Boycott Austrian Resorts

Boycott Austrian Resorts

Post by Jos van Adriche » Fri, 04 Feb 2000 04:00:00


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> etc etc etc just because you disagree with one politician?

Not just this one politician.
About 25 % of the Austrian people voted for this politician.

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Post by Alex Hen » Sat, 05 Feb 2000 04:00:00

On Thu, 03 Feb 2000 00:09:27 GMT, "Richard and Barbara"

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>One of the ways for right thinking people to protest  against Joerg Haider
>is to boycott Austrian ski resorts. If you agree, pass this message on.

>Richard and Barbara Gottlieb

No. That is not right thinking people. That is wooly thinking people.

Why the hell should you harm all the Austrians working in ski resorts
just because some Austrians voted for a party you do not like?

Even if there were universal acceptance that the party was abhorrent
(which by definition, there cannot be if enough people voted for them
to give them power), it still would not be right to take this action
against a democratically elected government.

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Post by Richard and Barbar » Sat, 05 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Hitler was democratically elected in 1933.  Would you have opposed a boycott
of German ski resorts at that time,  in spite of that fact?  Or would
deploring his ideas been  sufficient.  Or would the other poster have  said
that since so many Germans voted Nazi, that Nazi ideas must have merit.  Or
would people have complained that boycotting ski resorts should not have
been discussed on a ski news group.  Skiing is great---but not that great!

Barbara

 
 
 

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Post by Jürgen Wallne » Sat, 05 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>Hitler was democratically elected in 1933.  Would you have opposed a
boycott
>of German ski resorts at that time,  in spite of that fact?  Or would

Assuming that I had known about the contents of Hitlers "Mein Kampf" at
that time
there is no doubt I would have agreed a boycott. The question remains
whether this
would have made any difference to what has happened.

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>deploring his ideas been  sufficient.  Or would the other poster have  said

We all know that just deploring his ideas would definitely not have been
sufficient.
But I am sure that immediate and strong *political* reaction on Hitlers
frist attempts
to realize his ideas would have made a difference!

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>that since so many Germans voted Nazi, that Nazi ideas must have merit.  Or

Now this is a fine case of reverting causality... ;-)
Wouldnt it be more reasonable to say "Since Nazi promises were tempting to
a people in difficult economical and political situation, so many Germans
voted
Nazi"?

And in fact thats the reason why Haiders FPOE is no threat at all. Today
Austria
is enjoying one of the highest living standards and one of the lowest rates
of
unemployment in the world. It is close to impossible for a new government to
make noticable achievements here (with current political reactions even more
so).

It has once been said that Austria is the only country where people do not
vote
*for* but *against* someone. In my opinion this especially applies to a
majority
of the FPOE-"supporters" (and I know more than one).

Let the Austrians recognize what the government really does for them and
things
might turn like the tide... After all, Austria is still a stable democracy.

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>would people have complained that boycotting ski resorts should not have
>been discussed on a ski news group.  Skiing is great---but not that great!

Hmmm. I cannot see any complaints about the *discussion* of a boycott in
this
group. I just would have preferred not to turn this into a *political*
discussion.
 
 
 

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Post by funkra » Sat, 05 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Quote:


>> One of the ways for right thinking people to protest  against Joerg Haider
>> is to boycott Austrian ski resorts. If you agree, pass this message on.

>Oh, do grow up.....

>Deprive a load of honest hard-working hoteliers, mountain men, bar staff
>etc etc etc just because you disagree with one politician?

Yeah -

and besides - we're too busy boycotting the French.

 
 
 

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Post by terry mors » Sat, 05 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Even if there were universal acceptance that the party was abhorrent
> (which by definition, there cannot be if enough people voted for them
> to give them power), it still would not be right to take this action
> against a democratically elected government.

The Nazi Party was democratically elected, as was its leader.
 
 
 

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Post by Eric Holem » Sat, 05 Feb 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
>Hitler was democratically elected in 1933.

Um, no he wasn't.  Read your history.    

Quote:
>Or would people have complained that boycotting ski resorts should not
>have been discussed on a ski news group.  

I don't know, but if everybody out there would boycott the Arlberg during
the first week in March, I'd certainly appreciate it.  Stick with
Switzerland or France, but stay away from the Arlberg, whatever you do.
Your absence from the slopes and lifts would send Haider and all Austrians
the message that needs to be heard!!!        

--
Eric Holeman                      Chicago, Illinois USA  
"Unmarked obstacles exist."--ski area disclaimer

 
 
 

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Post by Alex Hen » Sun, 06 Feb 2000 04:00:00

On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 07:19:43 -0800, terry morse

Quote:


>> Even if there were universal acceptance that the party was abhorrent
>> (which by definition, there cannot be if enough people voted for them
>> to give them power), it still would not be right to take this action
>> against a democratically elected government.

>The Nazi Party was democratically elected, as was its leader.

I don't believe he was, actually. And the situation which allowed him
to cause so much harm was completely different.

My overriding reaction here though is along the lines of "So most of
the Western world thinks Democracy is th ONLY way to go, until it
happens to throw up some politicians they disapprove of".

To me, this whole business of calling sanctions against a country
because of *who* they happen to elect STINKS of hypocrisy. I don't
like that.

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Post by Alex Hen » Sun, 06 Feb 2000 04:00:00

On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 06:14:01 GMT, "Richard and Barbara"

Quote:

>Hitler was democratically elected in 1933.  

I don't think so.

Quote:
>Would you have opposed a boycott
>of German ski resorts at that time,  in spite of that fact?  

Yes.

Quote:
>Or would
>deploring his ideas been  sufficient.  

If he *had* been elected, then that is all we could reasonably have
done, until his government started taking *actions* which went against
basic principles of human rights.

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>Or would the other poster have  said
>that since so many Germans voted Nazi, that Nazi ideas must have merit.

Of course not. Just because millions of people vote for something,
does not necessarily mean it has any merit.

But I still think the only better way of selecting a government would
be to select by lottery, replacing a proportion every year.

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> Or
>would people have complained that boycotting ski resorts should not have
>been discussed on a ski news group.  Skiing is great---but not that great!

Has anybody complained in that way?  I think not.

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Post by Jerzy Pawlows » Sun, 06 Feb 2000 04:00:00

   I just came back from Salzburger Land, via Munich.
   Great accommodations, beautiful scenery, charming
   villages, and great snow.  Boycott if you're stupid.

--
 "Imbciles rveillez vous!"


 
 
 

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Post by Richard and Barbar » Sun, 06 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Well said.   And I applaud your acuracy.

Richard

 
 
 

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Post by Barbaria » Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Austria is charming - Richard & Barbara: grow up. If everyone boycotted
every country for abuse of human rights (much less every comment made by a
poltician) then far higher on your list should be Israel, Yugoslavia, Russia
...
Please take your political disucssion away from rec.skiing.....

But if you're boycotting

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>    I just came back from Salzburger Land, via Munich.
>    Great accommodations, beautiful scenery, charming
>    villages, and great snow.  Boycott if you're stupid.

> --
>  "Imbciles rveillez vous!"



 
 
 

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Post by Maris Ozol » Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> My overriding reaction here though is along the lines of "So most of
> the Western world thinks Democracy is th ONLY way to go, until it
> happens to throw up some politicians they disapprove of".

> To me, this whole business of calling sanctions against a country
> because of *who* they happen to elect STINKS of hypocrisy. I don't
> like that.

> The hypocrisy is much greater when one considers that the European Union
> and the US have mildly wrung their hands over the genocide being comitted
> by those savages in the East led by the former KGB man.They too have a
> "democratic system" but rather than make controversial utterances they
> just got on with killing. Seems like that's the way to go if you want
> respect from the West!

Maris Ozols
 
 
 

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Post by Paul Plato » Fri, 18 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Absolutely agreed.  In fact even the Austrians who didn't
vote for him are feeling that the rest of the world have got
the wrong end of the stick.  He is just a populist nationalist.
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>On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 07:19:43 -0800, terry morse


>>> Even if there were universal acceptance that the party was abhorrent
>>> (which by definition, there cannot be if enough people voted for them
>>> to give them power), it still would not be right to take this action
>>> against a democratically elected government.

>>The Nazi Party was democratically elected, as was its leader.

>I don't believe he was, actually. And the situation which allowed him
>to cause so much harm was completely different.

>My overriding reaction here though is along the lines of "So most of
>the Western world thinks Democracy is th ONLY way to go, until it
>happens to throw up some politicians they disapprove of".

>To me, this whole business of calling sanctions against a country
>because of *who* they happen to elect STINKS of hypocrisy. I don't
>like that.

>--

>Alex Heney, global villager

>Mediocrity thrives on standardization.

>Please remove NO and SPAM from above
>address if replying by email.