Salomon Pilot Series

Salomon Pilot Series

Post by R » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
>Richard Walsh gave me another opportunity for fun:
>Generally agreed, however, plastic has a life regardless of what you
>do to it.

You mean that no matter how much you isolate it, abuse it, send it to its
room and ground it forever, cutting off its phone and tv priveleges Plastic
still has a life.  I'm impressed.  
RL
 
 
 

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Post by terry mors » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> ><http://www.terrymorse.com/ski/spilot.html>

> Thanks for the photo, Terry. Have you seen these in person?

No, I just read about them in Inside Tracks.

Quote:
> 1 - Looks like their is just one mount each for the front and rear plates.
> Is the idea that the plate can pivot as the ski flexes underneath?

More accurately, the plate doesn't pivot as the ski flexes underneath.
The mounting plate appears to float above the ski surface, allowing the
ski to flex. Notice the clearance between the bottom of the front plate
and the ski surface, permitting a big flex of the ski before hitting
the plate.

Quote:

> 2 - Do the toe and heel pieces also move in the plate/track as the ski
> flexes?  Or is that just for adjusting boot position?

Good question, but I don't have a good answer. Here's a description
from Inside Tracks (Jan. 1, 2000):

"The binding...floats on top of a platform consisting of two integrated
units: an 'arch' and a 'transmitter'. The arch is similar in appearance
to a conventional lifter...Resting on top of the arch, the
transmitter...is the first point of contact with the heel and toe
piece. Multiple screws connect the binding to the arches and
transmitters, but entire unit is screwed into the ski's sidewall at the
'axes' points."

(Inside Tracks, P.O. Box 420234, Palm Coast, FL  32142-0234)

I can't tell from that description what portion of the assembly
"floats". The forward pressure of the binding should remain constant,
and the toe and heel piece can't rotate with respect to each other, so
the assembly must be fairly rigid. Possibly the "transmitter" provides
the rigidity for the bindings, and the binding/transmitter assembly
slides (floats) on either the front or rear "arch". But that's just a
guess. The whole assembly might be rigid, and the transmitter's purpose
might be simply to keep the toe and heel pieces from pivoting around
their mounting points.

--
-terry
http://www.terrymorse.com/ski/

 
 
 

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Post by tpet.. » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Current Pilot design has the mounting brackets recessed so they are
net-net with the sidewall of the ski.  You could boot out on the Pilot,
but it isn't going to be caused by the way the Pilot is mounted.
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Quote:



> My concern about the side mounting is that you potentially hang
> up the ski on a deep carve. Sort of like premature boot out. <G>

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Post by Goog » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>My concern about the side mounting is that you potentially hang
>up the ski on a deep carve. Sort of like premature boot out. <G>

Judging from the pic, it looks like they've scooped out chunks of the
sidewall, so that the mount points are recessed a bit.
 
 
 

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Post by Goog » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Has anyone ever studied how important it really is or (isn't) to eliminate
the flat spot under to boot?

If it's such a big deal, why not go back to the old Spademan plate systems.
Boy were those beauties!

 
 
 

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Post by Richard Wals » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>>Richard Walsh gave me another opportunity for fun:
>>Generally agreed, however, plastic has a life regardless of what you
>>do to it.

>You mean that no matter how much you isolate it, abuse it, send it to its
>room and ground it forever, cutting off its phone and tv priveleges Plastic
>still has a life.  I'm impressed.
>RL

Yes, it does, you'd be really impressed with its ability to sneak out
of upstairs windows and shinny down drainpipes. It also has this
amazing ability to keep from getting depressed from all the
mistreatment you heap on it.
RW
 
 
 

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Post by Richard Wals » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I have always held this opinion, and I buy a Salomon 900
rather than an 850 or the equiv. Marker to get a range
up to 12 so that I can set my DIN at 8.5.

However, I was reading somebody elses opinion on the
subject who said, "Why bother to buy the upper end
binding, because, as a recreational skier you'll never
set your DIN above 9 anyway? Besides, Torque
testing on these binding will show that they will perform
as advertised with the DIN set near the top of the range.

Used to be that you would buy upper end bindings to
get better durability. Remember the Salomon 747
and the 747 Equipe? The 747 was plastic and the
Equipe was aluminum.

Doesn't seem to be the case so much these days.

Discuss among yourselves and get back to me.
RW

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>>Springs perform best toward the mid ranges of their designed tension.

>My intuition has always suspected that but the question is ..... why?
>Do you know of any tests proving this out?

>The FORCE - for the curious
>Jobewan Kinobe

 
 
 

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Post by Trippingonstaple » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
> The point about Salomon's marketing strength was right on, though.
Heschung and
> Hanson, Scott and Olin were only modestly successful with rear-entry boots
(where
> are they today?)  But when Salomon did it, everybody thought it was really
cool,
> and the boot industry stampeded to imitate them.  The cap ski was, from
the start,
> simply a way to print graphics on a flat sheet of plastic, then use that
as the
> ski's topskin -- it was a bit cheaper to do it that way than to silkscreen
> finished skis.

Dont' forget what is going on now with Twin tip skis.  After the 1080 came
out everyone is jumping on the wagon...everyone.  Don't forget the K2
Poacher though, still the first.

Trippingonthewrongendofmyskis

 
 
 

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Post by Trippingonstaple » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
> Except for the unusual mounting position aside, isn't Atomic doing
> essentially the same thing with the pre-drilled plates on some of the
> Beta's, which only take Atomic/ESS bindings.

Atomic doesn't have Adidas backing it up with advertising bucks though.  Too
bad, I like skiing Atomic.

trippingonstaples

 
 
 

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Post by jos.. » Sat, 08 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>If anything, it ties the skier to a particular ski/binding combination -- which is
>probably Salomon's way of playing a little more hardball with the industry.

> Tom Geldner - Mammoth
> High Priest - Church of the Essene Chowder
> Visit http://SportToday.org/ for *** clothez
> Visit http://SportToday.org/

So, here's the real question.

Did the product concept come out of Salomon's marketing/sales/biz
group or was it the brainchild of some wunderkind techno-benchmonkey
under the influence of too much time.

My guess is the former.

The FORCE - no monkey biz
Jobewan Kinobe