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by **RacingUndergroun** » Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:00:00

I'd like to conduct a short survey that will help me, as a race
director. I will also forward the results to USA Triathlon for their
board meeting on December 9th.

As runners, you make an excellent group to poll because I believe that
most runners are capable (with minimal preparation) of hopping into a
short duathlon (5K run, 30K bike, 5K run or shorter) or sprint distance
triathlon (400 meter swim, 20K bike, 5K run) if you feel so inclined.

The typical entry fee for an event of this length is in the $35-$40
range - however, if the race is sanctioned by USA Triathlon and you are
not an annual member (a $25 membership fee), you will be assessed an
additional $7.00 for a one-day license.

My question is, will this additional $7.00 fee deter you from doing the
race, or would you just pay the fee and compete?

Please post your responses - but also email me a copy so that I am sure
to get everyone's input.

Thanks,
Darrin

by **Jeff** » Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:00:00

While I might be able to jump into a duathalon or triathalon and do okay,
I'd probably just do a running only race. They're much cheaper and that's
what I actually train for. If I did desire to enter one of these events,
the $35-40 entry fee would deter me more than the extra 7.

-jeff

Quote:

> I'd like to conduct a short survey that will help me, as a race
> director. I will also forward the results to USA Triathlon for their
> board meeting on December 9th.

> As runners, you make an excellent group to poll because I believe that
> most runners are capable (with minimal preparation) of hopping into a
> short duathlon (5K run, 30K bike, 5K run or shorter) or sprint distance
> triathlon (400 meter swim, 20K bike, 5K run) if you feel so inclined.

> The typical entry fee for an event of this length is in the $35-$40
> range - however, if the race is sanctioned by USA Triathlon and you are
> not an annual member (a $25 membership fee), you will be assessed an
> additional $7.00 for a one-day license.

> My question is, will this additional $7.00 fee deter you from doing the
> race, or would you just pay the fee and compete?

> Please post your responses - but also email me a copy so that I am sure
> to get everyone's input.

> Thanks,
> Darrin

by **John Ki** » Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:00:00

Agree with your sentiments completely.

John King

On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:11:00 -0500, "Jeff"

Quote:

>While I might be able to jump into a duathalon or triathalon and do okay,
>I'd probably just do a running only race. They're much cheaper and that's
>what I actually train for. If I did desire to enter one of these events,
>the $35-40 entry fee would deter me more than the extra 7.

>-jeff

>> I'd like to conduct a short survey that will help me, as a race
>> director. I will also forward the results to USA Triathlon for their
>> board meeting on December 9th.

>> As runners, you make an excellent group to poll because I believe that
>> most runners are capable (with minimal preparation) of hopping into a
>> short duathlon (5K run, 30K bike, 5K run or shorter) or sprint distance
>> triathlon (400 meter swim, 20K bike, 5K run) if you feel so inclined.

>> The typical entry fee for an event of this length is in the $35-$40
>> range - however, if the race is sanctioned by USA Triathlon and you are
>> not an annual member (a $25 membership fee), you will be assessed an
>> additional $7.00 for a one-day license.

>> My question is, will this additional $7.00 fee deter you from doing the
>> race, or would you just pay the fee and compete?

>> Please post your responses - but also email me a copy so that I am sure
>> to get everyone's input.

>> Thanks,
>> Darrin

by **SwStudi** » Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:00:00

Ditto with Jeff and John's comments.

David (in Hamilton Ont)

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Quote:

> Agree with your sentiments completely.

> John King

> On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:11:00 -0500, "Jeff"

> >While I might be able to jump into a duathalon or triathalon and do okay,
> >I'd probably just do a running only race. They're much cheaper and
that's
> >what I actually train for. If I did desire to enter one of these events,
> >the $35-40 entry fee would deter me more than the extra 7.

> >-jeff

> >> I'd like to conduct a short survey that will help me, as a race
> >> director. I will also forward the results to USA Triathlon for their
> >> board meeting on December 9th.

> >> As runners, you make an excellent group to poll because I believe that
> >> most runners are capable (with minimal preparation) of hopping into a
> >> short duathlon (5K run, 30K bike, 5K run or shorter) or sprint distance
> >> triathlon (400 meter swim, 20K bike, 5K run) if you feel so inclined.

> >> The typical entry fee for an event of this length is in the $35-$40
> >> range - however, if the race is sanctioned by USA Triathlon and you are
> >> not an annual member (a $25 membership fee), you will be assessed an
> >> additional $7.00 for a one-day license.

> >> My question is, will this additional $7.00 fee deter you from doing the
> >> race, or would you just pay the fee and compete?

> >> Please post your responses - but also email me a copy so that I am sure
> >> to get everyone's input.

> >> Thanks,
> >> Darrin

by **Todd** » Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:00:00

If I WANT to do the race, the fee won't deter me. I may resent the fee, but
it won't deter me.

If I want to compete in triathlons, I'll pay the yearly fee.

What do I get in return for my fee? A subscription to literature I don't
want? Support of athletes and an organization that I care little or nothing
about?

Be honest. It's not a fee; it's a tax.

Todd

by **Josh Steinber** » Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:15:38

I'm really tired of joining all sorts of organizations about which I know
nothing and care nothing. I had to join USATF (or something) to run the
NYC Marathon, I had to join some triathlon organization to do a couple of
those. I don't desperately miss the few extra dollars, and I'm probably
supporting good organizations that stand for supporting athletic endeavors
of many fellow runners and athletes. But if I wanted to join USATF, I'd
send them a check directly now.

I prefer no extra fees for "joining" vague distant organizations. That's
my two cents (or seven dollars in some cases).

-- Josh Steinberg, Syracuse

Quote:

> I'd like to conduct a short survey that will help me, as a race
> director. I will also forward the results to USA Triathlon for their
> board meeting on December 9th.

> As runners, you make an excellent group to poll because I believe that
> most runners are capable (with minimal preparation) of hopping into a
> short duathlon (5K run, 30K bike, 5K run or shorter) or sprint distance
> triathlon (400 meter swim, 20K bike, 5K run) if you feel so inclined.

> The typical entry fee for an event of this length is in the $35-$40
> range - however, if the race is sanctioned by USA Triathlon and you are
> not an annual member (a $25 membership fee), you will be assessed an
> additional $7.00 for a one-day license.

> My question is, will this additional $7.00 fee deter you from doing the
> race, or would you just pay the fee and compete?

> Please post your responses - but also email me a copy so that I am sure
> to get everyone's input.

> Thanks,
> Darrin

by **JustM** » Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:23:08

The runners I know are notoriously cheap....but
If I were to pay the $7 and decided I liked the event and wanted to do
another, would the $7 be credited towards a yearly membership?

Quote:

> I'd like to conduct a short survey that will help me, as a race
> director. I will also forward the results to USA Triathlon for their
> board meeting on December 9th.

> As runners, you make an excellent group to poll because I believe that
> most runners are capable (with minimal preparation) of hopping into a
> short duathlon (5K run, 30K bike, 5K run or shorter) or sprint distance
> triathlon (400 meter swim, 20K bike, 5K run) if you feel so inclined.

> The typical entry fee for an event of this length is in the $35-$40
> range - however, if the race is sanctioned by USA Triathlon and you are
> not an annual member (a $25 membership fee), you will be assessed an
> additional $7.00 for a one-day license.

> My question is, will this additional $7.00 fee deter you from doing the
> race, or would you just pay the fee and compete?

> Please post your responses - but also email me a copy so that I am sure
> to get everyone's input.

> Thanks,
> Darrin

by **BarryN** » Wed, 22 Nov 2000 04:00:00

Ditto this. This is, perhaps, 4 times the price of a running only event.
It's a lot to pay just for the novelty of a triathlon. If I was seriously
interested in doing a triathlon though I don't think the price would put me
off.

--
Regards, Barry
Running & Stuff: http://homepages.go.com/~barry841

Quote:

> While I might be able to jump into a duathalon or triathalon and do okay,
> I'd probably just do a running only race. They're much cheaper and that's
> what I actually train for. If I did desire to enter one of these events,
> the $35-40 entry fee would deter me more than the extra 7.

> -jeff

> > I'd like to conduct a short survey that will help me, as a race
> > director. I will also forward the results to USA Triathlon for their
> > board meeting on December 9th.

> > As runners, you make an excellent group to poll because I believe that
> > most runners are capable (with minimal preparation) of hopping into a
> > short duathlon (5K run, 30K bike, 5K run or shorter) or sprint distance
> > triathlon (400 meter swim, 20K bike, 5K run) if you feel so inclined.

> > The typical entry fee for an event of this length is in the $35-$40
> > range - however, if the race is sanctioned by USA Triathlon and you are
> > not an annual member (a $25 membership fee), you will be assessed an
> > additional $7.00 for a one-day license.

> > My question is, will this additional $7.00 fee deter you from doing the
> > race, or would you just pay the fee and compete?

> > Please post your responses - but also email me a copy so that I am sure
> > to get everyone's input.

> > Thanks,
> > Darrin

by **RacingUndergroun** » Wed, 22 Nov 2000 04:00:00

The reason I posted this question is to determine the effect that USA
Triathlon's $7 one-day fee for non-members will have on my races... and
on bringing newcomers into the sport.

I realize there are many running purists in this newsgroup, who will
never stray from running-only races, but for the most part, new tri and
duathletes come from a running background. Also, many runners like to
try something new once in a while.

My goal, as a race director, is to create events that will not strain the
pocketbook. I organize a 3-race duathlon series in Colorado and our
pre-registration fee is just $25 per race (compared with local 5K's which
typically have a $20 pre-registration fee in our area and other duathlons
of similar length which are going for $45 and up).

USA Triathlon has decided to increase it's one-day fee for non-members to
$7 in 2001 and I am trying to assess whether it is worth it to sanction
my events. This $7 fee is for "Insurance".

Our duathlon series is composed of shorter races that are very
user-friendly for first-time athletes. We also offer a 6 month training
program for just $50 which includes a training log and coached workouts
for new duathletes.

I am not too thrilled about the prospect of adding $7.00 onto my entry
fees, as it defeats the whole purpose of trying to keep our entry fees
low - so I am petitioning USAT to repeal the fee increase. In the
meantime, I am trying to determine the effect the $7 fee will have on
participation from non-members (70% of my entries in 2000).

So I guess, to revise my question...

If you have decided you'd like to try a multisport race (in this case,
one of my duathlons) and you discover that there will be an additional $7
fee attached - would you still do the race, or would you decide the extra
$7 was not worth it?

-Darrin
http://www.racingunderground.com

by **BarryN** » Thu, 23 Nov 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> USA Triathlon has decided to increase it's one-day fee for non-members to
> $7 in 2001 and I am trying to assess whether it is worth it to sanction
> my events. This $7 fee is for "Insurance".

Is that like "protection money" :-)

Quote:

> So I guess, to revise my question...

> If you have decided you'd like to try a multisport race (in this case,
> one of my duathlons) and you discover that there will be an additional $7
> fee attached - would you still do the race, or would you decide the extra
> $7 was not worth it?

Put it this way. If I saw there was a local duo/triathlon I might consider
having a go at it... but if I saw the entry fee was $37 I'd probably
reconsider. That's the sort of money I'd only pay for a race I really wanted
to do and might spend 3+ months training specifically for. It's not an
amount I'd pay to do something just because it might be interesting.

To illustrate the cost factor, consider that at a recent race here in the
Netherlands the race organisers allowed free entry for those who entered
over the internet and saw an increase of 6,000 participants over the
previous year (about a 60% increase).

by **Robert Grumbi** » Thu, 23 Nov 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>If you have decided you'd like to try a multisport race (in this case,
>one of my duathlons) and you discover that there will be an additional $7
>fee attached - would you still do the race, or would you decide the extra
>$7 was not worth it?

I suppose this question is on the wrong end. By the time I had
already trained for a race and allowed for a $35 entry fee, the additional
$7 would probably not change my decision from months before to do the
race.

On the other hand, the base fee being $35 and then a surcharge of $7
would be sufficient to keep me from training towards the race in the
first place.

I did just send in $42 for a 50km race. But there, it is a progression
out of other races, including the 10 that I'm running this year on my
$20 club membership, and a number of others in the $5-$25 range. I
started with the inexpensive ones in running as well. If there aren't
any inexpensive races for du and tri, well, I can still bike and swim
on my own without need for a race.

--
Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links.
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

by **Chazze** » Thu, 23 Nov 2000 04:00:00

I *** and moan about current race fees as they are... Seems like I am
seeing more and more $20 road races, even with early registration rates.
Race 15 times a year, and it adds up.

If I was interested enough to train for a tri, I would likely belong to USA
Tri in the first place... So the extra $7 on top of a $35-40 fee would most
certainly be a turn-off if I was just casually "trying a tri."

Quote:

> I'd like to conduct a short survey that will help me, as a race
> director. I will also forward the results to USA Triathlon for their
> board meeting on December 9th.

> As runners, you make an excellent group to poll because I believe that
> most runners are capable (with minimal preparation) of hopping into a
> short duathlon (5K run, 30K bike, 5K run or shorter) or sprint distance
> triathlon (400 meter swim, 20K bike, 5K run) if you feel so inclined.

> The typical entry fee for an event of this length is in the $35-$40
> range - however, if the race is sanctioned by USA Triathlon and you are
> not an annual member (a $25 membership fee), you will be assessed an
> additional $7.00 for a one-day license.

> My question is, will this additional $7.00 fee deter you from doing the
> race, or would you just pay the fee and compete?

> Please post your responses - but also email me a copy so that I am sure
> to get everyone's input.

> Thanks,
> Darrin

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