HELP! With boots, Nordica or Raichle

HELP! With boots, Nordica or Raichle

Post by Stanton Krame » Sat, 14 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

> I'm buying boots in the next few days and am confused whether to get all
> out stiffness or a softer boots.  I'm looking at the Nordica GPV which is
> quite stuff and the Raichle Flexon Comp Equipe which is softer but has
> laterall stiffness I guess.  I usualy ski moguls, poweder when its there
> (off piste) and the steeps and the occasion hard pack groom cruiser.

> Do I want the all out stiffness.  I'm confused.  Any help would be
> appreciated.

> Thanks


Personally, I'm partial to a boot with softer forward flex, though stiff
laterally.  I've skied Raichles and can't say enough good things about
them. The Ceramic Liner is about the best stock liner you can get for
performance fit providing it fits your foot. Their flexon design has
stood the test of time.

Until this year I was skiing in Raichle Comp Slaloms. I wish that I had
gotten one model softer as these boots weren't as pleasant in the bumps
as my Raichle 9.9's had been.  Raichles have always given me the ability
to really get to an edge and ride the ski.

This year I bought a pair of Salomon Peforma 9.0 Equipes.  These too are
excellent boots, probably the equal of the Raichles. Not too soft, not
too stiff, but laterally VERY responsive. Liners in the Salomons seem
well thought out. The "Human Print" liners seem to mold very well to the
feet, seem warm enough and are comfortable to wear all day.

The other boot that we see a lot of on our ski school is Tecnica. I had
a pair a couple years ago and really liked them. My best friend has a
pair of TCR's with injected liners. He says he likes them. They fit him
better than his old Raichle 9.9's, but his performance is no different
in either boot.  TCR's or TNT Explosion 8's or TNS's look like good
choices in the Tecnica line.

Though I know several people that ski Nordica's, somehow these boots
don't tend to impress me. The guys that bought the stiff Nordica's look
less fluid than those on softer models.  We don't see very many around
our ski school. The guys that are skiing them say they're OK, but don't
necessarily rave about them.  *This is only my impression and not fact.*
I have not skied Nordica since 1986.

One last personal opinion... As a ski instructor of 19 years I see a lot
of skiers. The BIGGEST equimpent buying error I see the general public
make is buying too stiff of a boot. I find very few situations where I
need that much forward stiffness that only a race type boot will
provide. Additionally, the newer skis will use less forward pressure
than conventional skis.

Now to speak out of both sides of my mouth, Nordica has a reputation of
building good boots. They've been in business long before I started
skiing so they must be doing something right.  Your won't go wrong as
long as you don't overestimate your level/ability and overboot.

Hope this helps.
Stanton Kramer
PSIA Level III Certified Instructor

 
 
 

HELP! With boots, Nordica or Raichle

Post by Jason Bolger I » Sun, 15 Dec 1996 04:00:00

I'm buying boots in the next few days and am confused whether to get all
out stiffness or a softer boots.  I'm looking at the Nordica GPV which is
quite stuff and the Raichle Flexon Comp Equipe which is softer but has
laterall stiffness I guess.  I usualy ski moguls, poweder when its there
(off piste) and the steeps and the occasion hard pack groom cruiser.

Do I want the all out stiffness.  I'm confused.  Any help would be
appreciated.

Thanks


 
 
 

HELP! With boots, Nordica or Raichle

Post by Stanislaw Petra » Tue, 17 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>I'm buying boots in the next few days and am confused whether to get all
>out stiffness or a softer boots.  I'm looking at the Nordica GPV which
is
>quite stuff and the Raichle Flexon Comp Equipe which is softer but has
>laterall stiffness I guess.  I usualy ski moguls, poweder when its there
>(off piste) and the steeps and the occasion hard pack groom cruiser.

>Do I want the all out stiffness.  I'm confused.  Any help would be
>appreciated.

>Thanks


I have had a chance to choose between Nordica GP and Raichle Flexon Comp
Equipe...
Abou myself: 15 years of skiing, college racing, like to carve wide open
arcs
on high speed, 6' , 190 lbs.

Nordica: 96 Grand Prix model Yellow/Green stiff index 90, $300
Raichle: 96 Flexon Comp Equipe Yellow/Blue, $275

Guess what? I have a Raichle now.

Subjective evaluation:
Both boots hold the foot very well. Both are very stiff laterally. Looks
like Flexon has a little lower volume fit.

Flexon pros:
Verrrry pleasant progressive forward flex, no pressure in shin area, even
compression of foot, Spiral wrap innerboot is _perfect_. Three stiffness
settings: soft=don't use it, medium=cruise and relax, hard=same as Lange
X9 Zero Race (I've actually tested it myself). While skiing, you can feel
the whole edge of the ski as if you are skiing barefoot. It is the boot
for finesse.

Nordica pros: Very good buckles, close with pleasant "clanggg...", foots
compresses more than in Flexon, forward flex is very stiff and responsive

Flexon cons:
If you are used to normal (non-Raichle) buckles, Flexon's system may take
some time to get use to. When boot is closed, everything is perfect, but
when buckles are open, the flexible "ropes" start to get in the way. For
example, it rather hard to unbuckle boots while on the chairlift and then
_quickly_ close the boot again. The ribbed tongue (Raichle trademark) may
shift outside when you really crank on the buckles (you will need to
adjust it manually).

Nordica cons:
Compresses really hard in calf area. I lost circulation in both feet
after 5 min. in the boot. Flex is less progressive than in Flexon: first
1.5 cm is OK, then boot just stops and then only flex left is that in
your bones :)
Seem a little heavier that Flexon.

Summary: If you like to "dash and bash", have a high stance, race slalom
course a lot or have _extremely_ strong legs Nordica would be a better
choice. It is for muscle lighting-quick slalom racer who need buckle to
the max, dive into the SL course and then unbuckle. You _cannot_ ski in
Nordica long time under full compression.
If youre more a finesse skier, need more flex in the bumps and gererally
ski in more lower stance, Raichle will be much better choice. It is for
high speed cruising, GS or even SG, mogul fields (more flexible
settings).

Based on your information, I would recommend Raichle. You must have more
flex in the bumps, Nordica has very narrow flex range. Also, I think for
powder you need more smooth movements, pressure in the center of ski,
wider arcs. With Nordica, if you load the front a little too much, tips
of the skis will dive.

Hope this helps,

Good luck

Stan Petrash,