binding mounting position?

binding mounting position?

Post by CO Bump Skie » Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:18:00


My local shop recommended that I mount my bindings 1cm forward of center for
the type of skiing that I like to do (bumps, short quick turns). I have
heard completely contrasting opinions on whether to mount your bindings
forward or not. A member of the Canadian Freestyle team told me that they
mount their bindings forward because it makes the skis harder to turn (more
stable). The guys in the shop tell me that mounting the bindings forward
makes it easier to initiate a turn - mount them forward for short, quick
turns, mount them back for long, stable carved turns. These are obviously
conflicting theories. What have you heard or experienced?

It seems to me that moving the bindings back would give you more shovel to
flex, and should increase the turning power. Moving the bindings forward
would give you less shovel to flex, and a longer tail which acts as a
rudder, making it harder to turn. Any references to articles addressing
binding mounting position would be greatly appreciated.

Feel free to email directly.
Thanks,

 
 
 

binding mounting position?

Post by Richard Wal » Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:52:24



Quote:
>My local shop recommended that I mount my bindings 1cm forward of center
>for the type of skiing that I like to do (bumps, short quick turns). I
>have heard completely contrasting opinions on whether to mount your
>bindings forward or not. A member of the Canadian Freestyle team told me
>that they mount their bindings forward because it makes the skis harder
>to turn (more stable). The guys in the shop tell me that mounting the
>bindings forward makes it easier to initiate a turn - mount them forward
>for short, quick turns, mount them back for long, stable carved turns.
>These are obviously conflicting theories. What have you heard or
>experienced?

Here goes. Way back when, Marker had this plate onto which you mounted
your Simplex toes and your turtable longthong bindings (see I told you
it was a long time ago). The theory being that you could use one pair
of skis for slalom AND GS. Slide the plate (and therefore the binding)
forward for Slalom and back for GS, There was also a "neutral" position
for free skiing. I tried this  and generally like the effect, but,
like other adjustable binding features, I tended to set it and forget
it.

For the same effect today, try common demo bindings which can move
both the toe and the heel. Both of my regular skis have these, one
because I bought used demos and the other because I wanted to be
able to loan my skis. The toes can move a couple of cm fore and aft,
plenty to see what the effect is. My reason for the moveable toe is
really moot because the person I wanted to be able to use my skis
is a woman, toe pieces in the proper position for my boot sole length
is effectively too far forward for a smaller boot, but a woman, because
of differnt center of gravity, will benefit from a binding being set
further ahead than it would be for a man.

Anyway, if your foot is further forward on the ski, there will be
more weight on the front part of the ski. This will generally cause
the tip edges to engage more readily and initiate the turn quicker.

Don't go overboard here. A cm is generally enough or you may find
your tips "hooking". Of course this is probably better than having
your tails hook when in bumps.

Quote:

>It seems to me that moving the bindings back would give you more shovel
>to flex, and should increase the turning power. Moving the bindings
>forward would give you less shovel to flex, and a longer tail which acts
>as a rudder, making it harder to turn. Any references to articles
>addressing binding mounting position would be greatly appreciated.

To carve a turn, you need the whole ski to flex. For skiddy little
turns like you make in bumps, you want the tips to engage quickly.
A little bit forward is probably OK.

The difference is very slight, so the lever arm length difference
is insignificant, it's where the weight concentrates that seems
to matter.

A big HOWEVER, if you buy dedicated bump skis (K2 WinterHeat of a
few years ago comes to mind) the manufacturer probably took this into
account with his binding location recommendation. Stick with it.

Again, you may want to experiment using demo bindings. Or just go
ahead and put demo binding on your skis. They are a bid heavier,
though, so consider this also. I use them and the weight doesn't
seem to bother except on the trip from car to lift.

Hope this helps.

RW

Quote:

>Feel free to email directly.
>Thanks,



 
 
 

binding mounting position?

Post by Jay Piqu » Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:24:57

On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:18:00 CST, "CO Bump Skier"

Quote:

>My local shop recommended that I mount my bindings 1cm forward of center for
>the type of skiing that I like to do (bumps, short quick turns). I have
>heard completely contrasting opinions on whether to mount your bindings
>forward or not. A member of the Canadian Freestyle team told me that they
>mount their bindings forward because it makes the skis harder to turn (more
>stable). The guys in the shop tell me that mounting the bindings forward
>makes it easier to initiate a turn - mount them forward for short, quick
>turns, mount them back for long, stable carved turns. These are obviously
>conflicting theories. What have you heard or experienced?

>It seems to me that moving the bindings back would give you more shovel to
>flex, and should increase the turning power. Moving the bindings forward
>would give you less shovel to flex, and a longer tail which acts as a
>rudder, making it harder to turn. Any references to articles addressing
>binding mounting position would be greatly appreciated.

>Feel free to email directly.
>Thanks,


I've got buddies that mount their bindings forward - but they claim
it's because it helps their landings after hucking something.

For bumps, my *guess* is that by moving them forward it makes it
easier to swing the skis around in the air.

Jay Pique
*****************************************************
"Figure we'll either stick our heads up our ass
or go completely psycho.  Not a pretty sight either way."

 
 
 

binding mounting position?

Post by jukk » Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:18:40

I use Xentrics C:614 bindings,and there you can adjust from 5 positions.
Check http://www.atomic.at/english/alpin/carve_alpin/carve_r12_c7_f2.gif

You do not have to adjust all the time, once depending your skis/habbits is
good enough.

-Jukka-

VARIOZONE

Our RACE and RIDE bindings can be adjusted to the individual style, skiing
technique, and slope and snow conditions with a single lever adjustment.

614 - 5 Positions
412 - 4 Positions
310 - 3 Positions

Front position - EXTREME
.. CARVING/RIDE - easier to manoeuvre, tight turns
.. RACE - more edge pressure, no sliding

Centre position - ALLROUND
.. POWDER - centre of gravity in the middle, no breaking into crusted snow

Rear position - SPEED
.. CARVE/RIDE - more track stability, long, fast carves
.. RACE - better steering control, easy corrections
.. POWDER - more floatation at the ski tip, perfect in deep powder

 
 
 

binding mounting position?

Post by lal_trucke » Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:08:31

Quote:

> My local shop recommended that I mount my bindings 1cm forward of center for
> the type of skiing that I like to do (bumps, short quick turns).

Use some Atomics (formerly ESS) bindings - gives ytou fore-aft
adjustment so you can decide for yourself.

Top of the line demo bindings also have fore-aft adjustment, in case
you're wedded to a brand, or just don't like the ESS/Atomic reputation.
Most mountain shops have a bunch of unmounted bindings pulled from
nearly new demo skis - if you cultivate a relationship with your
mountain shop the manager can sell you nearly unused (because they were
mounted on unpopular demo skies) demo bindings and you can get the best
of all worlds - cheap, your brand, and full adjustment.

 
 
 

binding mounting position?

Post by Tony2tu » Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:08:40

Quote:
>From: "CO Bump Skier"
>My local shop recommended that I mount my bindings 1cm forward of center for
>the type of skiing that I like to do (bumps, short quick turns). I have
>heard completely contrasting opinions on whether to mount your bindings

forward or not. A member of the Canadian Freestyle team told me that they

Quote:
>mount their bindings forward because it makes the skis harder to turn (more
>stable).

That makes no sense, why would a freestyler want a harder turning ski.
mounting a cm. forward makes a ski quicker turning. It has to do with where the
center of mass is located on the ski. When listening to the freestyler,  I
suspect you got the direction right, but the reason wrong. Generally, women
benefit from mounting the binding forward due to their weight being more to the
rear, and woman's skis reflect this in their midsole mark.
I would suggest you buy a quick turning ski, and if you're shaped fairly
normally, mounting them where the manufacturer recommends.
-2turn