K2 Thinks They Know What 5+ Million Snowboarders Want?

K2 Thinks They Know What 5+ Million Snowboarders Want?

Post by evil bo » Sun, 05 Dec 1999 04:00:00


I had a new product idea that I had brought to K2 to see if they would
help us distribute our product (a shock absorber) for us. After meeting
with the V.P. of the Snowboarding Division and with the K2 Research &
Development Team, they all thought it was a great idea but they didn't
think that the public was read for it yet. I said, What!!! He was
actually trying to tell me that he knew what 5+ million snowboarders
wanted and didn't want. What an a__hole! So you guys tell me. Check us
out at www.polrdesign.com and let us know what you think. K2 is
clueless.

Screw K2!!!

Evil bob

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K2 Thinks They Know What 5+ Million Snowboarders Want?

Post by Wilson Turne » Mon, 06 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
> Check us out at www.polrdesign.com and let us know what you think. K2
> is clueless.

I don't know... it's definitely something I would have to try before I
would buy (especially at $180).  It just seems like it would be weird to
be that high off of the snow, and doesn't it make skating a little
difficult?

I'm going to register, though, and if I win a free pair, I'll let
everyone know what I think of them.  Just don't flood my mailbox with
propoganda, okay?

I'm going to be at the Ski&Snowboard expo later today- I hope you've got
a booth there.

 
 
 

K2 Thinks They Know What 5+ Million Snowboarders Want?

Post by og » Tue, 07 Dec 1999 04:00:00

K2 turned you down so now it's "screw K2".  You're product will die a fast
and painful death with that attitude.  If I was from K2 and I read this I'd
do everything I could to bury your product.    What ever manufacturers have
you tried or did you try K2 and give up?

steve


Quote:
> I had a new product idea that I had brought to K2 to see if they would
> help us distribute our product (a shock absorber) for us. After meeting
> with the V.P. of the Snowboarding Division and with the K2 Research &
> Development Team, they all thought it was a great idea but they didn't
> think that the public was read for it yet. I said, What!!! He was
> actually trying to tell me that he knew what 5+ million snowboarders
> wanted and didn't want. What an a__hole! So you guys tell me. Check us
> out at www.polrdesign.com and let us know what you think. K2 is
> clueless.

>***K2!!!

> Evil bob

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K2 Thinks They Know What 5+ Million Snowboarders Want?

Post by Tim Westpha » Tue, 07 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
> out at www.polrdesign.com and let us know what you think. K2 is
> clueless.

I have serious doubt about your product. Maybe it is useful for absorbing
impact after jumps. But as an alpine carver I surely wouldn't buy it. I
actually modified my plates and hardboots to provide more stiffness. The
flex wil make ik more difficult to keep the board on the edge and I think
the extra height is not a good thing, like most alpine riders I like low.
And I never felt the need for a shock absorber. But maybe for freestyle
riders?

Quote:
>***K2!!!

Apparently they thought the same about this.

Tim

 
 
 

K2 Thinks They Know What 5+ Million Snowboarders Want?

Post by Arvin Chan » Tue, 07 Dec 1999 04:00:00

See in reality, the only time you would need to absorb the "shock" from
a landing is if you missed the landing and land in the flat (either long
or short) this is because when you land on a good landing you energy is
transfered into speed and not shock. So the product would be more of a
protective device (save you knees) than a performance device. Also the
impact from say outshooting the landing and crashing in the flat is very
energetic... I'd (personally) be hesistant to try such aproduct witohut
know what it would do under those conditions... can the springs take
this heavy use? I could imagine them helping with impact. but my
question is (as many people is) will this affect performance.

what if it is cold? do the spring tensions change.

So I have two things (TO INVENTOR)

a) start doing free demos on mtns... people will try almost anything for
free

b) fix your website... I could design a better one, and that's not
saying much at all (what an ugly background).

arvin

pact after jumps. But as an alpine carver I surely wouldn't buy it. I

Quote:
> actually modified my plates and hardboots to provide more stiffness. The
> flex wil make ik more difficult to keep the board on the edge and I think
> the extra height is not a good thing, like most alpine riders I like low.
> And I never felt the need for a shock absorber. But maybe for freestyle
> riders?

 
 
 

K2 Thinks They Know What 5+ Million Snowboarders Want?

Post by peet jame » Tue, 07 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Ski manufactures had a similar deal. It did not fly because most people
do not like to be raised off their edges. Keeping the foot as close to
the edge is best for edge control and overall feel. I think it will be a
hard sell.  I think your design will add in absorbtion, but at the
expense of edge control and edge feel. But who know until you
ride it.

On the other hand a bunch of bindings  are coming with absorbtion
technology.  My new bindings have a full *** bottom. The ***
extends about 3/8 of an inch thru the binding, so that you are actually
standing on the ***. It absorbs viabrations at speed, but I bet it
helps absorb stuff for hits. It works. Makes the board feel a bit dead
at slow speeds, but alot less chatter at warp speeds.

The best new inovation I have seen is a dual camber board. So far
snowbards have had one camber (just like a ski). The camber is
the arch your board makes when you lay it flat on the floor. It is
spose to distribute pressure to the tip and tail along the edge
via the arch and the taper of the board (thick middle and thin
at the tip and tail). This makes sense on a ski becasue you have
only one boot connection. WE have two boots, so it only will
work from our boot outward.  Between boots the added thickness
actually  hinders edge control. Thus the dulal camber., one under
each foot. It gives more effective edge control along the entire
edge, as well as takes a bunch of weight off the board. I road a
couple of boards like this. They carved like a dream. The most
noticable thing was the board felt shorter. I road up to a 170 and
it did not feel like a huge board. Edge to egde was like butter,
and carving was almost effortless.

The guy who makes em (they are called inca boards) has a
pattent on the idea, and I guess alot of board engineers at the
trade show, were wow'd when they say it. It makes a lot of
sense. I bet they wished they thought of it.

NOw maybe the dual camber with the improved edge and the
G3 absorber could be combined to enhance each others
attributes.

Peet
Snow board instrucctor
Loveland Colorado

Quote:

> I had a new product idea that I had brought to K2 to see if they would
> help us distribute our product (a shock absorber) for us. After meeting
> with the V.P. of the Snowboarding Division and with the K2 Research &
> Development Team, they all thought it was a great idea but they didn't
> think that the public was read for it yet. I said, What!!! He was
> actually trying to tell me that he knew what 5+ million snowboarders
> wanted and didn't want. What an a__hole! So you guys tell me. Check us
> out at www.polrdesign.com and let us know what you think. K2 is
> clueless.

>***K2!!!

> Evil bob

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Post by Freeridin » Tue, 07 Dec 1999 04:00:00

I checked out the website and I think the product looks cool. I'm a
freerider and can use a shock absorber like that. I used to play soccer
and folded my ankle pretty bad. Now I can only ride for half a day
before my ankle swells up. Maybe this will help?

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Post by w » Wed, 08 Dec 1999 04:00:00

so does dual camber mean that the midsection of the board is actually
touching the floor when you lay it down?



Quote:
>The best new inovation I have seen is a dual camber board. So far
>snowbards have had one camber (just like a ski). The camber is
>the arch your board makes when you lay it flat on the floor. It is
>spose to distribute pressure to the tip and tail along the edge
>via the arch and the taper of the board (thick middle and thin
>at the tip and tail). This makes sense on a ski becasue you have
>only one boot connection. WE have two boots, so it only will
>work from our boot outward.  Between boots the added thickness
>actually  hinders edge control. Thus the dulal camber., one under
>each foot. It gives more effective edge control along the entire
>edge, as well as takes a bunch of weight off the board. I road a
>couple of boards like this. They carved like a dream. The most
>noticable thing was the board felt shorter. I road up to a 170 and
>it did not feel like a huge board. Edge to egde was like butter,
>and carving was almost effortless.

 
 
 

K2 Thinks They Know What 5+ Million Snowboarders Want?

Post by peet jame » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> so does dual camber mean that the midsection of the board is actually
> touching the floor when you lay it down?



> >The best new inovation I have seen is a dual camber board. So far
> >snowbards have had one camber (just like a ski). The camber is
> >the arch your board makes when you lay it flat on the floor. It is
> >spose to distribute pressure to the tip and tail along the edge
> >via the arch and the taper of the board (thick middle and thin
> >at the tip and tail). This makes sense on a ski becasue you have
> >only one boot connection. WE have two boots, so it only will
> >work from our boot outward.  Between boots the added thickness
> >actually  hinders edge control. Thus the dulal camber., one under
> >each foot. It gives more effective edge control along the entire
> >edge, as well as takes a bunch of weight off the board. I road a
> >couple of boards like this. They carved like a dream. The most
> >noticable thing was the board felt shorter. I road up to a 170 and
> >it did not feel like a huge board. Edge to egde was like butter,
> >and carving was almost effortless.

Yup, if your weight is not on it, but when your weight is on then the
board is flattened (this is true off all boards). When I road the short
freestyle version , I noticed the middle a bit, but not on the longer
boards. I suggested to the designer to not make the middle so
pronounced on the shorter board and he did, but I have not riidden
the new version yet.
Peet