Does skating absolutely require groomed trails?

Does skating absolutely require groomed trails?

Post by gr » Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:55:51


Aside from the obvious nice heavy top crust snow, is it possible to
skate on snow which is say, 9 inches deep and untraveled? Or is trail
breaking something you can't do at all wit skate skis?
gr
 
 
 

Does skating absolutely require groomed trails?

Post by runcyclexcsk » Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:06:35


Quote:
> Aside from the obvious nice heavy top crust snow, is it possible to
> skate on snow which is say, 9 inches deep and untraveled? Or is trail
> breaking something you can't do at all wit skate skis?
> gr

not on "skating skis" (i.e short and narrow) for sure. Skating
requires glide. I am not sure what kind of glide you can get through
9" of snow. Breaking trail after a fresh snowfall is "classic" style
skiing, but there is not much glide there either

 
 
 

Does skating absolutely require groomed trails?

Post by terje.mathisen at tmsw.n » Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:07:12

Quote:


>> Aside from the obvious nice heavy top crust snow, is it possible to
>> skate on snow which is say, 9 inches deep and untraveled? Or is trail
>> breaking something you can't do at all wit skate skis?
>> gr

> not on "skating skis" (i.e short and narrow) for sure. Skating
> requires glide. I am not sure what kind of glide you can get through
> 9" of snow. Breaking trail after a fresh snowfall is "classic" style
> skiing, but there is not much glide there either

Indeed.
:-)

Breaking trail like that, i.e. when sinking 15-20 cm down, reducesyour
forward speed to something like 4 km/h, at least when skiing marathon
distances with a pack.

Trying to skate would just be a very fast way to faceplant.

(There is one possible exception though: With no pack, very solid base
and up to 15 cm of extremely soft/fresh powder, you can indeed do some
skating, but it is a lot more efficient to ski classic style.)

Terje

--
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

 
 
 

Does skating absolutely require groomed trails?

Post by Ben Kaufma » Wed, 23 Nov 2011 04:48:05



Quote:
>Aside from the obvious nice heavy top crust snow, is it possible to
>skate on snow which is say, 9 inches deep and untraveled? Or is trail
>breaking something you can't do at all wit skate skis?
>gr

No.  You can't skate in those conditions, especially with skate skis;
I've tried it.  There's a snowmobile trail I can sometimes skate on, and since
it's their trail, I get off of it when they come by.

Ben

 
 
 

Does skating absolutely require groomed trails?

Post by outsideinm » Wed, 23 Nov 2011 07:41:36

absolutely yes, done it nearly every year on our local golf course out my
door.

400 yard long fairway.  first pass 4 minutes slooooooow.  second pass, 3:45,
third pass, 3:30, until i've packed it myself enough to skate on it fairly
well.  self grooming!!!

Jkal.


Quote:
> Aside from the obvious nice heavy top crust snow, is it possible to skate
> on snow which is say, 9 inches deep and untraveled? Or is trail breaking
> something you can't do at all wit skate skis?
> gr

 
 
 

Does skating absolutely require groomed trails?

Post by gr » Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:23:21


Quote:
> absolutely yes, done it nearly every year on our local golf course out my
> door.

> 400 yard long fairway.  first pass 4 minutes slooooooow.  second pass, 3:45,
> third pass, 3:30, until i've packed it myself enough to skate on it fairly
> well.  self grooming!!!

> Jkal.



>> Aside from the obvious nice heavy top crust snow, is it possible to skate
>> on snow which is say, 9 inches deep and untraveled? Or is trail breaking
>> something you can't do at all wit skate skis?
>> gr

Thanks to all for the responses! Sounds like yes for die-hards, but
mostly no.
 
 
 

Does skating absolutely require groomed trails?

Post by runcyclexcsk » Fri, 25 Nov 2011 04:37:59



Quote:
> absolutely yes, done it nearly every year on our local golf course out my
> door.

> 400 yard long fairway. ?first pass 4 minutes slooooooow. ?second pass, 3:45,
> third pass, 3:30, until i've packed it myself enough to skate on it fairly
> well. ?self grooming!!!

There is a lore story that a top Russian nordic skier groomed his own
skating trails by dragging a truck tire behind him. In my garrison
town they used to send in a platoon skiing three a*** to groom -
the result was skate-able to an extent (this is where kids in my town
learned skating in the mid 80s).
 
 
 

Does skating absolutely require groomed trails?

Post by Ben Kaufma » Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:13:24



Quote:

>> absolutely yes, done it nearly every year on our local golf course out my
>> door.

>> 400 yard long fairway.  first pass 4 minutes slooooooow.  second pass, 3:45,
>> third pass, 3:30, until i've packed it myself enough to skate on it fairly
>> well.  self grooming!!!

>> Jkal.



>>> Aside from the obvious nice heavy top crust snow, is it possible to skate
>>> on snow which is say, 9 inches deep and untraveled? Or is trail breaking
>>> something you can't do at all wit skate skis?
>>> gr

>Thanks to all for the responses! Sounds like yes for die-hards, but
>mostly no.

You would have to disqualify that "yes" because you specifically asked about
skating on *** 9" snow and he said he has to make several passes to pack it
enough to skate on it, so the answer to your question is a unanimous no.

Ben

 
 
 

Does skating absolutely require groomed trails?

Post by Mike » Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:47:05


Quote:
> Aside from the obvious nice heavy top crust snow, is it possible to skate
> on snow which is say, 9 inches deep and untraveled? Or is trail breaking
> something you can't do at all wit skate skis?
> gr

I think the first Birkie I did was something like that.  Oof Da!!