t-bar to the top. There
are excellent boarding pistes that don't require a t-bar, but they will open
about December 8 or December 15 depending on snow. The glacier will have
lots of obstacles if that's the sort of thing you are after. If you are
after cruising / downhill then you'll have to come later when the other
pistes are open from ***Sogn Gion.

You will not have to make reservations now, so maybe you could wait and see
how the snow is falling, as this will widen your options a lot. November /
early December is low (very low) season, you can get a decent hotel room
with breakfast for 25 quid.

Simon
--
Simon Brown, Casa Bergenia, 7031 Laax, Switzerland
Tel: +41 81 921 6853, GSM: +41 78 608 3854
www.laax.ch

Quote:

> I am a relative beginner to snowboarding and I'm looking for resorts in
> Switzerland to visit. The thing is a number of them appear to rely on
> drag-lifts, which I find difficult , if not impossible to use on a
> snowboard. Can anyone recommend a resort that has a good range of
> slopes accesible either by chairlift or cable ?

> Additionally are there any resorts that have reasonable boarding from
> November ?

> Any help appreciated
> Dave

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Post by Neil Swingle » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> Dave,

> Will you have company? As a non-boarder I do understand your problem,
as I
> often have a beginner solo boarder hop onto the t-bar with me when
I'm on my
> own as they find it easier with someone else. I don't mind this at
all, but
> some people who are a bit wobbly themselves find this difficult.

As a beginner it is easier to go on with a skier as they can do the
steering so that you can keep the board flat. There can be a problem
with T height though as most boarders put the T between the legs which
is a bit low for most skiers.

Quote:
> For November it will be difficult in Laax, which is the #1 boarder
resort in
> Switzerland. The glacier will be open, but it's a t-bar to the top.

And as a second year boarder I found the Vorab t-bar particularly
difficult 3 years ago. The lift track was frequently rutted and icy
with a camber and downhill bits

Quote:
>There
> are excellent boarding pistes that don't require a t-bar, but they
will open
> about December 8 or December 15 depending on snow. The glacier will
have
> lots of obstacles if that's the sort of thing you are after. If you
are
> after cruising / downhill then you'll have to come later when the
other
> pistes are open from ***Sogn Gion.

In the past, there have been lifts open around ***Sogn Gion earlier
including a 6 seater chair. There is always a big snowboard event
at ***Sogn Gion at the end of November.

Quote:
> You will not have to make reservations now, so maybe you could wait
and see
> how the snow is falling, as this will widen your options a lot.
November /
> early December is low (very low) season, you can get a decent hotel
room
> with breakfast for 25 quid.

Look at the avalanche site www.slf.ch to see where the snow is.
Sometimes it can vary greatly over a short distance.

If you are coming into Zurich, the following normally open for the last
week of November:
Davos Jacobshorn has replaced most t-bars with fast chairs.
Davos Parsenn might have the funicular running.

In the past Flumserberg has been fully open in Mid November and is
mostly chairs.

Engelberg/Titlis has a short six seater chair on the glacier in addition
to a t-bar which has been open all summer. The runs are all a good
red run in steepness though.

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Post by Simon Brow » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Hi Neil,

The dates when ***Sogn Gion is open for downhill - it honestly depends on
snow, although the last few years have been excellent (ever since they
invested in all the artificial snow machines). In general, they will have it
open if there is enough snow, but annoyingly (and understandably) the other
good runs remain closed because there aren't enough staff at that time. I'm
thinking of ***Masegn -> Plaun, Alp Ruschein, La Siala.

About 4 years ago (maybe 5) it was still green at the top on December 15th,
over Christmas skiing was ***y awful. As soon as the Christmas break was
over it snowed like crazy!

At present the weather is very wet and a bit warm, although the snow level
is reported as being 2,000m. However, I can't see if that's the case - the
Signina is covered in mist.

Don't expect any new lifts in Laax over the next three years - the skilift
company is saving money to reduce the amount of borrowings.

--
Simon Brown, Casa Bergenia, 7031 Laax, Switzerland
Tel: +41 81 921 6853, GSM: +41 78 608 3854
www.laax.ch

Quote:

> If you are coming into Zurich, the following normally open for the last
> week of November:
> Davos Jacobshorn has replaced most t-bars with fast chairs.
> Davos Parsenn might have the funicular running.

> In the past Flumserberg has been fully open in Mid November and is
> mostly chairs.

> Engelberg/Titlis has a short six seater chair on the glacier in addition
> to a t-bar which has been open all summer. The runs are all a good
> red run in steepness though.

 
 
 

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Post by wellg.. » Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:45:03



Quote:
> Dave,

> Will you have company? As a non-boarder I do understand your problem,
as I
> often have a beginner solo boarder hop onto the t-bar with me when
I'm on my
> own as they find it easier with someone else. I don't mind this at
all, but
> some people who are a bit wobbly themselves find this difficult.

I'll give this a try - and hope my partner doesn't mind when we
collapse in a heap and have to rejoin the queue !

Quote:
> For November it will be difficult in Laax, which is the #1 boarder
resort in
> Switzerland. The glacier will be open, but it's a t-bar to the top.
There
> are excellent boarding pistes that don't require a t-bar, but they
will open
> about December 8 or December 15 depending on snow. The glacier will
have
> lots of obstacles if that's the sort of thing you are after. If you
are
> after cruising / downhill then you'll have to come later when the
other
> pistes are open from ***Sogn Gion.

Thanks for that information. I think yoiu just saved me a wasted trip.

Quote:

> You will not have to make reservations now, so maybe you could wait
and see
> how the snow is falling, as this will widen your options a lot.
November /
> early December is low (very low) season, you can get a decent hotel
room
> with breakfast for 25 quid.

Brilliant. I've been looking around for hotels and things and I
suddenly realise thta as I am going for long weekends mainly (I live in
Zurich) booking early leaves me at the mercy of the weather...

I've decided I'm gunna take a trek to Saas Fee in a couple of weeks and
try Laax nearer Christmas.

In Jan, the more local resorts - Flumserberg & Engelberg will be more
convenient I hope.

Thanks for the help
Dave

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Post by Simon Brow » Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:43:18

Dave,

If you live in Zurich then you will have no problems at all. Laax is 2.5
hours by train to Chur then bus to Laax.


will help you out. Also see www.kns.ch/seehof - I can recommend this place
to you. Good food and beer, lovely Danish serving girl until the end of
November.

Watch www.laax.ch for snow / piste reports, but at present it is warm, snow
above 2,500m (I can't see higher just now).

In November some piste is open only over the weekend, which will suit you
fine. To avoid the t-bar, you want ***Sogn Gion to be open - chair /
gondola to the top, nice wide pistes which, for a beginner are good as you
don't have such a problem with other people, and you have the space to
practice. You have easy blue, red and easy black. Easy because it's nice and
wide. If ***Sogn Gion -> Plaun is open then that is also not a difficult
piste, and has a 6 seater back to ***Sogn Gion.

I always suggest getting out early on the 08:30 gondola - fewer people, more
room for some peaceful skiing / boarding.

FWIW, ***is Romansch for Mountain, but a special type - more rounded at
the top. Craggy mountains are Piz. ***Sogn Gion is the Mountain (dedicated
to) St. John.

--
Simon Brown, Casa Bergenia, 7031 Laax, Switzerland
Tel: +41 81 921 6853, GSM: +41 78 608 3854
www.laax.ch

Quote:



> > Dave,

> > Will you have company? As a non-boarder I do understand your problem,
> as I
> > often have a beginner solo boarder hop onto the t-bar with me when
> I'm on my
> > own as they find it easier with someone else. I don't mind this at
> all, but
> > some people who are a bit wobbly themselves find this difficult.
> I'll give this a try - and hope my partner doesn't mind when we
> collapse in a heap and have to rejoin the queue !

> > For November it will be difficult in Laax, which is the #1 boarder
> resort in
> > Switzerland. The glacier will be open, but it's a t-bar to the top.
> There
> > are excellent boarding pistes that don't require a t-bar, but they
> will open
> > about December 8 or December 15 depending on snow. The glacier will
> have
> > lots of obstacles if that's the sort of thing you are after. If you
> are
> > after cruising / downhill then you'll have to come later when the
> other
> > pistes are open from ***Sogn Gion.

> Thanks for that information. I think yoiu just saved me a wasted trip.

> > You will not have to make reservations now, so maybe you could wait
> and see
> > how the snow is falling, as this will widen your options a lot.
> November /
> > early December is low (very low) season, you can get a decent hotel
> room
> > with breakfast for 25 quid.

> Brilliant. I've been looking around for hotels and things and I
> suddenly realise thta as I am going for long weekends mainly (I live in
> Zurich) booking early leaves me at the mercy of the weather...

> I've decided I'm gunna take a trek to Saas Fee in a couple of weeks and
> try Laax nearer Christmas.

> In Jan, the more local resorts - Flumserberg & Engelberg will be more
> convenient I hope.

> Thanks for the help
> Dave

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Post by Neil Swingle » Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

> Brilliant. I've been looking around for hotels and things and I
> suddenly realise thta as I am going for long weekends mainly (I live
in
> Zurich) booking early leaves me at the mercy of the weather...

> I've decided I'm gunna take a trek to Saas Fee in a couple of weeks
and
> try Laax nearer Christmas.

There are also the glaciers in Austria. Kaunertal is the closest. Les
Diablarets is probably closer than Saas Fee as well. I don't know
if any of these places have glacier lifts other than t-bars.

I used to live in Zurich. My site has details of day trippable resorts.
http://www.home.ch/~spaw3158/snow
The key sites you need to make a decision are
www.switzerlandwinter.ch for all snow reports
www.sma.ch for a fairly accurate 5 day weather forecast
www.slf.ch to find out where the new snow is

--
Neil Swingler

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Post by BD » Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:00:00

I highly recommend Wengen. It's a beautiful spot to go with a lot of chair
lifts and access via the cog-wheel trains.

Boarding from November???  That's more of an American thing, from what I've
found since most high-level resorts in the States have extensive snow-making
capability.  Count on most European resorts opening by December (there's
always the glaciers you can go to however -- my favorite is the Kitzeinhorn
near Zell am See, Austria.

Quote:

> I am a relative beginner to snowboarding and I'm looking for resorts in
> Switzerland to visit. The thing is a number of them appear to rely on
> drag-lifts, which I find difficult , if not impossible to use on a
> snowboard. Can anyone recommend a resort that has a good range of
> slopes accesible either by chairlift or cable ?

> Additionally are there any resorts that have reasonable boarding from
> November ?

> Any help appreciated
> Dave

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